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    They call us the "Ugly Americans"...

    Because hubris ain't no part of pretty. These folks are a straight up trip.



    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/10/wo...prisoners.html

    February 10, 2010
    Americans Jailed in Haiti Plead for Help From U.S.

    By IAN URBINA
    PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti — The 10 Americans detained on kidnapping charges are pleading for the United States government to do more on their behalf and for the news media to focus on them less.
    “Help us,” one of the detainees, Carla Thompson, said Monday as she lay on a bed in a scorching Port-au-Prince jail cell of about 8 feet by 5 feet, her ankles bandaged from infected mosquito bites. “That’s the message I would give to Mr. Obama and the State Department. Start helping us.”
    Sitting on a dirty concrete floor in the cell, another detainee, Corinna Lankford, nodded in agreement, a frustrated look on her face. “I have faith in God,” Ms. Lankford said. “But maybe the U.S. government could help a little more, too.”
    “No one is giving us any kind of information about what is going on,” she added.
    The detainees, most of them affiliated with Baptist churches in Meridian and Twin Falls, Idaho, arrived in the chaotic days after the Jan. 12 earthquake. They were detained as they tried to take 33 Haitian children whom the Baptists said had been orphaned into the neighboring Dominican Republic.
    Some of the children later said they had parents, and Haitian prosecutors have charged the Americans with kidnapping and criminal association. The Americans have said they were on a charity mission.
    Asked whether they believed their case had become a distraction to the quake disaster, several of the prisoners became upset.
    “Yes, without a doubt,” said Ms. Thompson as she suddenly started to cry.
    “We came here to help, and now there is all this attention on us,” Ms. Lankford chimed in as she, too, began to cry.
    The investigating judge, Bernard Saint-Vil, questioned the prisoners on Monday and Tuesday and planned to hear from them as a group on Wednesday.
    “I want to hear what they thought they were doing,” he said. “I hope to hear from the parents of the younger ones.”
    On Monday, Prime Minister Jean-Max Bellerive told The Associated Press that his country would consider having the Americans transferred and tried in a United States court, since most government buildings in Haiti — including the country’s courts — had been severely damaged in the earthquake.
    Mr. Bellerive has suggested the country would not oppose a trial of the Americans in a United States court because of the severe damage to Haiti’s own government buildings, including the courts. American officials have said they intend to let the Haitian justice system take its course. Judge Saint-Vil has said he intends to investigate the case fully.
    For Laura Silsby, the leader of the group of Americans, that process began on Monday.
    Sitting on a brown tattered couch in Mr. Saint-Vil’s office, she waited to discuss her fate. A Bible lay on her lap, and her hands shook. “I’m nervous,” said Ms. Silsby, 40, furtively glancing at the judge.
    In an interview before the judge questioned her, Ms. Silsby said she, too, was frustrated with the level of American government involvement.
    “It has mostly been missionaries, not the government, that has been providing us with food and medicine,” she said, adding that one of the prisoners, Charisa Coulter, 24, who is diabetic, was lacking insulin for the first week of her detention. On Sunday, a missionary was allowed to deliver medicine to her.
    The Americans said that they were being treated well by guards and other prisoners. They said they were passing the time reading the Bible, napping, praying and snacking on sugared cereal and potato chips provided to them by missionaries.
    They also said that they took the children in good faith.
    “We were told by officials at the border that we could go back the next day and get the remaining papers,” said Silas Daniel Thompson, 19, as he stood in his cell surrounded by Haitian men.
    Ms. Silsby said she was going to do that on behalf of the group, he said, “but then they arrested us before we got the chance.”
    Listening attentively from the adjacent cell, Nicole Lankford, 18, the daughter of Corinna Lankford, began shaking her head.
    “Our point was to draw attention to the plight of Haitian orphans,” she said. “We came here to help, not to become the story.”
    On Tuesday, Reginald Brown, an American lawyer for Jim Allen, one of the detainees, wrote to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, asking her to personally get involved in the case. Mr. Allen is a construction worker from Texas who said he was in Haiti to rebuild orphanages.
    “We think it is clear that the unprecedented situation that exists in Haiti now requires a response beyond what would be expected in the ordinary course,” read the letter, which was released by Mr. Brown’s office.
    Also on Tuesday, Haitian officials allowed Louis Gary Lissade, a former justice minister in Haiti who is also representing Mr. Allen, to bring a satellite phone into the jail so Mr. Allen could call his wife, Lisa, who was in Dallas, and assure her that he was all right. He said that he was not getting much information about his case, but was optimistic that he would be released as soon as the facts were known.
    “I love you, I miss you, we’ll be O.K.,” he was heard telling her. “Don’t worry.”



