Deep clubs past or present..

[Dj Alex]

Evening all ,

As always on the never ending quest to rumble the memory banks of the DHP massive . I'm not sure if I have done a post like this before , it was probably linked to some way .
One of the reasons for starting this post is I don't get a good deep musical excursion in a night too often , but I can sure remember when I have been in one .

So the question..

What club past or present had a profound affect on you as a deep musical enviroment , like you were consistently being given musical schooling each week or each month ? .
The session may have ran only a few weeks or months whatever . I'm sure the Music Box and Garage will come up but I know there were other parties that , shook you with the music as well .

I also like to ask you are you getting the same kind of special musical evening/morning that you got then - music selection still inspiring ? .

Land Of Oz upstairs woth Tony Wilson : I only managed to get in a few times , but when I did there was this room just playing alternative , i did not think of dancing to rock records alongside house music .

I can remember Ministry early 90's - Humphries / Harvey / guests like Lil Louis - these nights where early traces of disco and just different music were also being played , and the system was 2nd to none - (this came up in my head today as I was speaking to the sound company who looked after the system when it 1st opened) . from all the current dance music being released .

Sabresonic - Weatherall's dingy damp booming warehouse in London Bridge - challenging music every friday from Dub through to Techno and everything related in between . I was astounded at how progressive it was also .

The Blue Note - Mo Wax , New Hard left , Ninja Tune amazing music connecting for a lengthy period .

Plastic People - well you know how I Feel..

Peace Alex . ;)

[Dj Alex]

Is this topic tired ? .

Peace Alex .

[upliftdisco365]

Originally posted by Dj Alex:
Is this topic tired ? .

Peace Alex .

Nah, man!

In the beginning, it was my high school gym parties in Irvington, NJ. in '82 through '86, DJ Quest from Frisco Disco was one of the regular DJ's, as was DJ Mark 45 King. Quest schooled us on cuts like "Mesopotamia", "Time Warp", "My Love is Free" and "Together Forever".

Then I began to get my education from Sensations in Newark every week. I'm not sure if Naeem Johnson was a resident in the early to mid 80's but I know he played there with a few other cats. That's where I got hip to a lot of Euro-cuts like "I'm Hungry" and "Dance to the Beat" and "Ride the Escalator"(I'd kill for a copy of "Ride the Escalator" in any form).

In '87, I started sneaking into the Zanzibar almost every saturday. That was Disco/House College. Tony and John Robinson put me down on what became my earliest working collection for mobile gigs.

At the end of the 80's, I was hooked on Junior Vasquez and Sound Factory. That's probably when my house collection was at it's most interesting point. That's where I first heard "Work it to the Bone", "Never Give Up On Love" and "Across 110th St."

THe last place to give me constant education was and is The Shelter in NYC.

[Dj Alex]

Nah, man!

In the beginning, it was my high school gym parties in Irvington, NJ. in '82 through '86, DJ Quest from Frisco Disco was one of the regular DJ's, as was DJ Mark 45 King. Quest schooled us on cuts like "Mesopotamia", "Time Warp", "My Love is Free" and "Together Forever".

Then I began to get my education from Sensations in Newark every week. I'm not sure if Naeem Johnson was a resident in the early to mid 80's but I know he played there with a few other cats. That's where I got hip to a lot of Euro-cuts like "I'm Hungry" and "Dance to the Beat" and "Ride the Escalator"(I'd kill for a copy of "Ride the Escalator" in any form).

In '87, I started sneaking into the Zanzibar almost every saturday. That was Disco/House College. Tony and John Robinson put me down on what became my earliest working collection for mobile gigs.

At the end of the 80's, I was hooked on Junior Vasquez and Sound Factory. That's probably when my house collection was at it's most interesting point. That's where I first heard "Work it to the Bone", "Never Give Up On Love" and "Across 110th St."

