British Walkers

[bigscore]

Bigscore, Central's was the spot during the 70's for sneakers(I brought my first pair of Black suede cons with the hook and the star at Centrals for 15.00 dollars, Which we're mad cheap for those joints, But, Centrals had a sale on suede-cons, Because cats we're not up on them in 1974, My man/LOL), bigscore, I was more into Davaga's(What cats call nowdays, 'Modells', My man/LOL), Down the other end of the ave(Jamaica ave), During the 70's for sneakers and basketball gear, My man,

deezel65, Bigscore, Good lookin regarding the information on Beetle Washington(Who was nice with his, Do you cats remember Beetles Brother Kelly Washington, Who used to play for Rockland Community College in Upstate,New York during the mid 80's, Bigscore, I've seen True demo Kelly Washington at Rochdale in 1987(Pro-am tournament at Rochdale Co-ops on 137thst by the community center, We're cats like the Dow Twins used to have throwdowns during the early to mid 70's, My

Man/LOL), deezel65, Bigscore, Do you cats remember Cosell Brown(Who played in the backcourt with Beetle Washington at Hamilton HS during the late 70's to 1980), deezel65, I don't know if you are aware of this(Maybe you are, My man), But, Jocko(Former Director of the BRC/Brownsville Recreation center on Linden Blvd and Dumount ave), Passed away 2 weeks ago, My man(deezel65, Jock was mad nice on the basketball circuit as well as Jock

Being a pillar in the community too, My Man, deezel65, Jocko will be remembered and respected on the same plateau as legendary Brooklyn cats like Gil Reynolds(Vanguard), Rapper Perez(Brooklyn USA), Frank Mickens(Boys High), Who are no longer with us too, deezel65, Yeah, I heard about Frank James passing away 2 years ago, My man(Do you remember a few more Dunbar HS alumni cats like Michael Brown who played in the backcourt with Pearl at Syracuse in 1984, Then,

Money transferred to Clemson in 1985, And Herman Harried who played with Pearl at Syracuse from 1984-1988), deezel, Skip Wise was the best cat to come out of Baltimore too me, My man(I remember Skip Wise puttin much work for Clemson in 1974, When, Skip Wise was a freshman at Clemson playing with Tree Rollins, Infact, Skip Wise was the Freshman of the year in the ACC in 1975(Over Phil Ford at North Carolina, My man), deezel, Sid Green(Jefferson HS), Played with Frank

James and Richie Adams at UNLV too during the Early to mid 80's(Richie Adams was upnorth on Murder charges during the late 80's/early 90's, My man who was a CO at Rikers was building with Richie Adams during the early 90's inside Riker's, Before Richie Adams was sent upnorth, My man, deezel, My man James Ryans used to coach the Prime-Time crew at West 4th st, Harry James tournament at Endenwold Park in East Orange,New Jersey, CCNY Pro-am, Rochdale(Pro-am

Tournament in Jamaica,Queens), Brookville Park(Pro-Am in Brookville, Long Island), Etc, During the 80's and 90's and even today James Ryans is still coaching his Prime-Time crew at the Rucker(Featuring, Speedy Williams from the Bronx, Who used to play for Medgar Evers in Brooklyn during the 80's), deezel, Pete Edwards had an offer to play for UNLV in 1978(Pete was giving cats 30 a game at Edison HS in Queens in 1978, Which was un-heard of back then in New York, Because

Cats we're mad tough on the New York City HS basketball circuit during the 70's, My man, But, UNLV was going on probation(Because of Jerry Tarkainan giving money to a cat from Brooklyn by the name of Ernie Douse, Who used to play for Boys High during the late 60's/early 70's, Along with Jerry Tarkianian giving money to Reggie Theus in 1975 too, My man, So Pete Edwards went to New York Tech on Long Island and played with cats like Kelvin Hicks(Brooklyn Tech), Curt

Suptner(Who's son Curtis Suptner played for Villanova during the mid 2000's), Pike(Lloyd Deberry, Who playe for Eastern District HS in Brooklyn during the late 70's/early 80's), Mo Sanford(6'8 cat who played for Boys High during the mid to late 70's), Etc, deezel, Pete Edwards and Curt Suptner was a mad tough backcourt at West 4thst during the early to mid 80's, My man/LOL, deezel, Vern(Robo Cop)Moore put in much work for Jackson HS in Queens during the late 70's/early 80's,

Infact, Vern Moore gave Hamilton HS 36 points during the 1981 PSAL championship game at St.John's(Though, Hamilton, Demolished Jackson by 25, Vern Moore got his, My man/LOL), deezel, Vern Moore put in much work for Creighton University too(1981-1985), Creighton University was coached by Willis Reed, Infact, Beniot Benjamin played with Vern Moore at Creighton during early to mid 80's too, My man/LOL) deezel, Tony Hargraves with with Gary Springer(Franklin HS in

Harlem), Steve Burrt(Hughes HS in Manhattan), And Roy Grimes(Money went to a private school in Massachusetts that i cannot remember right about now, My man/LOL), Well, All of those cats played for Iona College(Recruited by Jim Valvano, Who stepped to become head coach at North Carolina State in 1980, At which time, Pat Kennedy became head coach for Iona College with Kenny Williamson(Eggman/LOL, Who used to coach at Riverside Church in harlem with Ernie Lorch