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    I dont even know what to think about this one.

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    They are getting fed, they are not being beaten. What's their problem?

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    The things that struck me the most were that they were so clueless to what the state department can do:
    CRIMINAL PENALTIES: While in a foreign country, a U.S. citizen is subject to that country's laws and regulations, which sometimes differ significantly from those in the United States and may not afford the protections available to the individual under U.S. law. Penalties for breaking the law can be more severe than in the United States for similar offences. Persons violating Haiti's laws, even unknowingly, may be expelled, arrested or imprisoned. Penalties for possession, use, or trafficking in illegal drugs in Haiti are severe, and convicted offenders can expect long jail sentences and heavy fines. The judicial process in Haiti can be extremely slow; progress is often dependent on considerations not related to the specific case. Detainees may wait months or years for their cases to be heard before a judge or to have legal decisions acted upon by the authorities. Bond is not usually available to those arrested for serious crimes with the result that often suspects remain in custody for many months before formal indictment. Engaging in sexual conduct with children or using or disseminating child pornography in a foreign country is a crime, prosecutable in the United States. [Please see our information on Criminal Penalties.]
    http://www.travel.state.gov/travel/c.../cis_1134.html (emphasis added)

    The other thing that blew me away was how young some of the people Silsby took with her were-- 18 and 19 year olds?????? The whole Silsby thing is so crazy that I would totally not be shocked if the campaign to garner sympathy soon reveals her to be suffering from bipolar disorder or some other mental illness. There is no way a sane person made this string of bad decisions.
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    Associated Press Laura Silsby has been held in a Haitian prison since January after she and others attempted to remove children from the country for adoption.
    From out of the ordered suburbs of Idaho to the grim chaos of Haiti came 40-year-old Laura Silsby — fleeing creditors who had foreclosed on her home and ex-employees stiffed of their wages.

    To the Caribbean she went with nine other self-appointed missionaries and an audacious plan: they would “gather 100 orphans from the streets,” of the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, according to an outline on the Web site of Silsby’s group, New Life Children’s Refuge.

    The children would be whisked across the border into the Dominican Republic. Food, shelter, legal permits: the basics would be worked out by divine blueprint. For now, they needed funds — tax deductible!

    What’s more, there would soon be “opportunities for adoption,” the group mentioned, “for loving Christian parents who would otherwise not be able to afford to adopt.”

    Silsby and her live-in nanny, Charisa Coulter, are still in a Haitian jail, where they have denied charges of child kidnapping. A judge there has agreed to release the two this week, but the case shows once again how easy it is to manipulate people in the name of an all-loving God.

    Related
    Room for Debate: Haiti’s Children and the Adoption Question, Feb. 1, 2010
    Room for Debate: Celebrity Adoptions and the Real World, May 10, 2009
    “Kidnapping for Jesus” is what many, including outraged Idahoans, have called it in reader response to newspaper stories about the missionaries. Silsby says it’s all a misunderstanding, and her intentions were good.

    At the least, the curious case of Laura Silsby raises questions about cultural imperialism: what makes a scofflaw from nearly all-white Idaho with no experience in adoption or rescue services think she has a right to bring religion and relief to a country with its own cultural, racial and spiritual heritage?

    Imagine if a voodoo minister from Haiti had shown up in Boise after an earthquake, looking for children in poor neighborhoods and offering “opportunities for adoption” back to Haiti. He could say, as those who followed Silsby explained on a Web site, that “the unsaved world needs to hear” from the saved.

    Who says they are “unsaved?” And who says the world needs to hear from them? Haiti is a predominantly Roman Catholic country, and a nation full of passionate believers at that.

    As it turns out, there was no orphanage for the Silsby children, just plans, many, many plans. And some of the young Haitians were not even orphans. As to what qualified Laura Silsby to jump into international relief work with a side of adoption services, well, she had once run something called Personal Shopper. And she was a charismatic Christian, with a golden tongue.

    So, despite the fact that she’d been subject to numerous civil lawsuits for unpaid wage claims, and had a history of flouting the law, she could convince fellow Baptists to follow her to Haiti after the devastating earthquake last month. Under the banner of heaven, they would try to help “each child find healing, hope, joy and new life in Christ.”

