I'm not tipping for beers

**Jozana** · 09-07-2003, 11:16 AM

Had a ball at Harry's the other night but something happened that rubbed me the wrong way. The bartender had the nerve to ask for a tip. Now if i have a drink which requires the bartender to actually pour and mix my drink or if a waitress brings me the drink then i always tip but why should i be expected to tip on an $8 beer when i went up to the bar and got it and all she did was pop the top off. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

Bold Soul · 09-07-2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Jozana:
Had a ball at Harry's the other night but something happened that rubbed me the wrong way. The bartender had the nerve to ask for a tip. Now if i have a drink which requires the bartender to actually pour and mix my drink or if a waitress brings me the drink then i always tip but why should i be expected to tip on an $8 beer when i went up to the bar and got it and all she did was pop the top off. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this.

I think asking for a tip is more tacky than not leaving one. Other than that, I'm a chronic over-tipper, so I'm not the one to ask.

Yo - remember when we would all be three to a drink at open-mics at the Roxy? [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

**Erob the One** · 09-07-2003, 11:31 AM

Yeah - leave a tip always. You knew what to expect for the price when you walked up to the bar. Whether it is $8 or $3 leave the waitress a dollar and a smile. At least you didn't have to get the brew yourself!!!!

Erob

**Bougie Soliterre** · 09-07-2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by Erob the One:
Yeah - leave a tip always. You knew what to expect for the price when you walked up to the bar. Whether it is $8 or $3 leave the waitress a dollar and a smile. At least you didn't have to get the brew yourself!!!!

Erob

exacts.

**fred da warrior** · 09-07-2003, 11:40 AM

So you all don't think that ASKING for a tip is tacky as hell?

**John Hall** · 09-07-2003, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by fred:
So you all don't think that ASKING for a tip is tacky as hell?

Asking for a tip is
AS TACKY
as not leaving one, that's all.

This $8 beer-syndrome is why I don't like to go out.

I'd rather pay $25 flat-fee entrance and BYOB
ANYDAY
than go to a high-pressure bar-nightclub.

That's just
ONE
of the MANY reasons I love
DAVID MANCUSO's parties.

Promoters need to make deals with the clubs and
bars they do their parties at so that the
prices are more realistic, like $3 to $5 for beer
on tap or in a bottle.

AND NIGHTCLUBS AND BARS SHOULD SET UP WATERFOUNTAINS, DAMMIT.
Or at least not
GOUGE
on the bottled-water prices.

I HATE BARS AND NIGHTCLUBS!

MORE PRIVATE PARTIES and LOFT PARTIES PLEASE!

Thank you.

**JMJ** · 09-07-2003, 11:59 AM

Asking for a tip - RIDICULOUS. Ultra-tacky....
$8 for a beer - RIDICULOUS

I leave tips based on the QUALITY of service, not due to obligation......JMJ

**Brian** · 09-07-2003, 12:12 PM

i leave a tip for everything at the bar so it would never get to the point of the bartender asking me for a tip. it's expected because that's the way bartenders make their money ... as such i don't look as it so much as a tip but as part of the actual price .. slap a dollar on whatever they tell you and that's the price.

**däp** · 09-07-2003, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by Brian:
i leave a tip for everything at the bar so it would never get to the point of the bartender asking me for a tip. it's expected because that's the way bartenders make their money ... as such i don't look as it so much as a tip but as part of the actual price .. slap a dollar on whatever they tell you and that's the price.

i usually put a dollar on everything. in a case like this, i would tip on the first drink then chill for a few. then, tip again later. you must've been on the guiness

the asking for a tip thing was rude. tips are earned. bartenders and other wait staff barely earn minimum wage though. you have to keep that in mind too.

[ September 07, 2003, 01:27 PM: Message edited by: t o r i n ]

**alex zen** · 09-07-2003, 12:23 PM

not leaving a tip is worse than asking for a tip because bartenders need tips to survive. bartenders usually only get paid by the bar hourly enough to cover taxes on their check. even the govt. assumes they will be tipped and taxes them accordingly. if no one tipped, drinks and cover charges would go up even more.

**Jozana** · 09-07-2003, 01:35 PM

I tipped a dollar on the first one and the next three i didn't. Vic Lavendar knocked over my next one and gave me a ten to go get me a new one. I wasn't gonna tip with somebody else's money but i must be honest if it was my money i would'nt have tipped either. The bartender lives off tips is no reason for me to always leave a tip. Tips are like respect, they must be earned. On another note Brian Reaves knocked over my next beer. What is it with them Maywood niggas and knocking over drinks.

