Effects on recordings or lack of

[soundmanshorty]

Using effects.

I been listenin to old recordings closely in the last few daysm from 60s thru disco and classic house like jack your body, or dhar braxton and so on.

Its amazing whats really going on in these records with panning and effects on channels and so on, why todays music everything seem str8 up, no info panned no real effects being used to add to a song to make it more exciting and have some drama to the songs.

i was listening to a old M jackson record and they patched the instrument to the reverb had it panned hard rt but you didnt hear the actual instrument just the effect of the reverb on the rt side, you heard the notes reverbed like the musician was in the next room playin. Or a guitar mixed very low playing lazy behind the recording a bit paned on the left side.

With dhar braxton or Jack your body you heard the boom kick break down reverbed to make it bigger then life on a dancefloor. The break of jump back you hear the reverb on the drums come in heavy and is the climax of the song, the part she sings jump , jump jump jump,that reverb is heavy on them drums and is when everyone looses it.

Why dont guys ref old records like this to add these elements and make these great records today bigger sounding, everything seems 1 dimensional in a box without any depth, barely panning info, and a 8 bar drum program from beg to end with no punches or drum arrangements.

its amazing what was goin on in these mixes from back in the day compared to what is going on or lack of going on in the music today.

I think these records would be even better then they are if these engineer tricks were implimented in the mixes

[bkny11203]

That's cuz they don't care. They are too busy trying to get that shit out the door to turn a profit. Link this to the thread about the record company crying broke thread.

[LarsLB]

that's why a lot of music is a lot less dynamic than it could be.

sound spacing and placing ..
use a pan as an effect but even better, as a tremendous help to make room for all the stuff you try to cram into your mix ..

I love details like that and surely miss them
everything is center, full on and just loud :(

that's just one of the reason's why I tell people to spend more than 45mins on a track .. even if it's 'just' a track ..
lb.

[Cratebug]

I forgot who said this to me a few years back but they said, "...it's not complicated man, it's basically simple music for simple minds..."

This is after I remarked how most music today does not do a lick for me and why is so much of what is out there right now that is popular and mainstream, such garbage?

Personally, everything I rework today gets some kind of effect added....and it's because I came up from that school of listening.

[soundmanshorty]

I forgot who said this to me a few years back but they said, "...it's not complicated man, it's basically simple music for simple minds..."

This is after I remarked how most music today does not do a lick for me and why is so much of what is out there right now that is popular and mainstream, such garbage?

Personally, everything I rework today gets some kind of effect added....and it's because I came up from that school of listening.

this is why most music is over looked, unmemorable and dont stand out, cause its like evrything else, once in a while u have a tune that stands out or is classic,

[vic]

That's cuz they don't care. They are too busy trying to get that shit out the door to turn a profit. Link this to the thread about the record company crying broke thread.

The not caring thing is a possibility for some, but I also think that quite a few probably
just dont know any better; especially if cats are doing this stuff on their pcs, and dont
have any training, professional or otherwise.

Im not a producer or anything like that, but here is something that Im looking at
getting to tackle some of the funky sounding files I have:

http://www.mathewlane.com/DrMS.html

[soundmanshorty]

The not caring thing is a possibility for some, but I also think that quite a few probably
just dont know any better; especially if cats are doing this stuff on their pcs, and dont
have any training, professional or otherwise.

Im not a producer or anything like that, but here is something that Im looking at
getting to tackle some of the funky sounding files I have:

http://www.mathewlane.com/DrMS.html

but all they gotta do is really listen to a mix by a REAL engineer produced by a REAL producer with a REAL artist and you will learn fast,

[vic]

but all they gotta do is really listen to a mix by a REAL engineer produced by a REAL producer with a REAL artist and you will learn fast,

That implies they are not listening. I beleive they do listen, but, there is some disconnect
between what the pros are doing and what they are doing. And the simply do not realize
that there is more work that needs to be done to correct whatever problems there may be
with the finished product.

[Nege]

The not caring thing is a possibility for some, but I also think that quite a few probably
just dont know any better; especially if cats are doing this stuff on their pcs, and dont
have any training, professional or otherwise.


http://www.mathewlane.com/DrMS.html

i agree with you
its all upbringing.........a lot of younger porducer never learned on harware...have no idea of what its like to have an actuall board at your fingers so they don;t know.........
Effects are a must especially when youa re using a " less is more " formula.....

