"The History of White People": What it means to be white

[mhd]

O.K. not standing up for him but that was interesting when I saw what was posted and he just came up banned.

quick, silent and deadly...

[No Nescience]

Maybe, but he should have shut his face.
I've never read or saw "Roots", so I'm not going to try anything about slavery.

Idance

So your not a racist you just don't like black people?

[No Nescience]

quick, silent and deadly...

But not enfeebling

[BrazenMuse]

"A lot of parents came to me afterwards and admitted they just didn't know what to say to their kids, and they didn't want the wrong thing coming out of the mouth of their kids."

sounds pretty honest to me

Oh it is absolutely sounding honest to me...I think it gets at the heart of what's dangerous about "liberals" and "moderates" - sometimes they mean well but don't speak up...

what road is it that's paved w good intentions again...

[SuzanneT]

O.K. not standing up for him but that was interesting when I saw what was posted and he just came up banned.

Get a grip it's only for a day.

[the crackhouse]

So your not a racist you just don't like black people?

Just use a little bit of logic and ask yourself this question: "Would a white supremacist or racist spend his days on a forum with people from various places and from various types?"

And if you're not sure, ask yourself: "Why on da hell is this racist motherfucker allowed to stay here and spread his shit?"

Idance

[BrazenMuse]

So you're not a racist, you just don't like black people?

ummm...u do realize he was being sarcastic bc of the crazy shyt comin' from Rhodey, right?

[rhodey]

I turn my back for a few hours and Timmy Mc[Veigh?] got banned already? Wow.

Anyway...
I found this thing about babies interesting...most of all this bit

Soooo...in fear of the kids saying something inappropriate, parents opted out of being direct and honest. Wow. Gonna share that w my students and see what they make of it...
I'm still thinking about it...

So your not a racist you just don't like black people?

[SuzanneT]

you banned that guy just because he was a little more quipped than you.

I unbanned him. I was feeling my "inner white man" and true to form, I was drunk with power.

[Nay Sayer]

Be careful to what you say, I've been watching Sue's avatar for 9 years now.

I wanna know who's in her avatar...

[House]

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[ngeso]

Well see if it makes white peole feel uncomfortable, you know this talk about what it means to be white must be racist.

I suspect Ngeso has taken it upon himself to defend white people.

I side with the versatile, omnifarious, intelligent and more measured argument despite race, not the the reactionary racist ramblings of you bunch of idiots. And you can save yourself the Uncle Tom/house nigger card, that crap doesn't work on me because that is not my history.

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[MarkK]

Is this thread finally dying? Will it be snuffed out by the ash cloud? Are there anymore sites for the Wonder Twins to plagiarize from????

[BrazenMuse]

"inner white man"

[206REFUGEE]

aye!

what this thread doing falling down the page?

bump


get ya ass back on top and continue terrorizing YT.

[rhodey]

I side with the versatile, omnifarious, intelligent[/Quote}


and more measured argument despite race, not the the reactionary racist ramblings of you bunch of idiots. And you can save yourself the Uncle Tom/house nigger card, that crap doesn't work on me because that is not my history.

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It's not personal Ngeso it's just that when you say stuff like this....

An African breaks out in song and proceeds to do all you tell him to do.

It makes one wonder how a self described "Kenyan" can be comfortable in his own skin...?

So does this mean you are doing what the racist white Supremacists are telling you to do?

[rhodey]

Hey you're back, have you seen any porch monkeys lately?

[djmarbll]

i have to post the rest of this story... 'cause it's fuckin' crazy:

in court filings this month, the tavern says the suits should be dismissed because the restaurant did nothing wrong.

In an interview, simon bloom iii, outside general counsel for the tavern's management company, strongly disputed the accusations.

"the plaintiffs’ allegations about racial discrimination are unfounded, unsubstantiated and specious," bloom said. “i can unequivocally say that the tavern operates a color-blind business. It does not take race, color or creed into account for any aspect of its operations.”

what led to the lawsuits, he said, was a color-blind practice "focused on hospitality, gentility and good manners.”

in a court motion, the tavern said the restaurant strived to maintain a courteous and chivalrous atmosphere. "when the seats at the bar are full, it is the unwritten practice to ask male customers sitting at the bar who are not eating to give up their seats to female customers standing and waiting for a seat." the evidence shows that carroll and shaw "were asked to give up their seats solely because they are men, not because they are african-american."

carroll, a former purdue university star and top pick of the 1980 nba draft, said if a jury awards him damages, he will donate the money to charity.