Bold Soul · 09-07-2003, 01:37 PM

Originally posted by Jozana:
I tipped a dollar on the first one and the next three i didn't. Vic Lavendar knocked over my next one and gave me a ten to go get me a new one. I wasn't gonna tip with somebody else's money but i must be honest if it was my money i would'nt have tipped either. The bartender lives off tips is no reason for me to always leave a tip. Tips are like respect, they must be earned. On another note Brian Reaves knocked over my next beer. What is it with them Maywood niggas and knocking over drinks.

[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

**Brian** · 09-07-2003, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Jozana:
I tipped a dollar on the first one and the next three i didn't. Vic Lavendar knocked over my next one and gave me a ten to go get me a new one. I wasn't gonna tip with somebody else's money but i must be honest if it was my money i would'nt have tipped either. The bartender lives off tips is no reason for me to always leave a tip. Tips are like respect, they must be earned. On another note Brian Reaves knocked over my next beer. What is it with them Maywood niggas and knocking over drinks.

Well you shouldn't expect anything but crappy service if you're not tipping for every drink. You may not like it, but that's the way it works. Tips don't have to be earned as most people understand that it's not whether or not you tip, it's how much you tip (tip higher for better service). If you don't tip, you're not worth the bartender's time.

**beaniboy67** · 09-07-2003, 01:54 PM

In the Uk no one ever tips the bar staff for drinks unless they are brought to the table you are sitting at!On the other hand i was told when i was in the states that everyone tips after each drink is served!To be honest i tipped most of the time(usually a dollar) but i feel it would be easier to have the drinks at a suitable price so that a tip wasnt needed!Saying that,this is the way its done in the uk, but if i was you guys and the bar staff asked me for a tip id tell them where to shove their drink(right up their ass!This is cheeky and rude and would get no prizes with me.Asking someone to give u money for pouring a drink or opening a beer bottle is a scandal especially when they are already being paid.The tip is given for a good service is it not?That doesnt sound good service to me ,that sounds more like what some dude on a street corner would say to you!!

**Wild i** · 09-07-2003, 02:08 PM

Tipping is an indication that the services rendered were exemplary, therefore they should never be asked for. Plus, I would hardly consider popping a top exemplary service.

True, bartenders don't get paid much, but they do at least make minimum wage, unlike wait staff (at least here in NY). This is the only line that I'm aware of where the employer is allowed to pay less than MINIMUM wage under the assumption that they will make it up in tips. THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS.

Now as far as bartenders barely making enough to live off of, depends on the venue. Here's a true story"

Circa 1984 -- A friend of mine who tended bar at Tracks DC crashed at my house one night. In the morning she said she was fuming mad. She hated the Wednesday crowd because they were so cheap. She'd only made $150 in tips! TIPS! ON A WEDNESDAY! IN 1984. This woman was all of 30 years old. She work the bar 4-5 nights a week. The law only requires you to declare 30% or tips (at least at that time). So she was making at least $750 a week part time, of which only $225 was taxed. Sorry, I have a hard time mustering pity.

**Chip_E** · 09-07-2003, 02:11 PM

One......I'm a cheap mo-fo.
Two......I'm a picky mo-fo.
Threee...I'm a non-conforming mo-fo.

I tip for quality service.
I also make a point of speaking to the management if I get spectacular service.
If the bartender is attentive, pleasant, and doesn't screw-up my order, they'll get a buck
per drink. If they're too busy chattin' with some friend or potential bed buddy, I stiff 'em .
If they can't remember something as simple as a lime wedge, I stiff 'em. If they treat me like a second-class citizen, I stiff 'em. If I hand them my money, I expect it HANDED back. If they slap it on the counter, I stiff 'em. If they remember my order when I return, I'll usually leave 'em two bucks.

Tips should not be expected...fair wages and good service should be expected.

Why is it that you tip a cabbie, but not a bus driver?

-e.

**JMJ** · 09-07-2003, 02:12 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Brian:

If you don't tip, you're not worth the bartender's time.

That's backwards logic. Am I working for the bartender, or vice versa?? Good service = Good tips. I'm not going to tip just to GET service. Give me good service and you will be rewarded.....JMJ

**Bougie Soliterre** · 09-07-2003, 02:36 PM

I would be curious to know-

how many of you non-tippers or tip-for-quality-tippers have actually worked as a bartender?

**MyNia** · 09-07-2003, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by Jozana:
What is it with them Maywood niggas and knocking over drinks.

I am from Maywood and I didn't knock over your drink [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]

**Jozana** · 09-07-2003, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by mynia:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jozana:
What is it with them Maywood niggas and knocking over drinks.

I am from Maywood and I didn't knock over your drink [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Mynia you know i'm just joking but it was kind of funny how in a matter of 20 minutes they knocked over my beer. They both replaced the beer so it was cool.

