Chavez: U.S. used Haiti to test evironmental weapon

[jimmymack-2000]

+1 to everything in this thread.

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

+1 to everything in this thread.

Wait...so now you hate golf too?

[martino]

I just don't think manipulating the environment necessary is in this case. Since when does the "west" need to fake a disaster to go in to a poor country to exploit shit?


Didn't manipulate shit to go into Grenada. (Tho they certainly tested the fuck out of some experimental weapons in Panama - according to the doc The Panama Deception at least).

[bomb cola]

I want to get this straight, some people in this thread think it's possible that the US can (with near pinpoint accuracy as to location) cause an earthquake at will.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!

Who needs nukes now? We can just make the urf shake.

[bomb cola]

I believe the language of the resolution is stated as such:

Earthquakes aren't part of the weather, Einstein.

[bomb cola]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/

Feb 3, 2009 06:05 PM in Environment | 17 comments
Great China earthquake may have been man-made

By Jordan Lite

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Was last year's devastating China earthquake, which killed 80,000 people and left more than 5 million homeless, really just a tragic natural event? Speculation is growing that the magnitude-7.9 quake may have actually been triggered by the tremendous water weight behind a nearby dam.

Scientists in China and the U.S. say that water behind the Zipingpu Dam, just 3.4 miles (5.5 kilometers) from the epicenter of the May 12 quake in Sichuan in southern China, may have weakened the fault that ruptured, the British Telegraph reports today.

It's "very likely" that the construction and filling of the reservoir in 2004 led to the quake, Fan Xiao, chief engineer of the Sichuan Geology and Mineral Bureau in Chengdu, told the newspaper.

Two dam-related factors may have sparked the earthquake: Water from the dam that lubricated — and weakened — the Beichuan fault line, and a dramatic decline in water levels between December 2007 and last May, according to a paper published in December in a Chinese journal, Geology and Seismology. Science reported on that research last month, and also noted a talk by Christian Klose, a Columbia University geophysical hazards researcher, who told the annual American Geophysical Union meeting in December that several hundred million tons of water would have put "25 times" the stress of natural tectonic movements on the fault line.

Klose did not answer his phone at Columbia and did not immediately respond to an email this afternoon. In October, Klose wrote on his blog that "a major question is whether this earthquake might have been triggered by these mass changes" in water accumulation near the epicenter. "But, scientific evidence for such a statement is needed! Some questions need to be answered: How much water was impounded, where and when? Did resulting stress changes alter stresses deep in the Earth's crust? Were stress alterations significantly large enough? Where was the highest seismic energy release — close to the reservoir?"

There is precedent for dam-related quakes, Science notes. A magnitude-6.3 quake in India in 1967 that killed 200 people was caused by impoundment behind the country's Koyna Dam. The Chinese government, however, has insisted that its construction projects have nothing to do with the quake, the Telegraph reports.

There's a big difference between possiblly, inadvertently causing a quake, and purposeful, pinpoint causality. This article doesn't mean shit.

[Bill Blake]

your credibility is destroyed with each pavlovian defense of the village idiot alvin

Ooooooh damn.

[Prince HiFi]

I want to get this straight, some people in this thread think it's possible that the US can (with near pinpoint accuracy as to location) cause an earthquake at will.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!

Who needs nukes now? We can just make the urf shake.

Just to be clear, Chavez is not one of the people who talks like this (see post#2) despite the appeal of the erroneous story to the corporate media (and Alvin). Pat Buchanan on the other hand does engage in crazy talk, but he'll continue to get regular talking head gigs on corporate stations.

[mhd]

Ooooooh damn.

too smart for cuneiform

[alvin]

His boy Hal Turner is in Federal lockup so Chavez was next on the "credible reference" list

Unfortunately Hal is in federal lockup awaiting trial for threatening to kill federal judges

Nice way to slide this dude into the discussion... but anywhoo...

... are maintatining that the U.S. government is in no way attempting to CHANGE OR CONTROL, BY ARTIFICIAL METHODS THE NATURAL DEVELOPMENT OF ATMOSPHERIC CLOUD FORMS OR PRECIPITATION FORMS WHICH OCCUR IN THE OZONE, BOTH PURPOSEFUL AND INADVERTENT...???



http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:h2995:

SEC. 2. PURPOSE.

It is the purpose of this Act to develop and implement a comprehensive and coordinated national weather modification policy and a national cooperative Federal and State program of weather modification research and development.

(4) WEATHER MODIFICATION- The term `weather modification' means changing or controlling, or attempting to change or control, by artificial methods the natural development of atmospheric cloud forms or precipitation forms which occur in the troposphere.

SEC. 5. DUTIES OF THE BOARD.

(2) assessments and evaluations of the efficacy of weather modification, both purposeful (including cloud-seeding operations) and inadvertent (including downwind effects and anthropogenic effects).

I'm sure Chavez may be privy to more detailed information than is included in this resolution...

[alvin]

PATENTS OF NIKOLA TESLA
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/tesla.htm

(pat. no.)
June 17, 1896 Apparatus for Producing Ozone #568,177 489

[DeesKo]

... are maintatining that the U.S. government is in no way attempting to CHANGE OR CONTROL, BY ARTIFICIAL METHODS THE NATURAL DEVELOPMENT OF ATMOSPHERIC CLOUD FORMS OR PRECIPITATION FORMS WHICH OCCUR IN THE OZONE, BOTH PURPOSEFUL AND INADVERTENT...???


I'm sure Chavez may be privy to more detailed information than is included in this resolution...

