"The History of White People": What it means to be white

[rhodey]

Didn't you deny that the Turkish genocide of Armenians was perpetrated by nonwhites? My mistake. So was the Turkish genocide of Armenians perpetrated by nonwhites? (You can ask a white person, whoever they're supposed to be.)

I don't know,I'm still trying to determine who is white and who is nonwhite. But compared to the numbers of "native americans" and "Africans" that have perished as a result of racism white Supremacy in the last several hundred years,I'm not sure if makes the "honorable mentions" list.

[DaBownca]

I DEFY anyone who has never opened thois thread to read it from start to current

[Monny JcIntosh]

Which is why I use other definitionswhen I feel those that are presented dont get the job done.

What other definitions do you use? I will be very surprised if they are not equally vague.

Perhaps. Do you think being white and what goes with being white is vague to all white people, even the most powerful white people?

I think the concept of white person is vague for everyone who uses it -- no matter how they choose to define it.

1. A clear, colorless, odorless, and tasteless liquid, H2O, essential for most plant and animal life and the most widely used of all solvents. Freezing point 0°C (32°F); boiling point 100°C (212°F); specific gravity (4°C) 1.0000; weight per gallon (15°C) 8.338 pounds (3.782 kilograms).

Not vague to me, but to each his own.

Thankyou for your responses Monny.

The definition you give of water is vague. Does the stuff that comes out of your taps meet the definition you gave? What about the stuff in swimming pools? In the sea? The steam that comes off a pan of boiling water? What about the stuff in a cup of tea? What about the stuff in your local reservoir? What if it had been contaminated with tea so that it had exactly the same chemical composition as a cup of tea? I suspect the honest answer -- to take rhetorical ploy you seem to favour -- is: it depends. Though the "dishonest" answer will commit you to amusing behaviour in restaurants.

[the crackhouse]

Oh I have learned quite a bit here.


Which is logical in problem solving.Otherwise 1+1 =?



Define "human" please.



What is a "humanist"?






I suspect the racist white supremacist want nonwhtes to embrace confusion because it keeps them from focusing on racism white supremacy.

Now I have said , that I could be incorrect. However nothing presented here
has led me to believe so.

Actually no one here besides 206 Refugee actually affirmed any belief that we live in a world dominated by racism white supremacy. The strongest statement I believe was something like "There is racism....but it's complex"



No white people here- of the few that even admitted they were white- have explained what being white means.

Instead we have several of the nonwhites here attempting to shout me down for even asking the questions while the white people here either sit back and observe, ridicule/lob insults, and generally refuse to even "go there".

That is what I have observed.


But the behavior from the people here is something that I have learned a great deal from.....

So....

If you believe problem solving includes talking about the "complexity" of the issue (while doing nothing) instead of using logic that is your belief.



If you don't believe we live under a world dominated by racism white supremacy, that is your belief.


If you don't believe race was a concept created by white men to enforce RACISM, that is your belief.

If you believe that 1+1 does not =2 that is your belief.

If you believe racsim whitesupremacy is a symptom of "class" that is your belief.

If you believe racsim whitesupremacy is due to "ignorance" that is your belief.

If you believe talking about racism white supremacy in a way that makes white people feel "comfortable" is the best way to go that is your belief.


If you believe that a non white's suspicion of an admitted racist white supremacists is racist that is your belief.

If you believe that a non white's refusal to give all white people that they believe are able to practice racism white supremacy, the benefit of the doubt is racist , that is your belief.

Very good escape, "This is your belief".

I can't see where you're comin from, but I see where you're going: You're cutting the world in pieces and you are totally out of some conceptions of this world.

Don't you see that suspecting people is just wrong? Logic implies no judgment whatsoever be the subject.

By judging (or suspecting) people, you put the subjects that matters to you in a shape. If you're corrupting the subject from the start, your logic process is distorted.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but to me you're always against what doesn't fit your views (some will say "your agenda"), at least concerning racist white suremacy.
That isn't going to help you learn, people will close their minds to your attempts to understand anything new.

Maybe there's no whites here who practice RWS, so their insight may not be usefull to you.

Do you consider that?

Idance
PS: for "humanist", use a dictionary, it is the book that solves any misunderstanding and help the people to talk with the right words.
It comes from the Renaissance.

[the crackhouse]

+ some people don't care about giving a definition of who is white and who's not.

It doesn't help them or matter in their lives.

Idance

[Monny JcIntosh]

I don't know,I'm still trying to determine who is white and who is nonwhite. But compared to the numbers of "native americans" and "Africans" that have perished as a result of racism white Supremacy in the last several hundred years,I'm not sure if makes the "honorable mentions" list.

