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    "The History of White People": What it means to be white

    How bad science and American culture shaped a racial identity -- and why America can't stop obsessing over it

    In 2000, the Human Genome Project finally answered one of the most fundamental questions about race: What, if anything, is the genetic difference between people of different skin colors -- black, white, Hispanic, Asian? The answer: nearly nothing. As it turns out, we all share 99.99 percent of the same genetic code -- no matter our race -- a fact that, geneticist J. Craig Venter claimed, proves that race is a "social concept, not a scientific one."

    But as Nell Irvin Painter explains in "The History of White People," her exhaustive and fascinating new look at the history of the idea of the white race, it's a social construct that goes back much further and is much more complicated than many people think. In the book, Painter, a professor of American history at Princeton, chronicles the evolution of the concept of whiteness from ancient Rome -- where, she points out, the slaves were largely white -- to the 21st century America and explains how, in the era of Obama, our once-narrow concept of whiteness has become at once far broader and less important than ever before.

    The elevation of some ethnic groups -- Germans and Scandinavians -- as "whiter" than others can largely be tied to a small number of scientists who shared an obsession with both measuring people's skulls and pinpointing the world's "most beautiful" people. As Painter writes, a number of social and demographic upheavals (which she dubs "enlargements of whiteness") over the last two centuries have gradually thrown many of those assumptions into question.

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    Salon spoke to Painter over the phone, about the meaning of "Caucasian," America's obsession with racial difference, and the real meaning of Stuff White People Like.
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    Science and history are social concepts too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj-chefron View Post
    ...in the era of Obama, our once-narrow concept of whiteness has become at once far broader and less important than ever before...

    What?

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    Deez nuts are a social concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngeso View Post
    What?

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    That's science, yo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Blake View Post
    That's science, yo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Island Head View Post
    Link dont work
    Try this one.
    http://www.salon.com/books/nonfictio..._irvin_painter
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    Quote Originally Posted by ngeso View Post
    What?

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    According to the author

    How do you think the election of Barack Obama plays into this?

    Whenever you tinker with one part of the equation, it affects the rest of it. I think to the extent that we realize that Obama has a white mother and a white family, this alerted us to the existence of people with parents from different backgrounds. People have been migrating and fornicating forever, so there's no such thing as a pure person, and I think Obama's background just puts that front and center in our attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj-chefron View Post
    According to the author
    I'd love to see her "equation."

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj-chefron View Post
    According to the author:

    How do you think the election of Barack Obama plays into this?

    Whenever you tinker with one part of the equation, it affects the rest of it. I think to the extent that we realize that Obama has a white mother and a white family, this alerted us to the existence of people with parents from different backgrounds. People have been migrating and fornicating forever, so there's no such thing as a pure person, and I think Obama's background just puts that front and center in our attention.

    An this expanded notions of whiteness or blackness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngeso View Post
    An this expanded notions of whiteness or blackness?

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    impurity actually...she's gotta a dirty mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj-chefron View Post
    How bad science and American culture shaped a racial identity -- and why America can't stop obsessing over it

    In 2000, the Human Genome Project finally answered one of the most fundamental questions about race: What, if anything, is the genetic difference between people of different skin colors -- black, white, Hispanic, Asian? The answer: nearly nothing. As it turns out, we all share 99.99 percent of the same genetic code -- no matter our race -- a fact that, geneticist J. Craig Venter claimed, proves that race is a "social concept, not a scientific one."

    But as Nell Irvin Painter explains in "The History of White People," her exhaustive and fascinating new look at the history of the idea of the white race, it's a social construct that goes back much further and is much more complicated than many people think. In the book, Painter, a professor of American history at Princeton, chronicles the evolution of the concept of whiteness from ancient Rome -- where, she points out, the slaves were largely white -- to the 21st century America and explains how, in the era of Obama, our once-narrow concept of whiteness has become at once far broader and less important than ever before.

    The elevation of some ethnic groups -- Germans and Scandinavians -- as "whiter" than others can largely be tied to a small number of scientists who shared an obsession with both measuring people's skulls and pinpointing the world's "most beautiful" people. As Painter writes, a number of social and demographic upheavals (which she dubs "enlargements of whiteness") over the last two centuries have gradually thrown many of those assumptions into question.