THe last place to give me constant education was and is The Shelter in NYC. [/QB][/QUOTE]


Hello John,

Thanks for getting back to me on this one bro , I have always valued your input in regards music , memories good nights etc .
It has been enlightening to read about some of your experiences , hearing records not put in the house barrier etc . Was that Stopp's - I'm Hungry and I have not heard of the other cuts ? .
I thought it was a good idea that Tony Humphries put in the Massimo Barsotti and Peter Godwin tracks on his Choice comp , these records serve a good purpose in our nights out would you agree ? .

on my 2nd question do you feel that you still get this musical education reg deep records etc now ? .

peace and thanks for the memories..

Alex . ;)

[D J 1 3 8]

SOUL KITCHEN

This party ran from about 91-97 (?) with a few breaks and a lot of venue changes. The DJ was Frankie Inglese, who had absolutely no skillz whatsoever but he did have good taste. He played strictly soul and funk with an occasional dancehall set thrown in. He has an amazing record collection and every week you'd be like "oh THAT'S where that sample is from!". Hip hop was blowing wide open at the time so sampling was on everyone's mind it seemed. It was one of the most mixed and beautiful crowds a downtown party has ever had. The women were off the hook. They sold 40s of colt 45 at the bar and chicken wings at many of the venues (It started in a tiny BBQ restaurant). Lots of blunts being passes and almost no drama. It was where hip hop heads and rappers and producers went to get schooled and bite samples. I actually bar-tended at one of the venues (Wetlands) and I met alot of old school hip hop DJs that way (Clark Kent, Starski, etc.). When old "downtown" club heads talk about the good old hip hop days, they invariably mention this party.

[upliftdisco365]

Yeah. That's Stopp's "I'm Hungry". I forget who made "Ride the Escalator". I've heard it in clubs and in radio mixes. This chorus of guys sings, "ride, ride, ride, ride- ride the escala-tor!! Up and down, Up and down, all the way to the underground!" This girl comes in and sings, "Let's make some noise!! mmmmm-mmmmmm-mmmmm!!" Dance to the beat is a single male vocal; very low key and sorta flangey. Grant B has this one and has told me who did it. I forgot.

Both cuts you mentioned on tomy's compilation are great inclusions. I love "Maybe Tomorrow" and "You Sure Can't Go to the Moon".

I get educated on deepness all the time. I haven't been able to find the time to hit Shelter like I used to, but I check out tons of mixes online from a variety of DJ's. And when I go out locally, I get wind of some of what's interesting and hot these days.

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by DJ 138:
SOUL KITCHEN

This party ran from about 91-97 (?) with a few breaks and a lot of venue changes. The DJ was Frankie Inglese, who had absolutely no skillz whatsoever but he did have good taste. He played strictly soul and funk with an occasional dancehall set thrown in. He has an amazing record collection and every week you'd be like "oh THAT'S where that sample is from!". Hip hop was blowing wide open at the time so sampling was on everyone's mind it seemed. It was one of the most mixed and beautiful crowds a downtown party has ever had. The women were off the hook. They sold 40s of colt 45 at the bar and chicken wings at many of the venues (It started in a tiny BBQ restaurant). Lots of blunts being passes and almost no drama. It was where hip hop heads and rappers and producers went to get schooled and bite samples. I actually bar-tended at one of the venues (Wetlands) and I met alot of old school hip hop DJs that way (Clark Kent, Starski, etc.). When old "downtown" club heads talk about the good old hip hop days, they invariably mention this party.

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Thanks Julian ,

That sound like a great place bro , when yuo have just one dude who has the serious records to play . It just don't matter with the mixing does it ! .
When I first heard those DJ Muro tapes from Japan , that blew me away with how much beautiful music was out there to discover and made me think of the genius of hip hop sampling .

peace A ;) lex ,

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Yeah. That's Stopp's "I'm Hungry". I forget who made "Ride the Escalator". I've heard it in clubs and in radio mixes. This chorus of guys sings, "ride, ride, ride, ride- ride the escala-tor!! Up and down, Up and down, all the way to the underground!" This girl comes in and sings, "Let's make some noise!! mmmmm-mmmmmm-mmmmm!!" Dance to the beat is a single male vocal; very low key and sorta flangey. Grant B has this one and has told me who did it. I forgot.

Both cuts you mentioned on tomy's compilation are great inclusions. I love "Maybe Tomorrow" and "You Sure Can't Go to the Moon".

