"The History of White People": What it means to be white

[Monny JcIntosh]

Well for one, because (same as you) when she asked "are you white" she responded yes. As white person yourself, would you say that she is white? Do you think other white people would classify her as white?

Part of the problem with this thread is that there's no agreed conception of who counts as white. (By the way, that's not just a problem about the politics of race, there's a similar problem for pretty much any property you'd like to chose, outwith mathematics.)

Am I white only if I'm the same colour as a white crayon? (Am I?) Am I white only if (most?) people would say I am? Am I white only if I look similar to certain people? (Who? And in what ways similar?) Am I white only if I come from the same place as certain people? (Who? And where are they from?) Am I white only if I have certain genes? (Which ones?) Am I white only if I am part of a certain power structure? (Which power structure? Which parts?) Am I white only if I identify myself as such? (On what basis is that identification supposed to rest? One of the above? A different one?)

[ngeso]

Yes there is and you know it, it is called 'ghetto'.

And they killed Martin because he began talking about class and the war in Vietnam, he was taking the argument to a global level, it was no longer about civil rights.

Who was called a porch monkey Rod?

PWW called rhodey a porch monkey. Now he's trying to manipulate the so-called 'non-whites' of the board into rallying to his defense. No mention of white DHP folks, btw - you get to sit back and *snicker*.

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[MarkK]

PWW called rhodey a porch monkey. Now he's trying to manipulate the so-called 'non-whites' of the board into rallying to his defense. No mention of white DHP folks, btw - you get to sit back and *snicker*.

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Typical of someone who comes here with an agenda, yet fails to get to know the people and personalities involved (as in this comment from PWW is typical and part of his personality and makeup). Why would someone attack a respected and well-known member of our community, whose words were in the context of replying to a semi-troll posting?

Rod, sometimes personal relationships trump your racial constructs.

[the crackhouse]

Idance

[ngeso]

Part of the problem with this thread is that there's no agreed conception of who counts as white. (By the way, that's not just a problem about the politics of race, there's a similar problem for pretty much any property you'd like to chose, outwith mathematics.)

Am I white only if I'm the same colour as a white crayon? (Am I?) Am I white only if (most?) people would say I am? Am I white only if I look similar to certain people? (Who? And in what ways similar?) Am I white only if I come from the same place as certain people? (Who? And where are they from?) Am I white only if I have certain genes? (Which ones?) Am I white only if I am part of a certain power structure? (Which power structure? Which parts?) Am I white only if I identify myself as such? (On what basis is that identification supposed to rest? One of the above? A different one?)

Part of the problem with this thread is that people like rhodey think that politically non-white is as identifiable as white, and that we 'non-whites' are a majority that should homogenously follow a common cause against white people. While a superficial theoretical case could perhaps be made for a race-based common dialectic, realistically that commonality (by default of not being white) is simply not there.

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[BrazenMuse]

You could be correct Brazenmuse. Some however suspect that he was murdered (not died) when he told all people to love one another. When you comprise less then 10 percent of the global population , I suspect that might be an even more damning sentiment....

Now if class trumps race why is it that well to do nonwhites up to and including Tiger Woods cannot become a member of certain private country clubs right now in 2010? Are they not (class)y enough?

Why is it that Oprah Winfrey and her 2 billion dollars were not allowed to shop at an exclusive Paris shop a few years back?

Why is it that many nonwhites not of "good" appearance cant get public facing jobs all over South America and many parts of the Caribbean?


Why is it that none of the so called well traveled, good intentioned, non racist, people that post here have yet to voice one word against a DHPer being called "porch monkey"?!


.....Is it CLASS???

Who gets to decide who has class and how much class?

Why is that people use the word "white trash"

White supremacist certified (i.e. a white person wrote this) definition:

White trash is an American English pejorative term referring to individual or groups of lower social class Caucasian people that the speaker considers to lack social status. It is most frequently used as a slur to describe financially, economically or culturally disadvantaged Caucasians. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash

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(slang) an offensive term for White people who are impoverished
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

or

A poorly educated white person with low moral and social standards and low social status
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/white_trash


and yet there is no corresponding "Black trash"

hmmmmm....could this mean that ....


The trash is implied for blacks?

and that...

Trash is not normally associated with being white ?

I would suspect so Brazenmuse. But I could be wrong.I suspect that the concept of race encompasses class. The racist white supremacists intended it to be this way - I believe.That would explain why the poor white trailer trash person would never in a million years trade places with any nigga no matter how classy he (or she) appears to be.

