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    I took my mom to see that Colored Girls movie

    The performances were good.Whoopi reminded people of why she was once regarded as a terrific actress.Does Tyler Perry still find it neccessary to discuss "brothers on the down low"i mean really that is so 2002.You should have heard the collective gasp from the audience when it was revealed that Janet's man had given her Hiv even though she admitted she knew he was sleeping with men and ignored it.There wasnt one positive"pardon the pun"representation of a black man in this movie.We were portrayed as raping,afraid to commit,undercover homosexual,abusive men.At times this movie felt like an episode of the fox sitcom"Living Single"on acid.Again the acting was very good but it just seemed like the same tragic story of black women,except Madea didnt make a cameo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phyllis Hyman Cherry View Post
    The performances were good.Whoopi reminded people of why she was once regarded as a terrific actress.Does Tyler Perry still find it neccessary to discuss "brothers on the down low"i mean really that is so 2002.You should have heard the collective gasp from the audience when it was revealed that Janet's man had given her Hiv even though she admitted she knew he was sleeping with men and ignored it.There wasnt one positive"pardon the pun"representation of a black man in this movie.We were portrayed as raping,afraid to commit,undercover homosexual,abusive men.At times this movie felt like an episode of the fox sitcom"Living Single"on acid.Again the acting was very good but it just seemed like the same tragic story of black women,except Madea didnt make a cameo.
    well no need to go see it now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by liL Ray View Post
    well no need to go see it now...
    I wouldnt,wait for it to come on DVD.
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    When I saw that garbage I saw Friday we were glad we weren't planning to see Colored Girls as people were actually accosting us in front of the theater "DON'T DO IT" But this also isn't the first review that gave some praise either.

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    whoa whoa whoa, Living Single had some positive black males on there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Magic' Juan View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devant View Post
    whoa whoa whoa, Living Single had some positive black males on there!
    I was speaking of that same silly sister girl talk that Bessie Smith was singing about in the 1940's while nursing a broken heart and a bottle of whiskey.My man dont want me,he aint no good,but i luvs him and cant live without him.If you sit there and let a man dog you to the point of no return then its on you.One of the most poignant parts of the film is when Phylicia Rashad told Kimberly Elise that she has to take some personal responsiblity for what happened.BTW i thought living single was okay,didt get how they thought black americans were so naive to believe that queen Kyle Barker was straight.
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    Someone needs to tell Tyler Perry's country house negro ass that we are *not* "colored" people...

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    I saw it last Friday, and it completely emotionally drained me. Too much for one sitting. I should have waited for NetFlix so I could've paused when it got to be too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nay Sayer View Post
    Someone needs to tell Tyler Perry's country house negro ass that we are *not* "colored" people...
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    Maybe Tyler is aiming for "Porgy & Bess" type cultural status...


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    I don't understand what all the hatin' on Tyler is. If you have ever seen the play or read the poem it is mostly about the struggles black females have with their male. the play was groundbreakin back when it was originally performed correct? Wasn't the original play pretty man bashing also?
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    Tyler Perry movies, in general, are pretty awful. Maybe this one might be good, but his general body of work in film and television is lackluster and often supports itself based on star power rather than storytelling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soulman View Post
    I don't understand what all the hatin' on Tyler is. If you have ever seen the play or read the poem it is mostly about the struggles black females have with their male. the play was groundbreakin back when it was originally performed correct? Wasn't the original play pretty man bashing also?
    Leave it to Tyler Perry, a man best known for playing Madea, a modern-day Mammy, to try to redefine black feminism for the mainstream.

    Perry admits that he didn't know much about Ntozake Shange's choreopoem, For Colored Girls Who Considered Suicide When the Rainbow Is Enuf, but that didn't stop him from taking on this black feminist bible nevertheless.

    First produced on Broadway in 1976, For Colored Girls was written by Shange during the height of both the black power and feminist movements. Shange's play, much like the 1970s debuts of Toni Morrison's The Bluest Eye and Alice Walker's The Third Life of Grange Copeland, was a coming-of-age story that uniquely featured the point of view and political experiences of black women.

    Breaking long-standing cultural silence on topics such as domestic violence, sexual abuse and abortion in the experimental form of a choreopoem that combined words with movement, Shange created what the New Yorker's Hilton Als once described as a "firebomb of a poem. Through the 'colored girls,' the disenfranchised heard a voice they could recognize, one that combined the trickster spirit of Richard Pryor with a kind of mournful blues."