[soundmanshorty]

That implies they are not listening. I beleive they do listen, but, there is some disconnect
between what the pros are doing and what they are doing. And the simply do not realize
that there is more work that needs to be done to correct whatever problems there may be
with the finished product.

not that hard, you listen to song you like say Bros Johnson Stomp. forget listening to the words and that, but you listen to the effects on the vocals, rhythm guitar how its panned the level of the guitars or snare, or symbols or bass player, what the reverb and delay is doing, what instruments are panned low in mix level for ear candy and so on to see how it was done and you do this with a few songs that were well produced.

Even list to Pink floyd songs listen how they worked effects and what instruments were in the track and how they were mixed to learn, listen to how the inst are equed and so on. Most guys that mixed stuff learned from listening and studying other records and implied it in there mix, but they used there ears and payed very close attention to a mix and used what they heard in there mixes of these great records from the past

[FK]

...but they used there ears and payed very close attention to a mix ...

Speaking of paying very close attention....

Just made me think, can one also use 'yonder ears' when mixing with very, very long delays?

(Attempts at finding appropriate LOLCat for this have failed)

[bkny11203]

The not caring thing is a possibility for some, but I also think that quite a few probably
just dont know any better; especially if cats are doing this stuff on their pcs, and dont
have any training, professional or otherwise.

Im not a producer or anything like that, but here is something that Im looking at
getting to tackle some of the funky sounding files I have:

http://www.mathewlane.com/DrMS.html

You are correct with that bro. With the instant home studios on PC's, the sweet science of production, engineering, & mastering was never passed down.

[travy]

Speaking of paying very close attention....

Just made me think, can one also use 'yonder ears' when mixing with very, very long delays?

(Attempts at finding appropriate LOLCat for this have failed)

1st page!

[travy]

i can haz pun to?

[travy]

last one!

[MarkK]

You can never have too many LOL cats Travy.

[vic]

not that hard, you listen to song you like say Bros Johnson Stomp. forget listening to the words and that, but you listen to the effects on the vocals, rhythm guitar how its panned the level of the guitars or snare, or symbols or bass player, what the reverb and delay is doing, what instruments are panned low in mix level for ear candy and so on to see how it was done and you do this with a few songs that were well produced.

Even list to Pink floyd songs listen how they worked effects and what instruments were in the track and how they were mixed to learn, listen to how the inst are equed and so on. Most guys that mixed stuff learned from listening and studying other records and implied it in there mix, but they used there ears and payed very close attention to a mix and used what they heard in there mixes of these great records from the past

Think about this. During pink floyd and BJ's heyday, they had a major system in place that allowed for several things to be accomplished by several different people, and of course costing many many dollars. Fast foward a few years to the undergound scene in chi town and some other places. The folks comin up them wanted to present music as well, but they didnt have the major system to do as many things as in the past. They had their drum machines, their synths, their freinds or others with professional background in certain areas, and they did their thing. Were their efforts as polished as those that preceded them? Not really. In fact, one could say the sound coming from these new labels were horrid in terms of the sound quality many had come to expect and were used to. But it was raw, it was new, and for cats like me coming up in that time, it was exciting to know there were guys out there in my age bracket, doing things that I never thought could be possible within in the confines of what I was familiar with.

And yet, with each passing generation, it seems that lil secrets/ essential tasks get lost along the way, because the older guard never stepped to the young cats and said, "Hey, sounding good, but try this and see what you think." And on the other end of the field, the younger cats never stpped to teh older guard and said, "Hey, I just put this together. Tell me what you think or show me what I can do to make it better'".

Without some srt of communication between the old school and the new, things will continue to missed.

[Nege]

And yet, with each passing generation, it seems that lil secrets/ essential tasks get lost along the way, because the older guard never stepped to the young cats and said, "Hey, sounding good, but try this and see what you think." And on the other end of the field, the younger cats never stpped to teh older guard and said, "Hey, I just put this together. Tell me what you think or show me what I can do to make it better'".

Without some srt of communication between the old school and the new, things will continue to missed.

er most younger cats these days get all offended when people give them advice..............