Afro-Mexicans

**Joey Valens** · 10-21-2009, 05:06 PM

http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/1...of-costa-chica

http://www.isteve.com/2002_Where_Did..._Blacks_Go.htm

**Dal-Tex** · 10-21-2009, 05:45 PM

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**Dal-Tex** · 10-21-2009, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Joey Valens

http://www.isteve.com/2002_Where_Did..._Blacks_Go.htm

Where Did Mexico's Blacks Go?

I'm guessing NY. Only kidding.

**bigshawn** · 10-21-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dal-Tex

Where Did Mexico's Blacks Go?

I'm guessing NY. Only kidding.

Hahahaha!!!!!

**jcapeverde** · 10-21-2009, 07:28 PM

Did you ever read this series Joey? Sex and Race by J.A. Rogers. A very interesting and good read.

**the 18th letter** · 10-22-2009, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by jcapeverde

Did you ever read this series Joey? Sex and Race by J.A. Rogers. A very interesting and good read.

I'm a check this out. I went to school with a girl who LOOKED african american but was hispanic. Some of the shit she told me that was said and done to her as a child JUST because of her complexion was crazy. It seemed that her family was QUITE prejudiced against dark skinned hispanics.

**El Mayimbe** · 10-21-2009, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Dal-Tex

Where Did Mexico's Blacks Go?

I'm guessing NY. Only kidding.

ina nutshell, on any coastal area within Latin America there will be a large amount of people of african descent. there werent that many in mexico to begin with because there wasnt such strong demand for slaves as in other countries

cue in Alvin in 3....2....1....

**mhd** · 10-21-2009, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by El Mayimbe

ina nutshell, on any coastal area within Latin America there will be a large amount of people of african descent. there werent that many in mexico to begin with because there wasnt such strong demand for slaves as in other countries

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confined to the coastal areas?

**El Mayimbe** · 10-21-2009, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by mhd

confined to the coastal areas?

nothing was even remotely suggested about "confinement"

i know youre scrutinizing my replies to this topic with a bottle of lubriderm just waiting for some slip up. chill son, i love this topic

something that always gets me cracking up with Alvin (sorry to bring him up but its someone were all familair with) and other afrocentrists that aim for explaining the diaspora leave out is LINGUISTICS.

Anyone taking spanish immediately recognizes the fact that each country and its regions speak a certain style and its strongly goes parallel with the racial makeup/mixture of the areas.

ie. ask any Puerto Rican what he/she would call the bottom fo the rice when serving food and they'll say: PEGAO (stuck) Dominicans call it "CON CON" (pronounced from the nasal region such as "kOOng kOOng")

th word "Con Con" is directly linked to some west african tribes to mean "food for the dogs". The whole island of Haiti (the original name of "Hispanola") had, along with Cuba, the most African slaves imported within that region. The lexicon and syntax of the spanish there posses strong African characteristics that even Puerto Ricans wont display as much because basically PR was an island of mostly individual small farm owners hence the need for African Slaves werent that necessary and it reflects upon their racial makeup + style of spanish.

**mhd** · 10-21-2009, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by El Mayimbe

nothing was even remotely suggested about "confinement"

i know youre scrutinizing my replies to this topic with a bottle of lubriderm just waiting for some slip up. chill son, i love this topic

something that always gets me cracking up with Alvin (sorry to bring him up but its someone were all familair with) and other afrocentrists that aim for explaining the diaspora leave out is LINGUISTICS.

Anyone taking spanish immediately recognizes the fact that each country and its regions speak a certain style and its strongly goes parallel with the racial makeup/mixture of the areas.

ie. ask any Puerto Rican what he/she would call the bottom fo the rice when serving food and they'll say: PEGAO (stuck) Dominicans call it "CON CON" (pronounced from the nasal region such as "kOOng kOOng")

th word "Con Con" is directly linked to some west african tribes to mean "food for the dogs". The whole island of Haiti (the original name of "Hispanola") had, along with Cuba, the most African slaves imported within that region. The lexicon and syntax of the spanish there posses strong African characteristics that even Puerto Ricans wont display as much because basically PR was an island of mostly individual small farm owners hence the need for African Slaves werent that necessary and it reflects upon their racial makeup + style of spanish.

calm down, its just a question, on an interesting topic, a logical one, you said found, i'm asking is that the only place? certainly that applies to bahia, but jamaica and guyana, i believe, slaves were forced inland during uprisings and revolts in their battles for freedom, and since you brought it up, lubriderm with shea is the bomb

**12th house** · 10-22-2009, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by El Mayimbe

something that always gets me cracking up with Alvin (sorry to bring him up but its someone were all familair with) and other afrocentrists that aim for explaining the diaspora leave out is LINGUISTICS.

