Englewood NJ Doesn't Want Gadhafi Staying In It!

[BrazenMuse]

Is it rude of me not to want this man staying in my home town? I'm really not thrilled with this at all. Neither are my friends who work for the city, from police to fire to sanitation, they aren't thrilled. I'm gonna stay on my side of the tracks if this guy gets to stay here...

Place already startin' to crawl with all kinds of feds...

From NY Times page:

NJ Town Wishes to Make No Room for Gadhafi

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 8:21 p.m. ET
ENGLEWOOD, N.J. (AP) -- Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi will set foot on U.S. soil for the first time next month when he comes to address the U.N. General Assembly. Now he wants to put down stakes in the middle of American suburbia.

Plans to set up a tent and allow him to stay at a Libyan-owned estate in this upscale community 12 miles north of Manhattan, were attacked Monday by neighborhood residents and public officials, particularly after the hero's welcome extended by Libya last week to the lone man convicted in the 1988 bombing of Pan American Flight 103.

The attack over Lockerbie, Scotland, thought to be the work of Libyan intelligence, killed all 259 people on board the flight, including 33 from New Jersey. Abdel Baset al-Megrahi was freed from a life sentence in a Scottish jail and returned to Libya on compassionate grounds because he is dying of cancer.

''Gadhafi is a dangerous dictator whose hands are covered with the blood of Americans and our allies,'' said U.S. Rep. Steve Rothman, whose district includes Englewood. He promised there would be ''hell to pay'' if the U.S. State Department violates a long-standing deal barring the dictator from staying at the Libyan estate.

State department officials said no decision had been made on the issue.

Rothman was mayor of Englewood 26 years ago when the city learned the Libyan Mission to the United Nations had purchased the Palisade Avenue estate. He said local officials worked out a deal with the U.S. State Department limiting its use to the recreational activities by the ambassador and his family. The Libyans don't pay taxes on the estate, he said.

Rest of the article:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009...glewood&st=cse

edit: paragraph breaks...

[DaveR]

Is it rude of me not to want this man staying in my home town? ...

No, it's not rude of you at all

What is rude of you, as an educator that constantly complains about your students' work, is to post an article w/o paragraph breaks & shit

[BrazenMuse]

No, it's not rude of you at all

What is rude of you, as an educator that constantly complains about your students' work, is to post an article w/o paragraph breaks & shit

and u know...i was laughing as I just dropped it in there and wondering when you'd surface to comment on it...knew you would!
Aiight...I'll put in a break or two because I love you.

[DaveR]

and u know...i was laughing as I just dropped it in there and wondering when you'd surface to comment on it...knew you would!
Aiight...I'll put in a break or two because I love you.

I love you too Honey Bunny

[mhd]

rude, ignorant, xenophobic, fear mongering, etc, for starters

[BrazenMuse]

rude, ignorant, xenophobic, fear mongering, etc, for starters

you forgot selfish.

[mhd]

you forgot selfish.

that was pretty self-evident, and sad

[MarkK]

rude, ignorant, xenophobic, fear mongering, etc, for starters

Are there any scumbags you won't embrace?

[Moksha]

rude, ignorant, xenophobic, fear mongering, etc, for starters

co-sign

Gadhafi is a bigger victim of US propoganda than even Castro.

[Moksha]

Are there any scumbags you won't embrace?

What... you think Blair, Chirac or any of America's other allies have any less blood on their hands?

[Mike Barnes]

Brazenmuse, What were your feelings when Khalid Muhummad, Was resting in Englewood,New Jersey, During the early to mid 90's/LOL, Brazenmuse, I hear Bill Willoughby Is working for the NBA these days, Bill Willoughby is a Special advisor for for NBA, In regards to Bill Willoughby working with highschool basketball players, Who are considering,

Going to play Pro basketball, Overseas, Brazenmuse, Wasn't SugarHill records in Englewood,New Jersey(Until the arson, Well, fire, A few years ago, By persons un-known/LOL).

Much respect
Mike Barnes

[MarkK]

co-sign

Gadhafi is a bigger victim of US propoganda than even Castro.

Dude, you hilarious.

[Elbert Phillips]

co-sign

Gadhafi is a bigger victim of US propoganda than even Castro.

Today's "warlords" are almost always tomorrow's terrorists when they do something that the republic doesn't appreciate.

[SIPA46]

it's funny.. they will accept his oil

[MarkK]

Today's "warlords" are almost always tomorrow's terrorists when they do something that the republic doesn't appreciate.

How many IRA gunmen were trained and supplied by Libya?

[BrazenMuse]

Sorry for long delay...mhd, I'd like to cop to selfish...in an odd sort of way...I have too many friends on the police force here who would have had to cope with this and I pay taxes here but didn't hear a peep about who was going to foot the enormous security bill for this.