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    Salon spoke to Painter over the phone, about the meaning of "Caucasian," America's obsession with racial difference, and the real meaning of Stuff White People Like.
    Read the interview here
    http://www.salon.com/books/nonfiction/index.htm...
    Or simply race a social concept (I say religion) created by So called "white" people to facilitate the practice of racism/white Supremacy globally. White people have the power to create and ENFORCE belief in the race system upon the psyche of all non whites. Quite simply the concept of race is RACIST. What does it mean to be white? It means you have the ability and sanction to dominate and mistreat all non whites worldwide. White people know this ,I believe non whites are confused about this. For the most part, I believe whites like to keep it that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhodey View Post
    Or simply race a social concept (I say religion) created by So called "white" people to facilitate the practice of racism/white Supremacy globally. White people have the power to create and ENFORCE belief in the race system upon the psyche of all non whites. Quite simply the concept of raced is RACIST. What does it mean to be white? It means you have the ability and sanction to dominate and mistreat all non whites worldwide. White people know this ,I believe non whites are confused about this. For the most part, I believe whites like to keep it that way.



    What a load of crap.

    People with power (and not necessarily white ones, either) use that power to create and enforce belief systems against unempowered people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the author
    Whenever you tinker with one part of the equation, it affects the rest of it. I think to the extent that we realize that Obama has a white mother and a white family, this alerted us to the existence of people with parents from different backgrounds. People have been migrating and fornicating forever, so there's no such thing as a pure person, and I think Obama's background just puts that front and center in our attention.

    I think this very well may be the most simple-minded thing I've read in recent memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhodey View Post
    Or simply race a social concept (I say religion) created by So called "white" people to facilitate the practice of racism/white Supremacy globally. White people have the power to create and ENFORCE belief in the race system upon the psyche of all non whites. Quite simply the concept of raced is RACIST. What does it mean to be white? It means you have the ability and sanction to dominate and mistreat all non whites worldwide. White people know this ,I believe non whites are confused about this. For the most part, I believe whites like to keep it that way.

    oops, I stand corrected.
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    I love white people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Island Head View Post
    I love white women
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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Island Head View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhodey View Post
    Or simply race a social concept (I say religion) created by So called "white" people to facilitate the practice of racism/white Supremacy globally. White people have the power to create and ENFORCE belief in the race system upon the psyche of all non whites. Quite simply the concept of raced is RACIST. What does it mean to be white? It means you have the ability and sanction to dominate and mistreat all non whites worldwide. White people know this ,I believe non whites are confused about this. For the most part, I believe whites like to keep it that way.
    You are totally right. But even if you think you got the overall idea, there are actions that we (white supremacists) do, that you will never know.

    You don't have a plan, and no one is gonna end our game. Don't think you know all the sides of our story, cause your story isn't real, this is just a part of our domination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the crackhouse View Post
    You are totally right. But even if you think you got the overall idea, there are actions that we (white supremacists) do, that you will never know.

    You don't have a plan, and no one is gonna end our game. Don't think you know all the sides of our story, cause your story isn't real, this is just a part of our domination.

    When you did a node, you can always leave slack but you still have the power to strangle your toy.

    Idance

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    Quote Originally Posted by dj-chefron View Post
    How bad science and American culture shaped a racial identity -- and why America can't stop obsessing over it

    In 2000, the Human Genome Project finally answered one of the most fundamental questions about race: What, if anything, is the genetic difference between people of different skin colors -- black, white, Hispanic, Asian? The answer: nearly nothing. As it turns out, we all share 99.99 percent of the same genetic code -- no matter our race -- a fact that, geneticist J. Craig Venter claimed, proves that race is a "social concept, not a scientific one."

    But as Nell Irvin Painter explains in "The History of White People," her exhaustive and fascinating new look at the history of the idea of the white race, it's a social construct that goes back much further and is much more complicated than many people think. In the book, Painter, a professor of American history at Princeton, chronicles the evolution of the concept of whiteness from ancient Rome -- where, she points out, the slaves were largely white -- to the 21st century America and explains how, in the era of Obama, our once-narrow concept of whiteness has become at once far broader and less important than ever before.

    The elevation of some ethnic groups -- Germans and Scandinavians -- as "whiter" than others can largely be tied to a small number of scientists who shared an obsession with both measuring people's skulls and pinpointing the world's "most beautiful" people. As Painter writes, a number of social and demographic upheavals (which she dubs "enlargements of whiteness") over the last two centuries have gradually thrown many of those assumptions into question.

    Continue reading
    Salon spoke to Painter over the phone, about the meaning of "Caucasian," America's obsession with racial difference, and the real meaning of Stuff White People Like.
    Read the interview here
    http://www.salon.com/books/nonfiction/index.htm...
    Ohhhhhhhhh so your saying there is no polygenealogy and racial identity was invented wow. You have got to be joking no one would ever do that and now I am going to take a few minutes to be indignant privately. Will be back soon.

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    fuckin crackie

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    Ok this guy Robert Jensen helped me to calm down,you know calming down totaly out of character.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5539692

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    Did you see that Rhodey?

    Only white guys can laugh to my words.

    One is a caucasian, the other is Austrian.

    They pull the strings.

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