    But the play's boldness was not simply in its diagnoses of black women's blues but in its unwavering belief that black feminism was a viable remedy for those blues. Soyica Diggs Colbert, a scholar of African-American theater at Dartmouth College, says that the play's ultimate message was always one of black freedom.

    "Through dancing, singing and coming together," Dr. Colbert notes, "or what the play describes as 'a layin on of hands,' the women developed rites that begin to repair the damage caused by domestic and sexual violence. No easy resolution, but a triumphant one nonetheless."

    In the hands of Perry, one of Hollywood's most conservative black evangelical voices, Shange's feminist message of gender equality, reproductive justice and sexual liberation has been seriously compromised.

    Perry's brand of female empowerment has always been more about his ability to tell black women's stories (even, as in the case of Madea, when the women aren't real) than, as Courtney Young writes for the Nation, "revolutionizing the marginalized way that black womanhood has been portrayed in popular culture." By trafficking in old stereotypes of the asexual, black Mammy, as in Madea -- or newer stereotypes like the castrating yet professionally ambitious black woman, like the character Jo (played by Janet Jackson) that he adds to For Colored Girls -- Perry's vision primarily reproduces rather than reduces negative representations of black women on-screen.

    By contrast, Shange literally sought to diversify the representations of black women -- thus the seven colored girls as narrator -- as well as provide her audience with a certain brand of black feminism: cosmopolitan, sexual, collaborative and freeing. But Perry's For Colored Girls rewrites many of Shange's most powerful scenes, replacing sexual autonomy with moral approbation, substituting female resistance with victim blaming.

    This dichotomy is especially acute in the film's adaptation of the Lady in Yellow monologue. In the play, she delivers a lush monologue about her past experience of cruising, dancing and losing her virginity on graduation night. In the film, these same words are now recited by a teenage girl, Nyla (Tessa Thompson), whose bold act of sexual possession is eventually mocked by her mother, Alice (a new character introduced by Perry and played by Whoopi Goldberg).

    But even more violently, under Perry's disapproving directorial eye, Nyla is punished for her sexual curiosity. Her beautiful story of sexual awakening becomes merged with the original Lady in Blue's tale of a pre-Roe v. Wade back-alley abortion. The end result is a moralizing sermon against black women's promiscuity and sexual agency, and more subtly against choice itself.

    All the pain, without black feminist pleasure.

    One has to wonder what For Colored Girls would have looked like if directed by the African-American filmmaker Nzingha Stewart, who wrote the original screenplay, to which Perry later bought the rights. As her sleek black-and-white video for Bilal's "Soul Sista" and her thoughtful short film South Central indicate, Stewart had not only the chops to take on Shange's gravitas but also her graceful rhythms and visual sensuality. But the fact remains that, for the most part, black women filmmakers do not have the requisite "money" or "trust" to tell their own stories (or those of other black women writers) in Hollywood.

    Ultimately, Perry's For Colored Girls could reach a larger audience than Shange could ever have imagined the stage and page versions reaching. Much like Lee Daniels' award-winning film Precious, Perry's version stands to usurp the original, not just in popularity but also in political message. Because of this, we need to celebrate Perry's ability to pull out the brilliant and magical performances provided by actresses like Loretta Devine, Anika Noni Rose and Phylicia Rashad and revel in his rare commitment to an all-black women's ensemble.

    At the same time, we must remain hyper aware that Perry's For Colored Girls does little to dispel the sexual stereotypes and victim blaming of black women in contemporary American politics and popular culture -- especially of those women who have endured sexual assault, domestic violence, infertility and sexual transmitted infections. (Here, I should mention that Perry's new homophobic plot twist -- involving a closeted, bisexual, HIV-positive black man and his ostensibly emasculating wife -- also works against the open and inclusive spirit of Shange's brand of black feminism.)

    But in the end, the durability of Shange's play has as much to do with the genius of her prose as it does with the stubbornness of racism and sexism to shape the material conditions of black women's lives. To his credit, Perry used 85 percent of Shange's original poetry in his final script. So even cloaked in his melodramatic conservatism, the potency of her words can't be fully lost.

    As hip-hop feminist Joan Morgan, author of When Chickenheads Come Home to Roost, says, "Shange's play will never become dated. Similar to any other great work, the themes of love, friendship, heartbreak, sexism and the negotiation of desire are timeless for black women. Shange, like Shakespeare, doesn't go out of style for a reason."

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrazenMuse View Post
    In the hands of Perry, one of Hollywood's most conservative black evangelical voices, Shange's feminist message of gender equality, reproductive justice and sexual liberation has been seriously compromised.