I get educated on deepness all the time. I haven't been able to find the time to hit Shelter like I used to, but I check out tons of mixes online from a variety of DJ's. And when I go out locally, I get wind of some of what's interesting and hot these days.

.

Hello John ,

I still have not heard Stopp's record . It is one of those elusive records . That spot Sensations sounded like a really good place to go , did that run all night and reg other deep records , did the Zanzibar get deep like that very often . I aseem to get the impression it was during the closing hour/s ? .
Did you hit Afterlife on a reg , I heard a mix from there - deep selection serious ! and just different styles .

Peace Alex .

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
Yeah. That's Stopp's "I'm Hungry". I forget who made "Ride the Escalator". I've heard it in clubs and in radio mixes. This chorus of guys sings, "ride, ride, ride, ride- ride the escala-tor!! Up and down, Up and down, all the way to the underground!" This girl comes in and sings, "Let's make some noise!! mmmmm-mmmmmm-mmmmm!!" Dance to the beat is a single male vocal; very low key and sorta flangey. Grant B has this one and has told me who did it. I forgot.

Both cuts you mentioned on tomy's compilation are great inclusions. I love "Maybe Tomorrow" and "You Sure Can't Go to the Moon".

I get educated on deepness all the time. I haven't been able to find the time to hit Shelter like I used to, but I check out tons of mixes online from a variety of DJ's. And when I go out locally, I get wind of some of what's interesting and hot these days.

.

Hello John ,

I still have not heard Stopp's record . It is one of those elusive records . That spot Sensations sounded like a really good place to go , did that run all night and reg other deep records , did the Zanzibar get deep like that very often . I aseem to get the impression it was during the closing hour/s ? .
Did you hit Afterlife on a reg , I heard a mix from there - deep selection serious ! and just different styles .

Peace Alex .

[music]

tee scott at mellons on 17 street in nyc 1981.

[AD]

Candleabra w/ Tony Largo
Does Your Mama Know? w/ Tony Largo
Brass w/ Marques Wyatt & DJ Orlando
Flammable Liquid w/ Doc Martin

[Djay Raare]

the past :
Candelabra w/ Tony Largo 1994
The Salinas(monterey ca.) Wharehouse's w/Tony Largo 1993-95 word!!!
Does Your Mama know w/Tony Largo & Marques Wyatt
Club Maxters in Santa Crus CA. w/Tony Largo 1994
The After Dark Club in Monterey CA.w/David Harness & T.L 1993-1996 R.I.P to the A.D them were the days of DEEP HOUSE!!!!
The present:
Club Octane w/Teeto,Toonz & Dayzee 2003
The Wreck Room in OKC 2003
NuLife in SF 2003
Devotion in SF 2003

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by music:
tee scott at mellons on 17 street in nyc 1981.

Hello Music,

Cheers for getting on it , tell me more about why this place was deep for you ? .

Peace Alex .

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by Albert Diaz:
Candleabra w/ Tony Largo
Does Your Mama Know? w/ Tony Largo
Brass w/ Marques Wyatt & DJ Orlando
Flammable Liquid w/ Doc Martin

Hello Albert ,

You also mate tell us why these places and dj's hit you as deep ? .


Peace Alex .

[12th house]

julian, thanks for the Soul Kitchen memories [img]hail.gif[/img]

Soul Kitchen: see above; funk, soul, timeless music. I can't say much more than what Julian has already said

Giant Step: from Tilt to Supper Club, Watts St. to Metropolis to New Music Cafe (drawing a blank of other venues now), Groove Collective live improving with the DJ (Chillfreeze, Jazzy Nice, Smash, Nickodemus). Very diverse crowd w/lots of people doing music, art, film, etc. Live painters & dancers, a very rich and inspiring musical environment that grew to include acid jazz, drum'n'bass, jazz, soul, etc.

Bang @ Frank's: exposure to house music that is deep, funky, abstract. amazing room, just the right size, party was always good. E-Man & guests upstairs, Samir and crew downstairs with funk, soul, r&b, good hiphop.

Sound Factory Bar: Wednesdays Underground Network, club is now Cheetah, LLV, Camacho, mid-90s NYC house at its best.