Anyone taking spanish immediately recognizes the fact that each country and its regions speak a certain style and its strongly goes parallel with the racial makeup/mixture of the areas.

ie. ask any Puerto Rican what he/she would call the bottom fo the rice when serving food and they'll say: PEGAO (stuck) Dominicans call it "CON CON" (pronounced from the nasal region such as "kOOng kOOng")

th word "Con Con" is directly linked to some west african tribes to mean "food for the dogs"....

and in peru, it's concolon (accent on the last "o"). not only is linguistics a key to the ethnic/phenotypical/cultural make up of a region, but FOOD can give a lot of insight into the historical development of a country/region/people.

for instance, in peru, the cuisine is a mixture of african, japanese, chinese, and indigenous, and is considered it's "own" cuisine, complete with techniques, flavors, and dishes, just like french, italian, japanese, etc. (as compared to the generic "latin" offered in the US which is the chicken stew/rice & beans/plantains that is actually more related to a Caribbean Latin American aka PR/DR style of eating).

If we're talking linguistics, it's also interesting to see how words that enter the lexicon can be regional dialectical interpretations of another word, e.g. pegao is the typical island pronunciation dropping the "d" sound because the word is actually "pegado." (past tense, stuck)

gonna have to check out those links posted early in the thread, was just getting my chime on about what frankie said...

**kaaos** · 10-21-2009, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by mhd

confined to the coastal areas?

the further central and north you go the lighter the shade gets. but with more and more migration to hte north in mexico its no as noticible as before.

there is no denying african influence in mexico but its not as much as it is in othe latin countries. just by the music alone there is very little african (if any) influence in the Ranchera, Nortena,& Banda the main music in mexico. it has more of a european flavor than african.

**bigshawn** · 10-21-2009, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by El Mayimbe

ina nutshell, on any coastal area within Latin America there will be a large amount of people of african descent. there werent that many in mexico to begin with because there wasnt such strong demand for slaves as in other countries

cue in Alvin in 3....2....1....

Due you want me to chime in on this?

**LEONARD REMIX RROY** · 10-21-2009, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by bigshawn

Due you want me to chime in on this?

get your chime on!

**bigshawn** · 10-21-2009, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY

get your chime on!

Hahahaha!!!!

**El Mayimbe** · 10-21-2009, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by bigshawn

Due you want me to chime in on this?

go right ahead...i gotta step out so you wont get a proper reply for a while though

**LEONARD REMIX RROY** · 10-21-2009, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Dal-Tex

Where Did Mexico's Blacks Go?

Blaxico, Tx perhaps?

**Dal-Tex** · 10-22-2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY

Blaxico, Tx perhaps?

**Rufus P. Funk** · 10-22-2009, 06:23 PM

LOL @ Escapade footage!

My paternal great-great grandfather was from Saltillo, Mexico and married a black female slave here in Texas. Here I am a product of that union all these years later.

Coastal populace seems to make the most sense, seeing as how from days of yore that's where we were brought to.

**alvin** · 10-23-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Rufus P. Funk

LOL @ Escapade footage!

My paternal great-great grandfather was from Saltillo, Mexico and married a black female slave here in Texas. Here I am a product of that union all these years later.

Coastal populace seems to make the most sense, seeing as how from days of yore that's where we were brought to.

Where does "black" end and "Indian" begin....and vice versa???

Racial mixing was so common in Mexico that it became hard to tell by skin color who was free and who was slave. King Phillip complained that young Black Indians committed crimes and then dressed as Indians so that could "hide out with their mother's relatives and cannot be found."

-BLACK INDIANS by William Loren Katz(1986)

**LEONARD REMIX RROY** · 10-22-2009, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dal-Tex

Uhh, it was a joke...thanks Rufus P. Funk for posting something factual for me to read.

**Dal-Tex** · 10-22-2009, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rufus P. Funk

LOL @ Escapade footage!

My paternal great-great grandfather was from Saltillo, Mexico and married a black female slave here in Texas. Here I am a product of that union all these years later.

Coastal populace seems to make the most sense, seeing as how from days of yore that's where we were brought to.

It makes sense there would be Afircan-Mexican American's in Tejas. Of course Texas is also the home of Tejano music = Texas + Mexican music.

Originally Posted by LEONARD REMIX RROY

Uhh, it was a joke..

LRROY Trippn'.

Originally Posted by mhd

on a somewhat related note, did you know that the guy who is probably most responsible for the america's space program was a nazi? werner von braum built rockets for hitler but was brought to america to help our missle development and our space program, he was crucial because the soviets were beating us, needless to say, jews were and are still outraged, because not only was von braun a nazi, he was in the dreaded SS. my point? you don't have to like the source of important information to recognize its value

How did Wernher von Braun get into this conversation? I'm actually a fan of Wernher von Braun. I don't see him as a bad person like Dr. Josef Mengele, The Angel Of Death. Wernher von Braun was more of an opportunist interested in rocketry and space exploration. Donald Rumsfeld knew Wernher von Braun believe it or not when he was a Congressman of Illinois.