    Eight of the 10 missionaries have since been released and have returned home, after some said they had been duped by Silsby.

    Of course, no one moved by genuine concern should ever be discouraged from acting. And in Haiti, we’ve seen some of the best impulses of the human heart at work in life-saving triage.

    Still, the damage by zealous amateurs has been done to legitimate adoption services, and to relief agencies with long and noble histories of helping the desperate, the poor, the unloved. Blame it on the missionary impulse, a lingering personality disorder of Western culture.

    Most Native American tribes have three basic stories: a creation myth, a trail of tears out of the homeland and indignities suffered at the hands of Christian missionaries.

    Some of the worst damage was done, the tribes will tell you, long after the Indian wars were over, when missionaries moved in. They broke up families, shipping children off to boarding schools where they were shorn of their language, their hair and their culture. They banned tribal customs like the potlatch — where Indians compete to give away gifts — and spirit rituals that had been passed on for centuries.

    Edward Curtis, the photographer of American Indians, was so happy to find native people in the far north of Alaska whose lives had not been overturned by outside do-gooders that he wrote, “should any misguided missionary start for this island I trust the sea will do its duty.”

    The British Empire, struggling with its “White Man’s Burden,” in the memorable phrase of Rudyard Kipling, at times tried to keep missionaries out of its colonies. Violent rebellions in India, among other places, were spawned by fear of having an outside religion forced on people.

    As the African saying put it: “First they had the Bible and we had the land; now we have the Bible and they have the land.” Of course, there are more Anglicans by far in Africa now than in England, so in a sense the missionaries got both the land and the Bible.

    But again, suppose an animist from Africa tried to wash Christian vernacular from the mouth of an Anglican in London? It would be an outrage.

    The missionaries say they have found the Word, the Truth, and feel compelled to spread it. Indeed, Paul Thompson, one of the Idaho pastors who followed Silsby to Haiti, expressed these feelings in his pastoral newsletter just before the earthquake.

    “War is declared!” he quoted a 19th century British missionary approvingly. “In God’s Holy Name let us arise and build!”

    But the Silsby case calls for a different type of refrain: Missionary, heal thyself.

    Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrazenMuse View Post
    Associated Press Laura Silsby has been held in a Haitian prison since January after she and others attempted to remove children from the country for adoption.
    From out of the ordered suburbs of Idaho to the grim chaos of Haiti came 40-year-old Laura Silsby — fleeing creditors who had foreclosed on her home and ex-employees stiffed of their wages.

    To the Caribbean she went with nine other self-appointed missionaries and an audacious plan: they would “gather 100 orphans from the streets,” of the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, according to an outline on the Web site of Silsby’s group, New Life Children’s Refuge.

    The children would be whisked across the border into the Dominican Republic. Food, shelter, legal permits: the basics would be worked out by divine blueprint. For now, they needed funds — tax deductible!

    What’s more, there would soon be “opportunities for adoption,” the group mentioned, “for loving Christian parents who would otherwise not be able to afford to adopt.”

    Silsby and her live-in nanny, Charisa Coulter, are still in a Haitian jail, where they have denied charges of child kidnapping. A judge there has agreed to release the two this week, but the case shows once again how easy it is to manipulate people in the name of an all-loving God.

    Related
    Room for Debate: Haiti’s Children and the Adoption Question, Feb. 1, 2010
    Room for Debate: Celebrity Adoptions and the Real World, May 10, 2009
    “Kidnapping for Jesus” is what many, including outraged Idahoans, have called it in reader response to newspaper stories about the missionaries. Silsby says it’s all a misunderstanding, and her intentions were good.

    At the least, the curious case of Laura Silsby raises questions about cultural imperialism: what makes a scofflaw from nearly all-white Idaho with no experience in adoption or rescue services think she has a right to bring religion and relief to a country with its own cultural, racial and spiritual heritage?

    Imagine if a voodoo minister from Haiti had shown up in Boise after an earthquake, looking for children in poor neighborhoods and offering “opportunities for adoption” back to Haiti. He could say, as those who followed Silsby explained on a Web site, that “the unsaved world needs to hear” from the saved.

    Who says they are “unsaved?” And who says the world needs to hear from them? Haiti is a predominantly Roman Catholic country, and a nation full of passionate believers at that.

    As it turns out, there was no orphanage for the Silsby children, just plans, many, many plans. And some of the young Haitians were not even orphans. As to what qualified Laura Silsby to jump into international relief work with a side of adoption services, well, she had once run something called Personal Shopper. And she was a charismatic Christian, with a golden tongue.