Planet V: a short run at Twilo, i believe, in late 90s, roni size, krust, grooverider, some of the best drum'n'bass and in the biggest room i've ever heard. drum'n'bass came and went in NYC on a large scale after this

...and Deep See, tuesdays @ sapphire...it inspires me every week

[ September 28, 2003, 12:34 PM: Message edited by: 12th house ]

[John Hall]

Before I ever went to the Paradise Garage or The Loft,
my first nightclub experiences were at Hurrah, a "Rock Disco",
where the DJs played the latest danceable "post-punk"
of the day, and I was taking notes and spending
$100 and more per week on vinyl.
Hurrah was the kind of place where the DJs would
play stuff by
The Gang Of Four
Wire
Undertones
Mekons
Suicide
Pretenders
P.I.L.
Doctor Alimantado
Lee Perry
M
you get the idea.

Similar clubs in NY (we're talking 1979 to 1981)
were
The Mudd Club and
Tier 3

Then I "discovered" Hip Hop and Disco/"post disco"

then I moved away from being eclectic when House
Music became big.

Over time, having spent thousands of hours DJing
and listening to other DJs, I've come
full circle and like an eclectic mixture
of Deep House, some techno-ish stuff,
and lots of Variety, heavy on the obscurer, older
stuff of all kinds, including danceable rock,
new-wave, and especially
older, obscurer DISCO, Jazz/Funk and soul/funk.

David Mancuso and Larry Levan are still my
primary inspirations, and the other NYC
"alternative" DJs who taught me before I got into
the Loft or Garage are

Sean Cassette (Hurrah, Mudd Club)
David Azarc (Tier 3, Peppermint Lounge)
Ivan Ivan (Mudd Club)
Mark Fotiadis (Mudd Club)
Walter Durkacz (Mudd Club, Danceteria).
These guys were into all kinds of dance music,
but Disco was NOT their forte.

Special mention goes to Francois Kevorkian...



I first heard him at an after hours club called
AM PM at 59 Murray Street.
He was playing the Peech Boys, New Order, and
everything in between.
`Nuff Said.

[Raven Fox]

BETTER DAYS
A R E A
PARADISE GARAGE
MUSIC BOX
WAREHOUSE
CLUB SHELTER

[12th house]

^

[Placid]

from a more disco deep house point of view...it had to be 'moist' Dj harvey's night at 'the gardening club'.. he had pierre, larry levan. robert owens , the vibe the feel everything about it was spot on...

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by John Hall:
Before I ever went to the Paradise Garage or The Loft,
my first nightclub experiences were at Hurrah, a "Rock Disco",
where the DJs played the latest danceable "post-punk"
of the day, and I was taking notes and spending
$100 and more per week on vinyl.
Hurrah was the kind of place where the DJs would
play stuff by
The Gang Of Four
Wire
Undertones
Mekons
Suicide
Pretenders
P.I.L.
Doctor Alimantado
Lee Perry
M
you get the idea.

Similar clubs in NY (we're talking 1979 to 1981)
were
The Mudd Club and
Tier 3

Then I "discovered" Hip Hop and Disco/"post disco"

then I moved away from being eclectic when House
Music became big.

Over time, having spent thousands of hours DJing
and listening to other DJs, I've come
full circle and like an eclectic mixture
of Deep House, some techno-ish stuff,
and lots of Variety, heavy on the obscurer, older
stuff of all kinds, including danceable rock,
new-wave, and especially
older, obscurer DISCO, Jazz/Funk and soul/funk.

David Mancuso and Larry Levan are still my
primary inspirations, and the other NYC
"alternative" DJs who taught me before I got into
the Loft or Garage are

Sean Cassette (Hurrah, Mudd Club)
David Azarc (Tier 3, Peppermint Lounge)
Ivan Ivan (Mudd Club)
Mark Fotiadis (Mudd Club)
Walter Durkacz (Mudd Club, Danceteria).
These guys were into all kinds of dance music,
but Disco was NOT their forte.

Special mention goes to Francois Kevorkian...