    Perry's brand of female empowerment has always been more about his ability to tell black women's stories (even, as in the case of Madea, when the women aren't real) than, as Courtney Young writes for the Nation, "revolutionizing the marginalized way that black womanhood has been portrayed in popular culture." By trafficking in old stereotypes of the asexual, black Mammy, as in Madea -- or newer stereotypes like the castrating yet professionally ambitious black woman, like the character Jo (played by Janet Jackson) that he adds to For Colored Girls -- Perry's vision primarily reproduces rather than reduces negative representations of black women on-screen.

    By contrast, Shange literally sought to diversify the representations of black women -- thus the seven colored girls as narrator -- as well as provide her audience with a certain brand of black feminism: cosmopolitan, sexual, collaborative and freeing. But Perry's For Colored Girls rewrites many of Shange's most powerful scenes, replacing sexual autonomy with moral approbation, substituting female resistance with victim blaming.

    This dichotomy is especially acute in the film's adaptation of the Lady in Yellow monologue. In the play, she delivers a lush monologue about her past experience of cruising, dancing and losing her virginity on graduation night. In the film, these same words are now recited by a teenage girl, Nyla (Tessa Thompson), whose bold act of sexual possession is eventually mocked by her mother, Alice (a new character introduced by Perry and played by Whoopi Goldberg).

    But even more violently, under Perry's disapproving directorial eye, Nyla is punished for her sexual curiosity. Her beautiful story of sexual awakening becomes merged with the original Lady in Blue's tale of a pre-Roe v. Wade back-alley abortion. The end result is a moralizing sermon against black women's promiscuity and sexual agency, and more subtly against choice itself.

    All the pain, without black feminist pleasure.
    And this is the reason I have no desire to see his movie. I knew he wouldn't get it.
    I would love to see the play again.
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    It's a travesty that he is the current face of Black Cinema. Talk about an anti intellectual movement.

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    Oprah told him not to do it,he didnt listen.I think it needed to be directed by a black woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Paradise View Post
    It's a travesty that he is the current face of Black Cinema. Talk about an anti intellectual movement.
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    I'm going to sit down and assess what I believe to be entertainment. From reading some of these comments it feels like I watched a totally different movie. Me, my wife, and everyone I know(real in-person people) liked this movie very much.
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    dear god this is the most depressing movie

    from the rape scene, to back alley abortion recount, to the batterrer and the 2 kids, straight into whoopi and her daughter fighting about incest??

    please tell me there's some thing happy, payback, soemthing somewhere soon, or i'm turning this off.

    I read some of the poems and thought there was pain but something more than that as well, this is just painful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phyllis Hyman Cherry View Post
    I was speaking of that same silly sister girl talk that Bessie Smith was singing about in the 1940's while nursing a broken heart and a bottle of whiskey.My man dont want me,he aint no good,but i luvs him and cant live without him.If you sit there and let a man dog you to the point of no return then its on you.One of the most poignant parts of the film is when Phylicia Rashad told Kimberly Elise that she has to take some personal responsiblity for what happened.BTW i thought living single was okay,didt get how they thought black americans were so naive to believe that queen Kyle Barker was straight.
    Bessie Smith was thought to be com-si-com-sah...(didn't take French sorry) so her man might have been away...but she wasn't 'lone long. I read a very interesting historical account of her.

    re: The movie was aight...but the play's much, much better... I was glad it wasn't done in Tyler Perryish...fashion. (Don't get me started.) I've seen the plays lots of times & preferred it to the movie. Tyler did America a favor & helped reach those who might not normally go see this play. In fact, I'm not even sure it's performed as frequently like it was. I still stand by the PLAY 150%.

    Guess what this play isn't about dogging men out...it's about the way these women are interlocked to each other (hence the Rainbow reference). The men are in the background & for a reason...they just set the framework to build the character of said woman. If a man needs to see himself positively protrayed in a movie...make one. LOL I'm partially kidding...
    Seriously, this is not a movie to make ya feel good...it's some deeper, 'real talk' (that's for JMJ), mad women go through these situations & they need to reach a broader audience type of thang.

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    they're starting to support eachother now, I like this part. the young sisters just made up.

    edited: just figured that part out.

    janet jackson is really good, i didn't realize she really can act.

    who's the woman who plays the nurse? i think she's usually comedy? anyway, she's doing some impressive acting herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liL Ray View Post
    well no need to go see it now...
    http://www.amazon.com/Colored-Girls-.../dp/B000067IYK

    Get the DVD of the original play and cut out all of Tyler Perry's BS. The play was excellent.
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