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    ***CONGRESS SEEKS TO BAN LIVE MUSIC AND DANCING!!
    ***COULD HAPPEN THIS YEAR; WE NEED YOUR HELP

    Congress is considering two pieces of legislation that could
    effectively ban live music and dancing, while throwing innocent
    people like you in jail. If enacted, either bill could prevent you
    from hearing your favorite band or DJ live. Every musical style would
    be affected, including rock and roll, Hip Hop, country, and
    electronic music. Both bills would allow overzealous prosecutors to
    send innocent people to jail for the crimes of others. The two bills
    are the RAVE Act (H.R. 718) and the CLEAN-UP Act (H.R. 834). Both
    could be passed this year without your help. (Links to the Acts text
    provided below.)

    The RAVE Act would make it easier for the federal government to
    punish property owners for any drug offense that their customers
    commit - even if they work hard to stop such offenses. If enacted,
    nightclub and stadium owners would likely stop holding events - such
    as rock or Hip Hop concerts - in which even one person might use
    drugs. Similarly, the CLEAN-UP Act contains provisions that would
    make it a federal crime - punishable by up to nine years in prison -
    to promote "any rave, dance, music or other entertainment event" that
    might attract some attendees that would use or sell drugs. In both
    cases, it doesn't matter if the concert promoter and property owner
    try to prevent people from using drugs. Nor does it matter if the
    vast majority of people attending the event are law-abiding citizens
    that want to listen to music, not do drugs.

    If either the CLEAN-UP Act or the RAVE Act becomes law, Congress
    could effectively ban live music and dancing, as well as any other
    event that might attract someone that would use drugs (essentially
    any event that draws a large crowd). Your help is needed to stop
    these bills from becoming law!!! Dancing, singing, and playing music
    should not be a federal crime!

    ACTIONS TO TAKE

    *** Fax your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose the RAVE Act
    in its entirety and to oppose Section 305 in the CLEAN-UP Act. You
    can fax your Representative for free by going to
    http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/a...p=2&item=1516.

    ** Please forward this action alert to your friends and family.
    Unless Congress hears from thousands of voters these two bills could
    easily become law.

    BACKGROUND

    The RAVE Act was first introduced last year in the Senate by Senator
    Joe Biden (D-DE). A House version was introduced by Rep. Lamar Smith
    (R-TX). Thanks to the support of thousands of voters like you, Drug
    Policy Alliance and a coalition of friends and activists around the
    country was able to stop both bills last year. Unfortunately,
    supporters of the RAVE Act are even more determined to pass it this
    year. Rep. Howard Coble (R-NC) is sponsoring a new RAVE Act in the
    House. Additionally, Senator Biden has introduced a Senate version
    entitled the Illicit Drugs Anti-Proliferation Act.

    If enacted, both the House RAVE Act and the Senate Anti-Proliferation
    Act would make it easier for federal prosecutors to fine and imprison
    business owners that fail to stop drug offenses from occurring.
    Businessmen and women could be prosecuted even if they were not
    involved in drugs - and even if they took steps to stop drug use on
    their property. Although proponents of the bill are seeking to target
    raves (and DJs, nightclub owners, and rave promoters have the most to
    fear), the law would apply to any business owner, including bar
    owners, motel owners, concert promoters, and cruise ship owners.
    Because of its broad language, the proposed law would even
    potentially subject people to twenty years in federal prison if one
    or more of their guests smoked marijuana at their party or barbecue.

    For more information on the RAVE Act and Drug Policy Alliance's
    campaign to stop it, see:
    http://www.nomoredrugwar.org/music/rave_act.htm.

    A full text of the bill can be viewed at:
    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?
    dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:h718ih.txt.pdf
    (Please cut and paste the entire URL into a browser window)

    The CLEAN-UP Act was also first introduced last year, but it failed
    to make it out of committee. This year's bill already has over 60 co-
    sponsors and could become law without your help. Sponsored by Rep.
    Doug Ose (R-CA), the Clean, Learn, Educate, Abolish, and Undermine
    Production (CLEAN-UP) of Methamphetamines Act is largely an innocuous
    bill that provides more money and training for the clean up of
    illegal methamphetamine laboratories. Hidden within the bill,
    however, is a draconian section that could make dancing and live
    music federal crimes.

    Section 305 of the CLEAN-UP Act stipulates that:

    'Whoever, for a commercial purpose, knowingly promotes any rave,
    dance, music, or other entertainment event, that takes place under
    circumstances where the promoter knows or reasonably ought to know
    that a controlled substance will be used or distributed in violation
    of Federal law or the law of the place where the event is held, shall
    be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not
    more than 9 years, or both.'

    Under the provision, any concert promoter, nightclub owner and arena
    or stadium owner could be fined and jailed, since a reasonable person
    would know some people use drugs at musical events. A full text of
    the bill can be viewed at:

    <http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?
    dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:h834ih.txt.pdf>

    Opponents of the bills fear that both proposed laws would be used by
    racist or homophobic prosecutors to target Hip Hop and R&B concerts
    and gay and lesbian nightclubs. Both bills would also eradicate
    electronic dance music and culture, as we know it.

    Fax your Representative. Tell him or her to oppose the RAVE Act in
    its entirety and to oppose Section 305 in the CLEAN-UP Act. You can
    fax your Representative for free by going to:
    http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/a...p=2&item=1516.


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    April Fools is next month.

    Peace

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    [ March 04, 2003, 11:50 AM: Message edited by: Albert D. ]

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    Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
    April Fools is next month.