Of course there's a black equivalent of PWT...GHETTO. So, I don't buy your construct. Also...you've begun down a slippery slope with the word "class" - socioeconomic class has a very complex relationship with standards of comportment labeled as "classy" or "having class" - please rein in your terminology or give us your working definitions before you allow all this slippage to detract from your argument.

[the crackhouse]

Part of the problem with this thread is that people like rhodey think that politically non-white is as identifiable as white, and that we 'non-whites' are a majority that should homogenously follow a common cause against white people. While a superficial theoretical case could perhaps be made for a race-based common dialectic, realistically that commonality (by default of not being white) is simply not there.

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What is killing me is that (like always) the populist speech/argumentation is easier to grab than the overview.

I don't think that people don't want to understand, it's just simpler to take a word as granted.

And if you agree with the beginning of a simplistic speech and let it go for a while, long will be the road to deconstruct all the shit that will have been built around it.

I made fun of him in another (previous) thread, cause he was already going into simplistic schemes.

I say we should avoid these kind of trolls and stop them on the first frontline.
31 pages is too long, and we could donate for other DHP options than bandwith.

I SAY WE LYNCH HIM!!!

[ngeso]

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Watch out, guys might not think that last bit funny at all...

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[the crackhouse]

Watch out, guys might not think that last bit funny at all...

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I know, it's just to continue with the "simplistic/first word/Taken for granted" post I've made earlier.

DID YOU READ THAT PEOPLE?

You know it's driving me crazy to see that intelligence will always have the last word, unless it has been beaten to death before it could end.

Idance

[MarkK]

I know, it's just to continue with the "simplistic/first word/Taken for granted" post I've made earlier.

DID YOU READ THAT PEOPLE?

You know it's driving me crazy to see that intelligence will always have the last word, unless it has been beaten to death before it could end.

Idance

Intelligence seems to get beaten to death quite often on the P these days. It needs to start a workout regime.

[Moksha]

When you comprise less then 10 percent of the global population

Source?

[DeesKo]

Am I white only if I'm the same colour as a white crayon? (Am I?) Am I white only if (most?) people would say I am? Am I white only if I look similar to certain people? (Who? And in what ways similar?) Am I white only if I come from the same place as certain people? (Who? And where are they from?) Am I white only if I have certain genes? (Which ones?) Am I white only if I am part of a certain power structure? (Which power structure? Which parts?) Am I white only if I identify myself as such? (On what basis is that identification supposed to rest? One of the above? A different one?)

Rhodey believes all of the haves = white & all of the have nots = non-white. Just ignore the vast amounts of data that prove his simplistic theory incorrect and leave him be as I doubt it will ever change. Its too core to his own working definition of his life. It would be like expecting Tony Mundaca to suddenly become ambivalent to religion.

[DeesKo]

Source?

He said he revealed his source on page 15, or was it 13, or maybe 9 or maybe on one of the other pages.

He didn't, but that's what he said.

Just like he tried to insist white did not equal skin color all the way up until he saw Kragshot's post and got all giddy and gave himself up.

[ngeso]

Rhodey believes all of the haves = white & all of the have nots = non-white.[...]

And that means all by racial association, no less. Rhodey's human hierarchy sees the most disempowered white person on the planet before any empowered non-white person, and thus in a position of perpetratorship. In his realm some stupid, unclued, small Paris shop clerk declining Oprah Winfrey service after hours must only be seen as an act of overt racism, with Winfrey a victim sans any power.

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[mhd]

And that means all by racial association, no less. Rhodey's human hierarchy sees the most disempowered white person on the planet before any empowered non-white person, and thus in a position of perpetratorship. In his realm some stupid, unclued, small Paris shop clerk declining Oprah Winfrey service after hours must only be seen as an act of overt racism, with Winfrey a victim sans any power.

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exactly...

[BrazenMuse]

And that means all by racial association, no less. Rhodey's human hierarchy sees the most disempowered white person on the planet before any empowered non-white person, and thus in a position of perpetratorship. In his realm some stupid, unclued, small Paris shop clerk declining Oprah Winfrey service after hours must only be seen as an act of overt racism, with Winfrey a victim sans any power.

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Precisely...

[Monny JcIntosh]

Rhodey believes all of the haves = white & all of the have nots = non-white. Just ignore the vast amounts of data that prove his simplistic theory incorrect and leave him be as I doubt it will ever change. Its too core to his own working definition of his life. It would be like expecting Tony Mundaca to suddenly become ambivalent to religion.

Why, by whatever criterion's in play, are, say, Turkish people white but Chinese not? Are Turkish people really among the haves and the Chinese really among the have nots? How does that work?

