"The History of White People": What it means to be white

[Monny JcIntosh]

You see.... this is what I run into. I want to get down to the bottom of this but then you get evasive. Lets stay focused here ,Monny, are you white?

You're the one being evasive. I'm asking you who the white people are, and in response, you keep asking if I'm one of them! Suppose you ask me who the harmoniums are, and I reply by asking you if you're one of them. You'd pretty quickly come to the conclusion I was some special kind of idiot.

[ngeso]

You see.... this is what I run into. I want to get down to the bottom of this but then you get evasive. Lets stay focused here ,Monny, are you white?

Why is this information so important to you? What do you get out of it? And how is it relevant in a virtual realm like the INet?

How does an information that you may not be able to verify help you along in online interaction?


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[the crackhouse]

Rhodey,
if you were to identify the white racist/supremacists, and you were able to install YOUR system of Justice.

What would you do to the White Racist/Supremacists?

Would you judge them?

Cause if you judged them and send them in prison for example, and kill some of their leaders, they would be in a position of mistreatment and they would need help.

So you would help them, no?

Idance

[AMc]

White People think: "I've done everything right all my life, I'm a god-fearing Christian, I'm white, I'm male, I've worked hard, and I carry a gun. I do everything I'm supposed to do. And I'm getting shafted." And in fact you ARE getting shafted. For 30 years your wages have stagnated or declined, the social conditions have worsened, your children are going crazy, there are no GOOD schools, and you still broke, busted, and heavily taxed,

You must be one of those White trash folks. Thanks for letting us know how you think.

[the crackhouse]

You must be one of those White trash folks. Thanks for letting us know how you think.

Even Trash White Trash.

Idance

[rhodey]

Take from the rich, give to the poor. Take the most from the richest, give the most to the poorest. In theory an equilibrium is attained with everyone having the same power and means.

Essentially communism, no?

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I have found that many people have many different versions and definitions of what Communism is. All of those versions and definitions are very confusing to me. So I just wrote them off to be different methods of Racism (White Supremacy). So, I could be incorrect about them being methods of Racism (White Supremacy).



Can you give me your definition of what Communism is?


Can you show me how Communism has helped promote justice?

Why aren't all of the areas of the world with "non-white communists" (or even "non-white capitalists") flourishing with development and technology?

Are these countries void of mistreatment?

Why are many of the non white "communists" countries in huge debt? And who are they in debt to?

[DeesKo]

For 30 years your wages have stagnated or declined, the social conditions have worsened, your children are going crazy, there are no GOOD schools, and you still broke, busted, and heavily taxed, [/B][/U]

So...

I don't understand....

White people have all the power and they're shafting themselves on purpose?

Weren't you arguing before that white people had all the power? Now you're arguing it's not white people but corporations?

[rhodey]

You're the one being evasive. I'm asking you who the white people are,

I don't know I don't decide that, I suspect other white people do.

you keep asking if I'm one of them! Suppose you ask me who the harmoniums are, and I reply by asking you if you're one of them. You'd pretty quickly come to the conclusion I was some special kind of idiot.

So do you know if you are white, yes or no? If you don't that's ok but atleast give an answer.

[the crackhouse]

I have found that many people have many different versions and definitions of what Capitalism and Communism is. All of those versions and definitions are very confusing to me. So I just wrote them off to be different methods of Racism (White Supremacy). So, I could be incorrect about them being methods of Racism (White Supremacy).



Can you give me your definition of what Communism is?


Can you show me how Communism has helped promote justice?

Why aren't all of the areas of the world with "non-white communists" (or even "non-white capitalists") flourishing with development and technology?

Are these countries void of mistreatment?

Why are many of the non white "communists" countries in huge debt? And who are they in debt to?

How can you ask what is Communism and in the same post talk about white or nonwhite communism?

It's time to take your fingers out of your lazy ass and use Google or any dictionnary.

Idance

[the crackhouse]

So do you know if you are white, yes or no? If you don't that's ok but atleast give an answer.

Asking an answer to Monny is like asking a brief definition of the word "white".

Idance

[Monny JcIntosh]

I don't know I don't decide that, I suspect other white people do.




So do you know if you are white, yes or no? If you don't that's ok but atleast give an answer.

I've been saying all along: until you tell me what you mean by "white", I have no idea.

If you don't know what you mean by "white" what are you doing telling us who's white and who isn't? Never mind what white people are -- white supremacists?

[the crackhouse]

I've been saying all along: until you tell me what you mean by "white", I have no idea.

If you don't know what you mean by "white" what are you doing telling us who's white and who isn't? Never mind what white people are -- white supremacists?

Stop being clever!

Stay evasive you philosophister!

Idance

[ngeso]

I have found that many people have many different versions and definitions of what Communism is. All of those versions and definitions are very confusing to me. So I just wrote them off to be different methods of Racism (White Supremacy). So, I could be incorrect about them being methods of Racism (White Supremacy).



Can you give me your definition of what Communism is?


Can you show me how Communism has helped promote justice?

Why aren't all of the areas of the world with "non-white communists" (or even "non-white capitalists") flourishing with development and technology?

Are these countries void of mistreatment?

Why are many of the non white "communists" countries in huge debt? And who are they in debt to?

Well, there aren't any communist countries left, really. Save for North Korea and maybe Cuba, and even that one will come around well within our lifetimes.

IMO communism (as an ideal social structure) failed because collective intelligence could not overcome individual lack of intelligence. Or: humankind is individually(!) incapable of ultimately sustaining perfect social equilibrium.

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[Moksha]

I want to get down to the bottom of this but then you get evasive. Lets stay focused here

Source?

who's being "evasive"?