    Peace
    not sure what you mean, but this is real. it's an extension of the crackhouse statute that was passed years ago. basically they are trying to legally label party venues as crackhouses. any bar/club/stadium owner will be reckless if they throw an event at all due to the exhorbitant fines and fees they will suffer if even one person in attendance is caught with drugs.
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    Naw Groove.This is real bruh.I have been screaming about this for a while alongside JL.

    Folks usually ignore these posts.The act is still trying to be passed.Heads need to support knocking this down.We have had a few postings on this for about a year now.With the wake of all the tragic evets surrounding clubs,we should try to support this.

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    Then it's our responsibility to educate congress on the difference between Underground Culture and Rave Culture, or is there a difference? Don't let our Club Life get caught up in the same lifestyle as a raver.

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    Thanks Jamie, if you want to continue enjoying live music or dj based events, click on this link:
    http://actioncenter.drugpolicy.org/action....m=1516.
    to fax your rep.
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    back to the underground

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    Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
    Then it's our responsibility to educate congress on the difference between Underground Culture and Rave Culture, or is there a difference? Don't let our Club Life get caught up in the same lifestyle as a raver.
    there is no difference between a rave event, house event, classics event, rock n roll event, punk rock event, hiphop event with this bill. the enforcement of it, however, maybe very different. city officials can easily target certain events. Take for example Shelter, if one person is found with a joint, then the owners can be fined huge amounts of money and the club shut down.
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    None of your links work for me...
    :(

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    Nevermind... it just worked. Sorry.

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    Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
    None of your links work for me...
    :(
    Hey Doc, sometimes when I move my arm from left to right it hurts. What should I do? [img]smokin.gif[/img]

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    Originally posted by mhd:
    back to the underground
    where it is "safe and sound."

    d

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    who the hell wrote these bills? perhaps we need to em out back and....

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    Originally posted by Albert D.:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dr. Freud:
    None of your links work for me...
    :(
    Hey Doc, sometimes when I move my arm from left to right it hurts. What should I do? [img]smokin.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]When you feel the pain in your arm, alternate between a heat pad and an ice pack for 20 minutes (10 minutes heat, 10 minutes ice). Do that once every other hour. To whom do I send the bill?

    [ March 04, 2003, 12:37 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Freud ]

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    This is Bad..... [img]graemlins/jpshakehead.gif[/img]

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    Question, are you more concerned about this law being passed because it hinders your use of WEED at these public events (for those of you who smoke weed in the clubs), or is there another reason why you don't want this law to pass?

    [ March 04, 2003, 12:45 PM: Message edited by: GROOVE VICTIM ]

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    There's an obvious reason both you and I shouldn't want this law to pass. We like dj based parties. This law will basically make it so that even if club owners/promoters ban the use of drugs to the best of their abilities, but one dude sneaks in a joint the club owner will still be held responsible. Who would want to have an event in that case?
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    It wont pass. Too many major players in the night club scene to allow it.....
    JM3 ON MIX CLOUD

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    Originally posted by DJ JM3:
    It wont pass. Too many major players in the night club scene to allow it.....
    I hope it doesn't it's a disgrace man. We were talking about this whilst In NY it's a total infrigement of civil liberties in a so called democracy. Everyone should be allowed to let their hair down, and party.

    This is the kind of issue that makes me think mad thoughts 'cause this kinda shit is worth fighting for.
    \"The end of the Earth is upon us pretty soon it will all turn to dust. So get up! Forget the past, go outside, and have a blast.\"

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    Who is the f*cking Taliban now?! That was the one of the main criticisms leveled at the Islamic fundamentalists - "..why, they're not even allowing the poor Afghanis to enjoy music and dance..". These freaky as*holes running things from DC are no different!!

    This is the rule of thumb for me from now on - look at what criticisms the politicians use to discredit the objects of their aggression, then look for the exact same behavior on their parts, masked by legislation and couched in legal and political language.

    We need to clean these people out, or I'm getting the f*ck outta dodge --

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    Is this only happening in the States? This is really ****ed up [img]graemlins/jpshakehead.gif[/img]
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    While I think there is some validity to the arguements against the bills, and agree that they ULTIMATELY COULD POSSIBLY MAYBE IF THE RIGHT PERSON WANTED TO BEND THINGS A LITTLE OUT OF PROPORTION lead to the circumstances always thrown about (like one guy in a club with a joint getting the owner put in jail for 9 years) but you know what...

    Speeding in Virginia COULD POSSIBLY MAYBE IF THE RIGHT PERSON WANTED TO BEND THINGS A LITTLE OUT OF PROPORTION get me killed.

    Actually, I take that back, that already does happen on a fairly frequent basis.

    There's one word in that entire bill that leaves the entire thing up to circumstance, makes all the crazed nazi-like references seem silly to me, and is going to be the hinge point of this bill's failure even if it is enacted and that's the word "reasonable"....

    ...That and the fact that most of the people screaming the loudest about this are people who are using clubs as crack dens.

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    Didn't they pass something like this in Britian only to have it overturned a while back? Now aren't they requiring party venues to offer water and chillout rooms in an attempt to take care of users rather than criminalize them?

    Darshan, I agree on the Taliban like opression in these sort of laws.
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    Originally posted by JL:


    Darshan, I agree on the Taliban like opression in these sort of laws.
    Oh jeezus christ JL...

    Shooting someone on sight for owning a TV or listening to a radio is only a little bit different than fining/jailing a club owner who knowingly lets 18 year old kids overdose on a myriad of club drugs 4 or 5 times a year.

    On the real, just a tad dramatic B. That's exactly why a lot of people WON'T get involved with this whole boycott/call your senator thing.

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