Meanwhile:

let's see why Brazen agrees with the folks in Englewood:

1. The estate is across the street from a grade 6-12 school.
2. The guards on the estate will purportedly be carrying AK-47s - but whatever they are carrying, it's too close to a school.
3. The estate is on a major commuter thoroughfare and it is very difficult to map alternative routes since they are already congested too. The street in question has a bottleneck right at the corner by this estate.
4. The town would incur an incredible cost in terms of securing the area for/from protesters and the big Q himself.
5. The estate is next door to a family with children...in close proximity.
6. It's not an area that can easily be secured.
7. The other contiguous property is a yeshiva...with children all over the place.


...and, in my mind, that is all before even beginning to kvetch about Libya's politics or our own shenanigans regarding Libya.

It looks like the stay in Englewood will not happen.

In an interview, Mr. Rothman said Colonel Qaddafi and his delegation had decided instead to stay in New York City. He said he spoke to a top lobbyist for the Libyan government on Friday afternoon “who informed me that a final decision had been made to the effect that Muammar el-Qaddafi would be confining his stay to Manhattan.” It was unclear precisely where the Libyans intend to stay, he said.

Working with the State Department and the White House, Mr. Rothman — a former mayor of Englewood — pushed for Colonel Qaddafi to be restricted to Manhattan.



He pointed out that when the Libyan government bought the Englewood estate in 1982, it signed an agreement limiting its use to the Libyan ambassador to the United Nations and his or her family.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/ny...qaddafi&st=cse

...and so, I am relieved...

[alvin]

TREATY AT TRIPOLI
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/bar1796t.asp

ARTICLE 9.
The commerce between the United States and Tripoli,-the protection to be given to merchants, masters of vessels and seamen,- the reciprocal right of establishing consuls in each country, and the privileges, immunities and jurisdictions to be enjoyed by such consuls, are declared to be on the same footing with those of the most favoured nations respectively.

Gadhafi is just taking advantage of terms mentioned in the Treaty of Peace and Friendship...he has the right to establish a counsul in the U.S...

and for those who don't pay attention...

The Libyans don't pay taxes on the estate under the deal, current Englewood Mayor Michael Wildes said.

no taxes???

ARTICLE 10.

The money and presents demanded by the Bey of Tripoli as a full and satisfactory consideration on his part and on the part of his subjects for this treaty of perpetual peace and friendship are acknowledged to have been recieved by him previous to his signing the same, according to a reciept which is hereto annexed, except such part as is promised on the part of the United States to be delivered and paid by them on the arrival of their Consul in Tripoly, of which part a note is likewise hereto annexed. And no presence of any periodical tribute or farther payment is ever to be made by either party.

Parties named in this treaty are exempt from tribute(ie. taxes)

[Murf]

-----message to alvin not worth it-------

[BrazenMuse]

-----message to alvin not worth it-------

...the consulate is in New York.

[kaaos]

co-sign

Gadhafi is a bigger victim of US propoganda than even Castro.

neither of the 2 are angels

[mhd]

Sorry for long delay...mhd, I'd like to cop to selfish...in an odd sort of way...I have too many friends on the police force here who would have had to cope with this and I pay taxes here but didn't hear a peep about who was going to foot the enormous security bill for this.

Meanwhile:

let's see why Brazen agrees with the folks in Englewood:

1. The estate is across the street from a grade 6-12 school.
2. The guards on the estate will purportedly be carrying AK-47s - but whatever they are carrying, it's too close to a school.
3. The estate is on a major commuter thoroughfare and it is very difficult to map alternative routes since they are already congested too. The street in question has a bottleneck right at the corner by this estate.
4. The town would incur an incredible cost in terms of securing the area for/from protesters and the big Q himself.
5. The estate is next door to a family with children...in close proximity.
6. It's not an area that can easily be secured.
7. The other contiguous property is a yeshiva...with children all over the place.


...and, in my mind, that is all before even beginning to kvetch about Libya's politics or our own shenanigans regarding Libya.

It looks like the stay in Englewood will not happen.





http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/ny...qaddafi&st=cse

...and so, I am relieved...

jeez, this is beyond lame, why don't you just say that you prefer war and terrorism because peace is inconvenient

[MarkK]

Why can't he stay at the Waldorf Astoria like every other diplomat?

[the crackhouse]

I really feel for you Brazen, but you also have to considerate the progress in diplomacy that Gadhafi's visit represents.
He's provoking any country he visit, France was the last one, but he's as "blocked" as his hosts.
He's the leader of a Nation, so the World has to deal with it. And it's a UN General Assembly, we sure don't want to see all the Nations leaving or miss that opportunity.

Idance

[Leslie]

jeez, this is beyond lame, why don't you just say that you prefer war and terrorism because peace is inconvenient

Fucking invite his ass to stay with you then.

[Chris Conrad]

yet the communities of bergen county nj have no problem with the heavy duty tax bases of the wealthy jewish, middle eastern, armenian, 'hip hop gold coast' etc communities. bergen county is a vile place full of hypocrisy, racism and the worst attitudes on the east coast. i spent too much time in and around there at various points in my life. you all can have it.