Apparently you & Chavez missed the part where we all realized clouds are up and earthquakes are down.

[alvin]

1976 Convention on the Prohibition of Military or any Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques(ENMOD)

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=...bOFSkGrbQQPBfA

As examples, the Understandings also include a non-exhaustive list of phenomena that could result from the use of environmental modification techniques: earthquakes and tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds,precipitation, cyclones and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns;changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer andchanges in the state of the ionosphere

OWNING THE WEATHER BY 2025
http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

In the broadest sense, weather-modification can be divided into two major categories: suppression and intensification of weather patterns. In extreme cases, it might involve the creation of completely new weather patterns, attenuation or control of severe storms, or even alteration of global climate on a far-reaching and/or
long-lasting scale.

US Law - Weather Modification: Experimenting
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12896975/U...-Experimenting

Evidence from the environment and from independent researchers and analysts suggest that this type of weather control is already being exercised as – in effect – a weapon of mass destruction. Public disclosure occurred at an April 1997 counter-terrorism conference.

Secretary of Defense William Cohen stated: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves. So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations and it's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts." (Ref.)

[alvin]

I guess Chavez has been paying attention and taking notes at the U.N. meetings...

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques
http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm

Recognizing, however, that military or any other hostile use of such techniques could have effects extremely harmful to human welfare,

Desiring to prohibit effectively military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques in order to eliminate the dangers to mankind from such use, and affirming their willingness to work towards the achievement of this objective,

http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multil...leID=1291&l=en

Noting with satisfaction the opening for signature of the Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques, annexed to the resolution,


Bearing in mind ' the extremely harmful effects of environmental modification techniques, if used for military or any other hostile purpose,

the defense rests...

[alvin]

I mean, it goes to the heart of what alvin and the rest of you guys do here, but I'm wondering if you're all latter day Leibnizs or just trying to tell us how much you hate your fathers or something.

say it slowly:

Weather Machine.

Hell, thats the shit that made me stop watching General Hospital - LOL

Apparently you & Chavez missed the part where we all realized clouds are up and earthquakes are down.

Earthquakes aren't part of the weather, Einstein.

I want to get this straight, some people in this thread think it's possible that the US can (with near pinpoint accuracy as to location) cause an earthquake at will.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!!

Who needs nukes now? We can just make the urf shake.

[Bill Blake]

if i was a moose, i would be highly offended right about now...

Ha a ha ha ha ha ga ga ha

[Bill Blake]

I mean why not just send in alvin to run covert ops?

No white girls there.

[the crackhouse]

?

Idance

[travy]

keep laughing, bitches. disney is on this shit and where is disney? florida. where is haiti? beneath florida.



i want to believe

[bomb cola]

I guess Chavez has been paying attention and taking notes at the U.N. meetings...

Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of Environmental Modification Techniques
http://www.un-documents.net/enmod.htm



http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multil...leID=1291&l=en






the defense rests...

Earthquakes aren't "weather". You're resting on a pile of nonsense (as per usual).

[alvin]

Earthquakes aren't "weather". You're resting on a pile of nonsense (as per usual).

I guess by visiting all those "wacko alien" websites has skewered basic logic and reasoning...

or perhaps its because of the hole in the ozone layer...

http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/57JR8J/$File/1976_ENMOD.pdf

The ENMOD Convention:
prohibiting use of the environment
as a means of warfare
The ENMOD Convention is
specifically intended to prevent use of
the environment as a means of
warfare, by prohibiting the deliberate
manipulation of natural processes that
could produce phenomena such as
hurricanes, tidal waves or changes in
climate.

As examples, the Understandings
also include a non-exhaustive list of
phenomena that could result from the
use of environmental modification
techniques: earthquakes and
tsunamis; an upset in the ecological
balance of a region; changes in
weather patterns (clouds,
precipitation, cyclones and tornadic
storms); changes in climate patterns;
changes in ocean currents; changes
in the state of the ozone layer and
changes in the state of the
ionosphere.

[alvin]

http://www.icrc.org/IHL.NSF/FULL/460?OpenDocument

ARTICLE II

As used in article I, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing - through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes - the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.

Understanding relating to article II

It is the understanding of the Committee that the following examples are illustrative of phenomena that could be caused by the use of environmental modification techniques as
defined in article II of the Convention: earthquakes; tsunamis; an upset in the ecological balance of a region; changes in weather patterns (clouds, precipitation, cyclones of various types and tornadic storms); changes in climate patterns; changes in ocean currents; changes in the state of the ozone layer; and changes in the state of the ionosphere.

It is further understood that all the phenomena listed above,
when produced by a military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techiques, would result, or could reasonably be expected to result, in widespread, long-lasting or severe destruction, damage or injury. Thus, military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques as defined in article II, so as to cause those phenomena as a means of destruction, damage or injury to another State Party, would be prohibited.

[alvin]

the defense rests...AGAIN...

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

the defense rests...AGAIN...

The defense put up a bunch of displays but never actually talked themselves. So the defense better unrest.

[alvin]

The defense put up a bunch of displays but never actually talked themselves. So the defense better unrest.

the defense presented:

Exhibit A.) News report stating that Chavez said the U.S. used Haiti to test an "environmental" weapon...

Exhibit B.) Documents confirming the fact that the international body crafted laws against the use of the "evironment" as a "weapon" by way of "earthquakes & tsunamis"...

Exhibit C.) testimony from Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson discussing the need to fund "weather modification" research....

there's not anything for me to talk about...the documentation that I presented speaks for itself...