You missed what?.. Teachers?Originally Posted by Timmy Mc
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You missed what?.. Teachers?
Idance
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Post 100!
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(O.-)whore when thou doth sees
(___) it, and then ignoreth its ass" - SuzanneT 1:1
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very interesting, contradicts your dogma:CORRECTION I'd only leave white coma patients in that group
See Baby Discriminate
Kids as young as 6 months judge others based on skin color. What's a parent to do?
By Po Bronson and Ashley Merryman | NEWSWEEK
Published Sep 5, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Sep 14, 2009
At the Children's Research Lab at the University of Texas, a database is kept on thousands of families in the Austin area who have volunteered to be available for scholarly research. In 2006 Birgitte Vittrup recruited from the database about a hundred families, all of whom were Caucasian with a child 5 to 7 years old.
The goal of Vittrup's study was to learn if typical children's videos with multicultural storylines have any beneficial effect on children's racial attitudes. Her first step was to give the children a Racial Attitude Measure, which asked such questions as:
How many White people are nice?
(Almost all) (A lot) (Some) (Not many) (None)
How many Black people are nice?
(Almost all) (A lot) (Some) (Not many) (None)
During the test, the descriptive adjective "nice" was replaced with more than 20 other adjectives, like "dishonest," "pretty," "curious," and "snobby."
Vittrup sent a third of the families home with multiculturally themed videos for a week, such as an episode of Sesame Street in which characters visit an African-American family's home, and an episode of Little Bill, where the entire neighborhood comes together to clean the local park.
In truth, Vittrup didn't expect that children's racial attitudes would change very much just from watching these videos. Prior research had shown that multicultural curricula in schools have far less impact than we intend them to—largely because the implicit message "We're all friends" is too vague for young children to understand that it refers to skin color.
Yet Vittrup figured explicit conversations with parents could change that. So a second group of families got the videos, and Vittrup told these parents to use them as the jumping-off point for a discussion about interracial friendship. She provided a checklist of points to make, echoing the shows' themes. "I really believed it was going to work," Vittrup recalls.
The last third were also given the checklist of topics, but no videos. These parents were to discuss racial equality on their own, every night for five nights.
At this point, something interesting happened. Five families in the last group abruptly quit the study. Two directly told Vittrup, "We don't want to have these conversations with our child. We don't want to point out skin color."
Vittrup was taken aback—these families volunteered knowing full well it was a study of children's racial attitudes. Yet once they were aware that the study required talking openly about race, they started dropping out.
t was no surprise that in a liberal city like Austin, every parent was a welcoming multiculturalist, embracing diversity. But according to Vittrup's entry surveys, hardly any of these white parents had ever talked to their children directly about race. They might have asserted vague principles—like "Everybody's equal" or "God made all of us" or "Under the skin, we're all the same"—but they'd almost never called attention to racial differences.
They wanted their children to grow up colorblind. But Vittrup's first test of the kids revealed they weren't colorblind at all. Asked how many white people are mean, these children commonly answered, "Almost none." Asked how many blacks are mean, many answered, "Some," or "A lot." Even kids who attended diverse schools answered the questions this way.
More disturbing, Vittrup also asked all the kids a very blunt question: "Do your parents like black people?" Fourteen percent said outright, "No, my parents don't like black people"; 38 percent of the kids answered, "I don't know." In this supposed race-free vacuum being created by parents, kids were left to improvise their own conclusions—many of which would be abhorrent to their parents.
Vittrup hoped the families she'd instructed to talk about race would follow through. After watching the videos, the families returned to the Children's Research Lab for retesting. To Vittrup's complete surprise, the three groups of children were statistically the same—none, as a group, had budged very much in their racial attitudes. At first glance, the study was a failure.
Combing through the parents' study diaries, Vittrup realized why. Diary after diary revealed that the parents barely mentioned the checklist items. Many just couldn't talk about race, and they quickly reverted to the vague "Everybody's equal" phrasing.
Of all those Vittrup told to talk openly about interracial friendship, only six families managed to actually do so. And, for all six, their children dramatically improved their racial attitudes in a single week. Talking about race was clearly key. Reflecting later about the study, Vittrup said, "A lot of parents came to me afterwards and admitted they just didn't know what to say to their kids, and they didn't want the wrong thing coming out of the mouth of their kids."
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The question is... How do you reach Administrator status?
Viking culture I guess.
Idance
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Wow I guess life is like grammar school
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I see you like conflict I bet your greatest conflict is when felching to use a silly straw or a bendable.