**Wild i** · 09-07-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
I would be curious to know-

how many of you non-tippers or tip-for-quality-tippers have actually worked as a bartender?

"I never saw a purple cow
I'd never like to see one.
But I can tell you anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one."

There are lots and lots of people who provide excellent customer service at or just above minimum wage who NEVER get tips.

When I was in the Navy, my wages were below poverty level, I worked 12 hour shift, there was inadequate base housing so I had an apartment which I could not afford alone, I worked 24 straight hours in a snowstorm and I NEVER GOT A TIP.

During the blackout (2003) one of my operators worked 26 straight hours, another 36 hours and, believe me, we don't pay them much but THEY NEVER GOT A TIP and they never asked for anything special.

Many, many, many bartenders make damned good money, but even if they didn't, TIPS ARE EARNED BY EXEMPLARY SERVICE. If you got a problem with you salary, change you field or talk to your boss.

**Bougie Soliterre** · 09-07-2003, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Wild i:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
I would be curious to know-

how many of you non-tippers or tip-for-quality-tippers have actually worked as a bartender?

"I never saw a purple cow
I'd never like to see one.
But I can tell you anyhow,
I'd rather see than be one."

There are lots and lots of people who provide excellent customer service at or just above minimum wage who NEVER get tips.

When I was in the Navy, my wages were below poverty level, I worked 12 hour shift, there was inadequate base housing so I had an apartment which I could not afford alone, I worked 24 straight hours in a snowstorm and I NEVER GOT A TIP.

During the blackout (2003) one of my operators worked 26 straight hours, another 36 hours and, believe me, we don't pay them much but THEY NEVER GOT A TIP and they never asked for anything special.

Many, many, many bartenders make damned good money, but even if they didn't, TIPS ARE EARNED BY EXEMPLARY SERVICE. If you got a problem with you salary, change you field or talk to your boss. [/QUOTE]so I take it that's a no then to my question.

**John Hall** · 09-07-2003, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Wild i:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Bougie Soliterre:
I would be curious to know-

how many of you non-tippers or tip-for-quality-tippers have actually worked as a bartender?

"

.....
During the blackout (2003) one of my operators worked 26 straight hours, another 36 hours and, believe me, we don't pay them much but THEY NEVER GOT A TIP and they never asked for anything special.... [/QUOTE]Hi Wild I, your operator didn't get a tip, but
they made time and half after the 8th hour, so
they made out ok anyway, unless your operators
are exempt from that law.

**Chip_E** · 09-07-2003, 06:02 PM

I worked in the service industry.
Got damned good tips too...because I gave great service. I always tried to treat people the way I'd treat them if they were in my home.
I guess that's one of the reasons that I'm so damned picky. Good customer service is an art.
Sadly it's a rare form of art. Average to below average is becomming the norm. Possibly because too many in the service industry feel that they're owed tips just for being there.

If I didn't get a tip I knew it wasn't because of something I did or didn't do.

Tipping someone just because they're there is like tipping a vending machine. Do something that's above and beyond, and you're entitled to a tip. But if you walk up to me with an attitude and say, "Yeah", "What", or just silently stare at me, you're not treating me any better than a vending machine.

What about you Bougie? You worked in the industry? Do you always tip regardless of the quality of service?

-e.

**JMNYC** · 09-07-2003, 08:42 PM

I like to tip out at the end of the night. Then, I can tip $5 or $10 depending on how many drinks I've had and how the service was.

Now if a bartender asked me for a tip, I would tell them that I thought that was very presumptuous and tacky, and I would not leave them one.

I worked for tips for a long time (and made a LOT of dough in the process, I might add - it ain't so bad being a bartender in a half-busy establishment, let alone one that's crowded).

I would never demand a tip, unless the person was asking for something so COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THE REALM OF MY NORMAL RESPONSIBILITIES. For instance, when I worked in coatcheck, if you came to me with NO ticket, NO idea what time you came in, NO idea what your initials are and NO friends who came with you AND if you had a standard black Marc Jacob jacket like everybody else up in there, you would normally have to wait until the end of the night. If you wanted me to go digging through 1,000 coats, you were gonna have to pony up.

Other than extreme cases like that, tipping is customary, but should be based on receiving good service, not on the expectations of the bartender.

When it becomes an expectation, service quality drops automatically (hence, bad service throughout Europe where service is compris).

I want good service, and I tip WELL when I receive it ... but I will not tip, or will under-tip if the service sucks. It's my hard-earned money and I am not just giving it away because you think you need it more than me.

One other thing on this topic: one of the tackiest things I've ever seen is when I get someone a free drink at a party and they don't leave a tip. Now THAT's tacky.

[ September 07, 2003, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

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