Now an investment adviser who has lived in the atlanta area since the early 1990s, carroll said he wants to stand in proxy "for others who look like me but do not have the money, ability or time to reach justice." as for the tavern's practice, he said, "they know they cannot say ‘move along boy' out loud so they construct unwritten policy in a manner that will allow them to keep the restaurant more white."

shaw declined comment.

In court filings, lawyers for carroll and shaw cite pretrial testimony from former tavern employees who said the restaurant limited the number of african-american hostesses on peak nights, limited the number of african-american waitresses and bartenders, eliminated hennessy cognac and heineken from the menu because it was popular with young black customers and delayed service to black patrons, especially in the bar area.

During the february 2003 nba all star game, tavern management knew the restaurant would get a large influx of black patrons so it hung up two large "welcome rodeo fans" banners and instructed its musicians to play country music, chris pappas, a former operating partner of the tavern, testified. Even though a bull riding event was in town that week, this was done to deter black nba fans from entering the restaurant, he said.

wow!

[djmarbll]

Who said that?

Bill O'Reilly mentioned that we're in a post-racial society when Obama became president.

[djmarbll]

I turn my back for a few hours and Timmy Mc[Veigh?] got banned already? Wow.

Anyway...
I found this thing about babies interesting...most of all this bit

Soooo...in fear of the kids saying something inappropriate, parents opted out of being direct and honest. Wow. Gonna share that w my students and see what they make of it...
I'm still thinking about it...

I think that's been the problem all along though -- we just don't talk about race in an honest light. We often push it to the everybody's equal argument or its about economics. But I've never known a black man to get lynched or pulled over because he was poor. It's true that the concept of race is a smoking mirror, but the resulting tragedies that took place because of that smoking mirror is real and many don't like to look into that mirror because it shows the ugliness within ourselves.

[206REFUGEE]

I think that's been the problem all along though -- we just don't talk about race in an honest light. We often push it to the everybody's equal argument or its about economics. But I've never known a black man to get lynched or pulled over because he was poor. It's true that the concept of race is a smoking mirror, but the resulting tragedies that took place because of that smoking mirror is real and many don't like to look into that mirror because it shows the ugliness within ourselves.

WORD!

[ngeso]

It makes one wonder how a self described "Kenyan" can be comfortable in his own skin...?

So does this mean you are doing what the racist white Supremacists are telling you to do?

Very comfortable in my own skin. I know exactly where I'm from.

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[AMc]

wow!

Exactly. It's outstanding to hear of such stories. Obviously these people are backwards. Just idiotic. It's shameful that nobody else in the restaurant took a stand for what's right.

I hope they get their asses sued big time.

[BrazenMuse]

I think that's been the problem all along though -- we just don't talk about race in an honest light. We often push it to the everybody's equal argument or its about economics. But I've never known a black man to get lynched or pulled over because he was poor. It's true that the concept of race is a smoking mirror, but the resulting tragedies that took place because of that smoking mirror is real and many don't like to look into that mirror because it shows the ugliness within ourselves.

Agreed. Part of the reason people get pulled over for DWB is indeed a matter of "race"; the values attached to "race" are driven by economic differentiation. That aside, there is a squeamishness about talking about things that aren't "nice" that may be part of the legacy of WASP standards of politeness, of comportment. And talking about someone's "race" isn't "nice" (jeez, that's a lot of quotation marks). The squeamishness is absolutely deadly because no one "wants to make a fuss" or "to offend" - the risk of being out of line is too much for many people to tolerate...do I remember you saying you hadn't seen "A Class Divided"? It's worth watching for this very reason. It's on www.pbs.org if you want to see it.

MLK's "Letter From Birmingham Jail" has an interesting commentary on moderates that came to mind as I read that piece about the babies, specifically at the end of the article:

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; [...] Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with an its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

[BrazenMuse]

Bill O'Reilly mentioned that we're in a post-racial society when Obama became president.

He wasn't the only one. Rumors of post-raciality have been greatly exaggerated...
Note: I do not deny the horrific consequences that come out of "racial" constructs ...I simply deny that "race" is the ultimate cause. If we are to cure anything, we need to look for something other than symptoms.