I wasn't asking about "honorable mentions".

One thing I'll grant: on either definition I gave you, the concept of white person is so vague as to be pretty much useless -- particularly the second, which I think is the one most people (regardless of race) operate with.

[Monny JcIntosh]

I should add: insofar as anyone operates with a definition of "white person", which I suspect doesn't amount to many.

[rhodey]

What other definitions do you use? I will be very surprised if they are not equally vague.

It's a definition based on function under the system of racism white supremacy:

A white person is someone who:


(1) Classifies themselves as white and have been classified as white.
(2) Accepted as white by other people classified as white.
(3) Functions as white in all places and at all times.

Now as far as the specifics, I'm not qualified to answer that. Only a white person can say exactly what it takes to be classified white, what it takes to be accepted as white, and what it takes to function as white. Why ? Because white people thought up the concept.

I think the concept of white person is vague for everyone who uses it -- no matter how they choose to define it.

Do you think it's vague when taking out a loan, getting a job, shopping in an upscale store, moving into a white neighborhood, or finding a mate?

Do you think it's vague when running for President? Was it always this vague? Was it more vague 40 years ago? How about 150 years ago?

The definition you give of water is vague. Does the stuff that comes out of your taps meet the definition you gave? What about the stuff in swimming pools? In the sea? The steam that comes off a pan of boiling water? What about the stuff in a cup of tea? What about the stuff in your local reservoir? What if it had been contaminated with tea so that it had exactly the same chemical composition as a cup of tea? I suspect the honest answer -- to take rhetorical ploy you seem to favour -- is: it depends. Though the "dishonest" answer will commit you to amusing behaviour in restaurants.

No ploys just giving my opinion Monny. With regards to the definition that I found, it works for me and I do not consider it vague. I hope that answers your question.

[Monny JcIntosh]

Do you think it's vague when taking out a loan, getting a job, shopping in an upscale store, moving into a white neighborhood, or finding a mate?

Do you think it's vague when running for President? Was it always this vague? Was it more vague 40 years ago? How about 150 years ago?

Yes.

As for your own definition - thanks. I've been asking for that for several pages. I'm not sure why you think it isn't vague. And I've already mentioned that I'm sceptical about the idea of there being any such thing as functioning as white.

[Monny JcIntosh]

No ploys just giving my opinion Monny. With regards to the definition that I found, it works for me and I do not consider it vague. I hope that answers your question.

How does it work for you? Do you file a complaint when the stuff that comes out of your tap isn't water? Or is it water? Or is it not water, but, well, it's close enough? (Close enough for what? For people to know what you mean?)

[Monny JcIntosh]

Notice how the H2O purist gets evasive and refuses to answer simple questions.

[dj aakmael]

I DEFY anyone who has never opened thois thread to read it from start to current

I remember this thread when it was three pages deep, and now almost fiddy pages?

Must be some interesting comments. Ima start from page 4

[rhodey]

Very good escape, "This is your belief".

Escape from what? This is not a game to me Crackhouse.

I can't see where you're comin from,

Oh really, where's that?

but I see where you're going: You're cutting the world in pieces and you are totally out of some conceptions of this world.

How so Crackhouse?

Don't you see that suspecting people is just wrong? Logic implies no judgment whatsoever be the subject.

Suspecting is not the same as accusing someone. If you lock your doors at night are you accusing EVERYONE of being a criminal? Or are you PROTECTING yourself against the criminal that are out there?

By judging (or suspecting) people, you put the subjects that matters to you in a shape. If you're corrupting the subject from the start, your logic process is distorted.

See above

Tell me if I'm wrong, but to me you're always against what doesn't fit your views (some will say "your agenda"), at least concerning racist white supremacy.

That isn't going to help you learn, people will close their minds to your attempts to understand

You haven't presented anything that has caused me to change my beliefs. You sarcasm hasn't done it, neither have your goofy pictures.

Maybe there's no whites here who practice RWS, so their insight may not be usefull to you.

Do you consider that?

Surely. That is a possibility. Now lets look t other side of the coin.

Maybe all whites here practice Racism White Supremacy. Also a possibility.

Or maybe some whites here practice Racism White Supremacy. Also a possibility.

Now answer this question Crackhouse.

HOW can I tell?

In any dealings with a white person HOW CAN I TELL if they practice racism white supremacy?

DO you believe that all racists white supremacist broadcast that type information out to the Save the Nigga Help Line Network?

Do you think that perhaps some are on the hush hush about practicing racism white supremacy? Maybe they could be using some deception here or there?Do Burglars go around to homeowners and hand out their Burglar ID cards? Get my point?!