[rhodey]

Well, there aren't any communist countries left, really. Save for North Korea and maybe Cuba, and even that one will come around well within our lifetimes.

IMO communism (as an ideal social structure) failed because collective intelligence could not overcome individual lack of intelligence. Or: humankind is individually(!) incapable of ultimately sustaining perfect social equilibrium.

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Maybe but IMO that is neither here nor there until someone can show me that communism, or any other "ism" has brought about justice.

[Moksha]

All of those versions and definitions are very confusing to me. So I just wrote them off to be different methods of Racism (White Supremacy).

You can't make this shit up.

[rhodey]

I've been saying all along: until you tell me what you mean by "white", I have no idea.

Ok thanks Monny

[206REFUGEE]

So...

I don't understand....

White people have all the power and they're shafting themselves on purpose?

Weren't you arguing before that white people had all the power? Now you're arguing it's not white people but corporations?

Stop acting like a Dumb ass White Hillbilly......


Your once middle class now "working class" people BELIEVE somebody is doing something to them, and they want to know who it is. Rush Limbaugh has answered - it's the rich liberals who own the banks and run the government, and of course run the media, and they don't care about you—they just want to give everything away to illegal immigrants and gays and communists and so on.


When in reality....it is the Big Corporations...shifting jobs overseas....Banks taking property via foreclosures.....Military taking all the money from our tax dollars .....Government OVERSTREATCHED in areas around the world.....

and a RECOVERY that is not forthcoming no time soon.

So they rally around the TeaParty and BLAME OTHERS....when it is really their OWN white masters keeping the money for themselves.....

The good Ole Fashioned American Way baby....survival of the elites....

but you knew that already...you just REFUSE to believe your government and your corporations DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR "MINOR" WHITE ASS.

[ngeso]

Maybe but IMO that is neither here nor there until someone can show me that communism, or any other "ism" has brought about justice.

You said earlier, that until racism/white supremacy is replaced by a system of justice, you have a lot of work to do.

What kind of work?

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[ngeso]

Stop acting like a Dumb ass White Hillbilly......


Your once middle class now "working class" people BELIEVE somebody is doing something to them, and they want to know who it is. Rush Limbaugh has answered - it's the rich liberals who own the banks and run the government, and of course run the media, and they don't care about you—they just want to give everything away to illegal immigrants and gays and communists and so on.

Okay, this one has got to be an act.

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[Armento]

you're all being punked

[DeesKo]

Stop acting like a Dumb ass White Hillbilly......


Your once middle class now "working class" people BELIEVE somebody is doing something to them, and they want to know who it is. Rush Limbaugh has answered - it's the rich liberals who own the banks and run the government, and of course run the media, and they don't care about you—they just want to give everything away to illegal immigrants and gays and communists and so on.


When in reality....it is the Big Corporations...shifting jobs overseas....Banks taking property via foreclosures.....Military taking all the money from our tax dollars .....Government OVERSTREATCHED in areas around the world.....

and a RECOVERY that is not forthcoming no time soon.

So they rally around the TeaParty and BLAME OTHERS....when it is really their OWN white masters keeping the money for themselves.....

The good Ole Fashioned American Way baby....survival of the elites....

but you knew that already...you just REFUSE to believe your government and your corporations DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR "MINOR" WHITE ASS.

huh?

damn, that's a whole lotta words to not answer my question.

I don't dispute the impacts corporate america & it's intimate connection with our government has had on our general populace. Matter of fact, go read Confessions of an Economic Hitman, it's a good read that has some interesting insights into our foreign policy.

However, what you are promoting now kinda flies directly in the face of what you were promoting 5 or 10 pages ago.

[206REFUGEE]

huh?

damn, that's a whole lotta words to not answer my question.

I don't dispute the impacts corporate america & it's intimate connection with our government has had on our general populace. Matter of fact, go read Confessions of an Economic Hitman, it's a good read that has some interesting insights into our foreign policy.

However, what you are promoting now kinda flies directly in the face of what you were promoting 5 or 10 pages ago.

I read it

[ngeso]

you're all being punked

I'm wondering myself...

[rhodey]

Am I understanding correctly that in post #308 you first provide a number of definitions (white supremacist "certified", according to you) of the term "ghetto" to bolster your argument, and then you go ahead and discount all those white supremacist definitions that do not fit your picture?



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Its like this Ngeso, White people have the POWER to DEFINE and DECIDE and DECLARE REALITY as THEY see fit. They do this through WORDS. So a by their definition GHETTO is where niggas live and then when White people DECIDE to move niggas out then the GHETTO is transformed into a "NICE, CLEAN NEIGHBORHOOD, a TRENDY UPSCALE NEIGHBORHOOD, a MIDDLE-CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD but never in a milllion years do WHITE people live in the GHETTO. They may exist in a TOUGH, GRITTY NEIGHBORHOOD or a WORKING CLASS NEIGHBORHOOD but never, ever a GHETTO.

Now personally It helps me to think about it in terms of a "ghetto" being a person...specifically a non-white person in a SYSTEM of white supremacy (racism). Non-white people's behavior is being described as "ghettofabulous"...a glorification of unjust behavior rather than looking to always say and/or do things to reveal truth in such a manner that justice is promoted.

It appears non-white people have a lot of words or terms that describe our behavior. When a person does something that is not particularly seen as "good" the person's behavior is described as "ghetto" for example. But it appears we can't put it all together that each non-white person is the ghetto. Where ever we go we take our behavior with us...that is what white people have decided and that is the reason they move out when we move in.

We (non-white people) are the ghetto.

I could be incorrect.