    So, despite the fact that she’d been subject to numerous civil lawsuits for unpaid wage claims, and had a history of flouting the law, she could convince fellow Baptists to follow her to Haiti after the devastating earthquake last month. Under the banner of heaven, they would try to help “each child find healing, hope, joy and new life in Christ.”

    Eight of the 10 missionaries have since been released and have returned home, after some said they had been duped by Silsby.

    Of course, no one moved by genuine concern should ever be discouraged from acting. And in Haiti, we’ve seen some of the best impulses of the human heart at work in life-saving triage.

    Still, the damage by zealous amateurs has been done to legitimate adoption services, and to relief agencies with long and noble histories of helping the desperate, the poor, the unloved. Blame it on the missionary impulse, a lingering personality disorder of Western culture.

    Most Native American tribes have three basic stories: a creation myth, a trail of tears out of the homeland and indignities suffered at the hands of Christian missionaries.

    Some of the worst damage was done, the tribes will tell you, long after the Indian wars were over, when missionaries moved in. They broke up families, shipping children off to boarding schools where they were shorn of their language, their hair and their culture. They banned tribal customs like the potlatch — where Indians compete to give away gifts — and spirit rituals that had been passed on for centuries.

    Edward Curtis, the photographer of American Indians, was so happy to find native people in the far north of Alaska whose lives had not been overturned by outside do-gooders that he wrote, “should any misguided missionary start for this island I trust the sea will do its duty.”

    The British Empire, struggling with its “White Man’s Burden,” in the memorable phrase of Rudyard Kipling, at times tried to keep missionaries out of its colonies. Violent rebellions in India, among other places, were spawned by fear of having an outside religion forced on people.

    As the African saying put it: “First they had the Bible and we had the land; now we have the Bible and they have the land.” Of course, there are more Anglicans by far in Africa now than in England, so in a sense the missionaries got both the land and the Bible.

    But again, suppose an animist from Africa tried to wash Christian vernacular from the mouth of an Anglican in London? It would be an outrage.

    The missionaries say they have found the Word, the Truth, and feel compelled to spread it. Indeed, Paul Thompson, one of the Idaho pastors who followed Silsby to Haiti, expressed these feelings in his pastoral newsletter just before the earthquake.

    “War is declared!” he quoted a 19th century British missionary approvingly. “In God’s Holy Name let us arise and build!”

    But the Silsby case calls for a different type of refrain: Missionary, heal thyself.

    Copyright 2010 The New York Times Company

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    A summary of colonialist missionary work in the new world in the past five centuries. This is what it boils down to, to this day. Right now I am in a region of the world teeming with all manner of western do-gooder christians - yesterday I did a 180 km road trip though the Nyanza and Nzoia hinterland, I spotted around a dozen of them in small village hotelis, in new age churches, in coffee shops, holding poolside meetings, inappropriately dressed, dishevelled, armed with Macbooks. I hate that crowd. To me they are gunrunners. I have told my opposition friends back in Nairobi that we will not be independent until we shun the donor tit this country is suckling on.

    In the North we have no clue about the true depth and implications of so-called humanitarian aid, and what it means for societies in the developing world. B/C we do not give a damn. It is all self interest.

    The sad thing about this instance in the aftermath of the Haiti earthquake is that these people will not be brought to justice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngeso View Post
    A summary of colonialist missionary work in the new world in the past five centuries. This is what it boils down to, to this day. Right now I am in a region of the world teeming with all manner of western do-gooder christians - yesterday I did a 180 km road trip though the Nyanza and Nzoia hinterland, I spotted around a dozen of them in small village hotelis, in new age churches, in coffee shops, holding poolside meetings, inappropriately dressed, dishevelled, armed with Macbooks. I hate that crowd. To me they are gunrunners. I have told my opposition friends back in Nairobi that we will not be independent until we shun the donor tit this country is suckling on.

    In the North we have no clue about the true depth and implications of so-called humanitarian aid, and what it means for societies in the developing world. B/C we do not give a damn. It is all self interest.

    The sad thing about this instance in the aftermath of the Haiti earthquake is that these people will not be brought to justice.

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    Eloquently put. And Humanitarian Aid always comes at a price...the "beneficiaries" aren't supposed to notice or mind, or so it seems. But I want to ask: you compare them to gunrunners because? I know what I think, but I'd rather have the truth of your thinking than the assumptions built into mine.
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