[Monny JcIntosh]

And that means all by racial association, no less. Rhodey's human hierarchy sees the most disempowered white person on the planet before any empowered non-white person, and thus in a position of perpetratorship. In his realm some stupid, unclued, small Paris shop clerk declining Oprah Winfrey service after hours must only be seen as an act of overt racism, with Winfrey a victim sans any power.

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Well, that assumes a prior identification of "the most disempowered white person" as white. On what grounds?

[ngeso]

Why, by whatever criterion's in play, are, say, Turkish people white but Chinese not? Are Turkish people really among the haves and the Chinese really among the have nots? How does that work?

It says so in the white supremacist playbook you were issued on discharge from the maternity ward.

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[ngeso]

Oops, did I just out you?

[BrazenMuse]

It says so in the white supremacist playbook you were issued on discharge from the maternity ward.

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Oops, did I just out you?

[the crackhouse]

It says so in the white supremacist playbook you were issued on discharge from the maternity ward.

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Rule #12, page 8.

Idance

[the crackhouse]

What about the victim role (pushed to the extremes by Rhodey) where nonwhites are living an unfair, underdog life?

This is one of the major communication style of extreme right parties of Europe. "We cannot talk, "they"(?) will not let us talk, we are not free, the people in power are ruining our country, it's a conspiracy..."

Amahablablabla hamaammablabla... Jews, Masons, Immigrates.... ahmmamablamabklabla...

Always the same fucking ritournelles!

If you're some black or white POWER, so let the power be something strong! Lamers! Victims!

Idance

[rhodey]

Of course there's a black equivalent of PWT...GHETTO.

Now wait a minute hold on..

So only black people can be ghetto?

So ghetto implies black people?

How did did that happen?

How does this explain the need to prefix trash with "white"?

Here are some white supremacist certified definitions for the word ghetto:

Originally used in Venice to describe the area where Jews were compelled to live, a ghetto is now described as a "portion of a city in which members of a minority group live; especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure." [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto

ghetto (plural ghettos or ghettoes)

1. The district in a city where Jews were compelled to confine themselves.

The Jews of Venice were confined to the ghèto, in what is now the Arsenale district

2. A district where members of an ethnic, religious or cultural minority are congregated, usually voluntarily.

The Castro district of San Francisco is a gay ghetto.
Beverley Hills is the ghetto of L.A.'s glitterati.
The term Chinatown denotes a Chinese Ghetto.

3. An economically depressed urban district predominantly inhabited by members of one ethnic or religious group.

Bedford-Stuyvesant and Brownsville are often cited as African-American ghettos in New York City.

ghetto (comparative more ghetto, superlative most ghetto)

Positive

more ghetto


Superlative
most ghetto

1. of or related to a ghetto or to ghettos in general
2. (slang) (informal) of low quality; cheap; shabby

My apartment's so ghetto, the rats and cockroaches filed a complaint with the city!
I like to drive ghetto cars; if they break down you can just abandon them and pick up a new one!


en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ghetto



So tell me Brazenmuse why do you think it is that

1. Ghetto needs not descriptive prefix , like white?

2. Ghetto is associated with "(slang) (informal) of low quality; cheap; shabby"?

3. Is it a coincidence that ghetto is associated with black people?

My opinion, is that the term "ghetto" represents a non-white person.That's the reason we can't get away from. It goes wherever we go. We (non-white people) ARE the "ghetto" .Racism (white supremacy) produces a "ghetto" by producing non-white people.

When White people move into a "ghetto" and niggas get moved out.

Used to be a "ghetto", now its a "gentrified area".

How can a nonwhite double the value of their property WITHOUT doing any improvements or repairs?

Move all the non white people out of the neighborhood.

Nonwhite people don't like to admit this but they know its true.

When White people start moving into the "ghetto" niggas get nervous because they know it means they are soon going to be MOVED out.

So, I don't buy your construct. Also...you've begun down a slippery slope with the word "class" - socioeconomic class has a very complex relationship with standards of comportment labeled as "classy" or "having class" - please rein in your terminology or give us your working definitions before you allow all this slippage to detract from your argument.

Brazenmuse, this is not "My contruct". I did not construct the concept of race, the white supremacists did. It is my opinion that you DID indeed BUY that. We all did, Why? Because they SAID so.

But there is nothing complicated about it unless it's MADE to be complicated. Now all those questions I asked you , did they refer to race or class? Yes or No? Do Tiger and Oprah get denied access because of class?
Do people are not of "good" appearance get denied jobs because of class? Does a poor white trash person when superior to a black businessman in a suit because of Class?


How do you define class?

[Moksha]

white supremacist certified

...wikipedia.org

Please let us know what other websites have the WS Seal of Approval.

Don't worry, we'll wait while you go research an answer to plagiarize.