So as a precaution I carry suspicion that any of the white people here could be racist white supremacists. That doesn't mean that they are and it doesn't mean that they are not. Only that they could be.

How will I know if a white person is NOT racist? When there is no more racism white supremacy. Until then, I have a lot of work to do.

[rhodey]

Yes.
And I've already mentioned that I'm sceptical about the idea of there being any such thing as functioning as white.

Ofcourse you are skeptical that there is such I thing that is your belief.

[the crackhouse]

.../...

Get lost.

I'm not having fun anymore from you.

Let's see what the DHP refugee has to propose.

HEY! PORSCHE DONKEY!


Idance

[rhodey]

How does it work for you? Do you file a complaint when the stuff that comes out of your tap isn't water? Or is it water? Or is it not water, but, well, it's close enough? (Close enough for what? For people to know what you mean?)

When it comes to water I don't do anything I'm clear as to what water is. I'm not 100% clear on what is means to be white under a system of R.W.S. and according to what you say neither are you....

[D J 1 3 8]

Escape from what? This is not a game to me Crackhouse.


Oh really, where's that?




How so Crackhouse?




Suspecting is not the same as accusing someone. If you lock your doors at night are you accusing EVERYONE of being a criminal? Or are you PROTECTING yourself against the criminal that are out there?



See above



You haven't presented anything that has caused me to change my beliefs. You sarcasm hasn't done it, neither have your goofy pictures.



Surely. That is a possibility. Now lets look t other side of the coin.

Maybe all whites here practice Racism White Supremacy. Also a possibility.

Or maybe some whites here practice Racism White Supremacy. Also a possibility.

Now answer this question Crackhouse.

HOW can I tell?

In any dealings with a white person HOW CAN I TELL if they practice racism white supremacy?

DO you believe that all racists white supremacist broadcast that type information out to the Save the Nigga Help Line Network?

Do you think that perhaps some are on the hush hush about practicing racism white supremacy? Maybe they could be using some deception here or there?Do Burglars go around to homeowners and hand out their Burglar ID cards? Get my point?!

So as a precaution I carry suspicion that any of the white people here could be racist white supremacists. That doesn't mean that they are and it doesn't mean that they are not. Only that they could be.

How will I know if a white person is NOT racist? When there is no more racism white supremacy. Until then, I have a lot of work to do.

you should really copy and paste this

and print it out and put it somehwere safe

cuz you are gonna read this in 10 years from now and just really marvel at what an ass you once were

I would put money on it

[D J 1 3 8]

which is fine, BTW

I said some dumbass shit when I was young too

[rhodey]

Get lost.

I'm not having fun anymore from you.

Indeed.

[206REFUGEE]

Get lost.

I'm not having fun anymore from you.

Let's see what the DHP refugee has to propose.

RWS is never fun for non whites

[rhodey]

which is fine, BTW

I said some dumbass shit when I was young too

So what's your excuse now?

[AMc]

So as a precaution I carry suspicion that any of the white people here could be racist white supremacists.

Good job. You now have an example of what being White can mean.

Keep in mind, anyone here could suspect anyone of being anything, so this is getting kind of pointless, no?

Like, I could suspect that you masturbate thinking about the ugliest of racist White women, and men. I could suspect that you have a speech impediment. I could go on & on like yourself in this thread, but why bother really?

[rhodey]

Keep in mind, anyone here could suspect anyone of being anything, so this is getting kind of pointless, no?


Like, I could suspect that you masturbate thinking about the ugliest of racist White women, and men. I could suspect that you have a speech impediment. I could go on & on like yourself in this thread, but why bother really?

Well no, that is faulty logic. For example how can my having a speech impediment harm you?

But to be suspicious of things that could harm you is logical.

Do you drive? If so , When you drive do you assume everyone is a good driver or do you drive defensively?


When you engage in intercourse do you use protection?


DO you have kids? When you send them to school do you tell them it's ok to talk to strangers?

Do you lock your doors?


AMC do you think a racist white supremacist could be harmful to a non white person?

[mhd]

Well no, that is faulty logic. For example how can my having a speech impediment harm you?

But to be suspicious of things that could harm you is logical.

Do you drive? If so , When you drive do you assume everyone is a good driver or do you drive defensively?


When you engage in intercourse do you use protection?


DO you have kids? When you send them to school do you tell them it's ok to talk to strangers?

Do you lock your doors?


AMC do you think a racist white supremacist could be harmful to a non white person?

do you live if you live in fear?

[rhodey]

do you live if you live in fear?

No sir, not at all, but I do look before I cross.