I first heard him at an after hours club called
AM PM at 59 Murray Street.
He was playing the Peech Boys, New Order, and
everything in between.
`Nuff Said.

Hello John,

I understand where you are coming from , I also get off on alot more obscurer music that is not to say I am dismissive of new music . I listen to whatever with an open mind . I really like to hear dj's and dj creatively with their music and work in vibes .
I had some grat schooling with one or two dj's who would be able to play these kind of records and make them make sense if you get my drift..

Peace Alex . :D

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by Placid:
from a more disco deep house point of view...it had to be 'moist' Dj harvey's night at 'the gardening club'.. he had pierre, larry levan. robert owens , the vibe the feel everything about it was spot on...

Easy Placid,

Long time sir hope all is well with you ? . Harv is sorely missed round these here parts ! .

Peace Alex .

He may be gracing us with a little visit soon though as I will keep you informed [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

P.S Do you ever come across that William S trax release by any chance ? .

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by Raven Fox:
BETTER DAYS
A R E A
PARADISE GARAGE
MUSIC BOX
WAREHOUSE
CLUB SHELTER

Hello Raven,

If you have a moment could you tell me a little more about AREA , I read a little about this place and old board member RonNYC talking about it ? . Was it deep fro you on the music tip .

Peace Alex .

[Jolyon]

Originally posted by Dj Alex:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Placid:
from a more disco deep house point of view...it had to be 'moist' Dj harvey's night at 'the gardening club'.. he had pierre, larry levan. robert owens , the vibe the feel everything about it was spot on...

Easy Placid,

Long time sir hope all is well with you ? . Harv is sorely missed round these here parts ! .

Peace Alex .

He may be gracing us with a little visit soon though as I will keep you informed [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

P.S Do you ever come across that William S trax release by any chance ? . </font>[/QUOTE]Alex - are you looking for this? The best version is on the House Hallucinates LP released in 1988 - it's a proper Instrumental that only appears on this comp. The 12" I have has a vocal (rubbish) and a Dub/Instrumental that is just beats really.

[Dj Alex]

Originally posted by Jolyon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dj Alex:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Placid:
from a more disco deep house point of view...it had to be 'moist' Dj harvey's night at 'the gardening club'.. he had pierre, larry levan. robert owens , the vibe the feel everything about it was spot on...

Easy Placid,

Long time sir hope all is well with you ? . Harv is sorely missed round these here parts ! .

Peace Alex .

He may be gracing us with a little visit soon though as I will keep you informed [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

P.S Do you ever come across that William S trax release by any chance ? . </font>[/QUOTE]Alex - are you looking for this? The best version is on the House Hallucinates LP released in 1988 - it's a proper Instrumental that only appears on this comp. The 12" I have has a vocal (rubbish) and a Dub/Instrumental that is just beats really. </font>[/QUOTE].

Hello Jo,

Yes I am mate it's one of those difficult ones I can't seem to find. If you come across one I'll take it off you, glad to hear you are holding fort at Salvador and Amanda as well. We are on rotation fridys now. I will be playing there this friday.

Peace Alex. ;)

[John Hall]

[quote]Originally posted by Dj Alex:

....I really like to hear dj's and dj creatively with their music and work in vibes .
I had some grat schooling with one or two dj's who would be able to play these kind of records and make them make sense if you get my drift..

Peace Alex . :D

I hear ya Alex.
A lot of the great DJs of the past, who play (or played) PLENTY
of HOUSE MUSIC are (were) very ecclectic.

Tony Humphries rocked the B-52s, Clash, Talking Heads and more.
We all have heard how ecclectic Larry was and
David still is.
Walter Gibbons played rock, old motown, dubby
disco and house, his own mixes and edits, etc.

I want to hear more eclectic master mixes, and
I want to hear from the relative unknows (like
me, like some of the talent on this board),
but I have to hand it to Francois K, his
"essential mix" double cd compilation is PHAT
and fairly diverse:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music

Not as eclectic as what we're talking about, but
pretty good for a commercially released comp.

His more recent comp is good but no surprises, for me at least:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...glance&s=music

I like comps with material I DON'T own or have never heard.

Got any CD comps you can recommend that are like
what we've been talking about here?