Man arrested for wearing a peace t shirt

**Bill Blake** · 03-05-2003, 04:11 PM

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Those stupid guards finally ****ed with the wrong guy and got him arrested though....a well conected lawyer.

[ March 05, 2003, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]

**Pete Nice** · 03-05-2003, 04:13 PM

there's nothing there. under construction [img]graemlins/nono.gif[/img]

**floorgasm** · 03-05-2003, 04:13 PM

he was arrested for accosting people in a mall and not leaving when asked.

but i still think it's a bullshit arrest.

mdpm99 · 03-05-2003, 04:14 PM

greetings Jamie:

Couldn't find site ????

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**Bill Blake** · 03-05-2003, 04:15 PM

Try it now

**liL Ray** · 03-05-2003, 04:16 PM

or..

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Northeast...eut/index.html

**Bill Blake** · 03-05-2003, 04:16 PM

NEW YORK (Reuters) -- A lawyer was arrested late Monday and charged with trespassing at a public mall in the state of New York after refusing to take off a T-shirt advocating peace that he had just purchased at the mall.

According to the criminal complaint filed Monday, Stephen Downs was wearing a T-shirt bearing the words "Give Peace A Chance" that he had just purchased from a vendor inside the Crossgates Mall in Guilderland, New York, near Albany.

"I was in the food court with my son when I was confronted by two security guards and ordered to either take off the T-shirt or leave the mall," said Downs.

When Downs refused the security officers' orders, police from the town of Guilderland were called and he was arrested and taken away in handcuffs, charged with trespassing "in that he knowingly enter(ed) or remain(ed) unlawfully upon premises," the complaint read.

Downs said police tried to convince him he was wrong in his actions by refusing to remove the T-shirt because the mall "was like a private house and that I was acting poorly.

"I told them the analogy was not good and I was then hauled off to night court where I was arraigned after pleading not guilty and released on my own recognizance," Downs told Reuters in a telephone interview.

Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in misconduct.

Calls to the Guilderland police and district attorney, Anthony Cardona and to officials at the mall were not returned for comment.

Downs is due back in court for a hearing on March 17.

He could face up to a year in prison if convicted.

**TAD** · 03-05-2003, 04:22 PM

lessysteme posted this earlier. this is a damn shame & scary as ****. [img]graemlins/mecry.gif[/img]

**Martin Red** · 03-05-2003, 04:26 PM

"**** the security guard"

**Pete Nice** · 03-05-2003, 04:26 PM

what a joke! i wonder if they'll ban the vendor from selling those shirts now?

**lyot** · 03-05-2003, 04:33 PM

a public mall ? A peace t-shirt ? What ?

**Oak Pk, IL's Best Bedroom DJ, serge** · 03-05-2003, 04:37 PM

damn peacenik hippie freaks. send all those commie traitors to jail.

i luv amerikkka! [img]graemlins/jpshakehead.gif[/img]

**floorgasm** · 03-05-2003, 04:44 PM

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.shtml

**Gojay** · 03-05-2003, 04:46 PM

Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
NEW YORK (Reuters) --
Downs is the director of the Albany Office of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, which investigates complaints of misconduct against judges and can admonish, censure or remove judges found to have engaged in misconduct.

Man, the Judge that has to deal with this case better have a spotless record!

Just go to show that these here U.S. are going to sh!t, when you can't even wear a t-shirt!

peace,
gojay

[ March 05, 2003, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Gojay ]

**richierich** · 03-05-2003, 04:56 PM

Must have been an ugly assed t-shirt

**DEEPHOUSEHEAD** · 03-05-2003, 05:37 PM

Am I reading this correctly ?
Is this saying that a man was arrested for wearing a T shirt that said "Give Peace A Chance",in a Public Mall ?
If so,my first question,is how could he even be asked to remove it ?That in itself is illegal.
I've been living outside of America for,just about,the last 10 years.This year,I'm scheduled to move back to America,with a Family.
Reading stuff like this,really makes me wonder.

Bold Soul · 03-05-2003, 05:43 PM

See - this is what I'm saying. A crowded mall, people all around, security guards involved, so much money in salaries and lost time on the job - all because a very well connect politico was wearing a peace t-shirt?!

GTFOOH!

I need the WHOLE story before I ruin my day wondering what the hell is happening to America.

Can anyone other than me see how the media is fanning the flames BOTH WAYS? [img]graemlins/jpshakehead.gif[/img]

**floorgasm** · 03-05-2003, 05:50 PM

malls aren't public tho...they're privately owned and you have to leave if they ask you to.

**konbit** · 03-05-2003, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by floorgasm:
malls aren't public tho...they're privately owned and you have to leave if they ask you to.

Yes, but are they able to do that for unconstitutional reasons (i.e. freedom of speech)? Even though it is "privately owned," could they ask you to leave because you are black?

**Dr. Freud** · 03-05-2003, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by floorgasm:
malls aren't public tho...they're privately owned and you have to leave if they ask you to.

Yes, but are they able to do that for unconstitutional reasons (i.e. freedom of speech)? Even though it is "privately owned," could they ask you to leave because you are black?[/QUOTE]They sure could if they wanted to, but that would never happen. You see, the general public doesn't necessarily see anything wrong with kicking an "Anti-American demonstrator" out of the mall, but no one in their right mind would make someone leave because he or she was black. That would be considered "bad business."

This really angers me [img]mad1.gif[/img]

**statuskuo** · 03-05-2003, 06:37 PM

Danny "the coolest jew" B has the best T shirts.

**mhd** · 03-05-2003, 08:24 PM

he is an invited guest onto the private property of the mall, once they ask him to leave and he refuses he is trespassing. the mall will say his t-shirt was disruptive and upsetting to their customers and therefore bad for business

**Walter M. Jones** · 03-06-2003, 01:07 AM

First someone wrote something online that came across un-ameri-CAN(like the restroom "can" as the country going down the tur-let)and got him canned by the Man. Now some Joe is walking through the public mall with Peace on his shirt.

Let me tell you this.

I have a shirt that should be banned from any malls that I got at Gadzooks in...well...the mall. It has a fake ad for "Harry Bush and Sons-We love layin' pipe" on it.

Slowly our freedoms are being taken away. Sometimes from each other. Shame. Peace...um I mean...er...WAR NOW!!! Big Brother is watching and he gone CRAY-ZAH! PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PE ACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.PEACE.wwwwwwwwww wwhhhhhhhhhhEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!

**lyot** · 03-06-2003, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by floorgasm:
malls aren't public tho...they're privately owned and you have to leave if they ask you to.

Yes, but are they able to do that for unconstitutional reasons (i.e. freedom of speech)? Even though it is "privately owned," could they ask you to leave because you are black?[/QUOTE]They sure could if they wanted to, but that would never happen. You see, the general public doesn't necessarily see anything wrong with kicking an "Anti-American demonstrator" out of the mall, but no one in their right mind would make someone leave because he or she was black. That would be considered "bad business."

This really angers me [img]mad1.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]hello Dr. Freud,

So you think that they could get away with keeping blacks out of public malls if they want, just because it's a private property (just like the analogy with freedom of speech) ? I'm not a lawyer or a jurist, but I have difficulties to believe that would not be sanctioned before a court ..Does someone have more weblinks on this 't-shirt' case ? i'm interested in learning a bit more about it..

paix

f0reverneverm0re · 03-06-2003, 03:24 AM

Originally posted by Bold Soul:
Can anyone other than me see how the media is fanning the flames BOTH WAYS?

why would the media want to do this?

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