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We have a 2-Attention-Whore-per-thread limit. Please go start your own thread.
(\_/) "Recognizeth an attention
(O.-)whore when thou doth sees
(___) it, and then ignoreth its ass" - SuzanneT 1:1
"Change happens when the pain of holding on becomes greater than the fear of letting go." — Spencer Johnson
"Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music.”– Angela Monet
"There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't" -unknown
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And a one Whore mediator policy?
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If you wanted to be banned you should have just asked me.
(\_/) "Recognizeth an attention
(O.-)whore when thou doth sees
(___) it, and then ignoreth its ass" - SuzanneT 1:1
"Change happens when the pain of holding on becomes greater than the fear of letting go." — Spencer Johnson
"Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music.”– Angela Monet
"There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't" -unknown
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a new record!
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Yeah, I think you're right Mark.
(\_/) "Recognizeth an attention
(O.-)whore when thou doth sees
(___) it, and then ignoreth its ass" - SuzanneT 1:1
"Change happens when the pain of holding on becomes greater than the fear of letting go." — Spencer Johnson
"Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music.”– Angela Monet
"There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't" -unknown
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you banned that guy just because he was a little more quipped than you.
Last edited by No Nescience; 04-15-2010 at 05:53 PM.
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expanded my horizons.
Idance
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Be careful to what you say, I've been watching Sue's avatar for 9 years now.
I'm some happy man, would'nt swap it for anything... This red silhouette.
Idance
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I'll bet you are going to dis him while he can't reply aren't you.
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I turn my back for a few hours and Timmy Mc[Veigh?] got banned already? Wow.
Anyway...
I found this thing about babies interesting...most of all this bit
Soooo...in fear of the kids saying something inappropriate, parents opted out of being direct and honest. Wow. Gonna share that w my students and see what they make of it...They wanted their children to grow up colorblind. But Vittrup's first test of the kids revealed they weren't colorblind at all. Asked how many white people are mean, these children commonly answered, "Almost none." Asked how many blacks are mean, many answered, "Some," or "A lot." Even kids who attended diverse schools answered the questions this way.
More disturbing, Vittrup also asked all the kids a very blunt question: "Do your parents like black people?" Fourteen percent said outright, "No, my parents don't like black people"; 38 percent of the kids answered, "I don't know." In this supposed race-free vacuum being created by parents, kids were left to improvise their own conclusions—many of which would be abhorrent to their parents.
Vittrup hoped the families she'd instructed to talk about race would follow through. After watching the videos, the families returned to the Children's Research Lab for retesting. To Vittrup's complete surprise, the three groups of children were statistically the same—none, as a group, had budged very much in their racial attitudes. At first glance, the study was a failure.
Combing through the parents' study diaries, Vittrup realized why. Diary after diary revealed that the parents barely mentioned the checklist items. Many just couldn't talk about race, and they quickly reverted to the vague "Everybody's equal" phrasing.
Of all those Vittrup told to talk openly about interracial friendship, only six families managed to actually do so. And, for all six, their children dramatically improved their racial attitudes in a single week. Talking about race was clearly key. Reflecting later about the study, Vittrup said, "A lot of parents came to me afterwards and admitted they just didn't know what to say to their kids, and they didn't want the wrong thing coming out of the mouth of their kids."
I'm still thinking about it...
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who?
Timmy 100's?
Idance
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That's what I thought that's weak
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Isn't it what education is made of? Repetition, till it enters their minds?
Since experience cannot be shared.
(before a certain age and not on every subject of course)
Idance
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Well, no. That's not my type.
As I'm no good when called out as a fan of Hitler.
Idance
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"A lot of parents came to me afterwards and admitted they just didn't know what to say to their kids, and they didn't want the wrong thing coming out of the mouth of their kids."
sounds pretty honest to me
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Oh please.
(\_/) "Recognizeth an attention
(O.-)whore when thou doth sees
(___) it, and then ignoreth its ass" - SuzanneT 1:1
"Change happens when the pain of holding on becomes greater than the fear of letting go." — Spencer Johnson
"Those who danced were thought to be quite insane by those who could not hear the music.”– Angela Monet
"There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary and those who don't" -unknown
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Well this post was originaly about "The History of White People": What it means to be white, and I thought you were claiming white supremacy and belgium is close to germany that's why I thought he said that.
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O.K. not standing up for him but that was interesting when I saw what was posted and he just came up banned.
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Maybe, but he should have shut his face.
I've never read or saw "Roots", so I'm not going to try anything about slavery.
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