During the 70's), My man, Deezel, Bigscore Beetle Washington comes from the same projects(Gowanus Projects in Red Hook), As Jalil and Extacy from Whodini, Extacy comes from Wycoff Projects in Red Hook(Off the BQE/LOL), Infact, Kenny Carpenter(Legendary Dj from Brooklyn who used to mix at Bond International and Studio 54 in Manhattan during the early to mid 80's, From Red Hook Projects as well as Matty Rich too, My man/LOL).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

Red Hook PJ's - My father grew up there from childhood, My Grandmother passed away there and i still have cousin's that live there!! Smith 9th street on the G or F train down that long ass escalator!!!

My other cousin "Black" (Troy blackmond) from Gowanus used to play for Westinghouse HS..

My Uncle Greg "Smitty" Smith (grew up in queens) used to coach at John Jay

[deezel65]

Yo Mike B you ill son, LOL My Man! Yo everything you said about everybody is dead on you mentioned some cats I forgot about and couldn't think about,sorry to hear about Jocko you're right those guys in the 'Ville tend to have to be fathers and other things to these cats, what they do always surpasses basketball, pillars in their communities indeed. I know Mike Brown he works for the city and yeah Tree(Herm Harried) is still around and noooo question Skip was nasty and yes better than Phil Ford and as a freshman in the ACC semi-final game against David Thompson and Tom Burleson he dropped 44 and almost won the game at the buzzer with a corner fade away that went in and out. Yeah I forgot about Sid Green at UNLV and I forgot Rich caught that body is he home yet? Skip is my man I asked him about the toughest cat he played against in NY and he said a dude who had a story just like his a dude none of us mentioned and that is Fly. He said Peewee and Joe where tough too, we had this convo at work about 10 years ago. Another dude outta Bmore Ernie Graham is my man too, he played in Albert's shadow at Maryland he me told how he used to disrespect Lefty back then and how almost everyday he threatened to transfer and call the NCAA and tell them he was paying Albert,and why they were at odds bcuz he felt he was a superstar high school American too they had won like 60 straight games until they went to Philly and got beat by Gene Banks and them. He spit on Lee Raker he used to bully Terry Gates and disrespect Mike Gminski and Jim Spanarkel calling them crackers and slow white boys, he said Dee I was just a young dude from East Bmore that had never been out of the hood man I didn't know any better. He told me how Lefty blackballed him in the NBA and how he had a chip on his shoulder when he went to Sixer camp, he told me one day at practice he told Doc "I'm coming for your spot,one day this is gon be my team" picture that. He did put 52 on DOc at the Civic center in 1983 when he had a team that played against the DR J All-Stars, a young Isiah,Doc Rivers,Dominic Wilkins and a few more pros it was one of the best games I ever saw,he told me he dropped 52 but Doc & Moses & them had just won that ring and he could've been a part of it,he went home with the MVP trophy and he cried. He told me he and Lefty made their peace at the 1994 ACC tournament he saw Lefty and said come here for a second he and Lefty went under the bleachers and he said he opened his mouth to say Im sorry for how I never respected you man and he started crying then Lefty held him and said I know Ernest then he started crying and Lefty admitted that he did treat Albert better and as a man he should've tried to sit down and talk to him(Ernie) knowing he was just a young man, nice ending man and yo that is the reason why no Bmore dude went to Maryland until 1992 when Keith Booth did bcuz of how Lefty treated Ernie Graham,by the way his brother Gary went to Dunbar and played with Spoon and Richie Adams too,he told me Richie Adams was scared of cats hahahaha! Yo man I gotta go to work so much more I want to build on but you def answered alotta my question as far as NYC hoopers now I know how and where those dudes are LOL MY man! Peace my dude...

[sammyrock]

I was gonna say stories of what. Getting jacked after you leave Jew Man? LOL

and you know I can relate to that working there.lol

[DodgeDanger]

Any stories?

Damn those are ugly as hell............. I'm sorry!

[Mike Barnes]

Bigscore, Did you're cousin(Troy Blackmon), Play with Roosevelt Chapman at Westinghouse HS during the late 70's/early 80's, Or did you're cousin play for Westinghouse HS with Gerald Green(5'11 cat who played in the backcourt for Seton Hall with John Morton from Gomphers HS in the Bronx during the mid 80's to late 80's, My man), Also, Bigscore, Did you're uncle GregSmith), Coach at John Jay when Pookie Wilson(5'11 cat from the Bronx, Who played for Far Rockaway HS during the early 80's), Played for John Jay during the early to mid 80's(Pookie Wilson lead the CUNY conference in scoring for about 2 years during the early/mid

80's, Along with Pookie Wilson puttin in much work at the Rucker during the mid to late 80's, Before Rafer Alston started to run the yard at the Rucker during the early 90's thru the late 90's, My man/LOL), deezel65, Good lookin in regards to the very kind words, My man(Much respect to you and your's too, My man), deezel, Though, You're man Skip Wise received the ACC Freshman of the year award in 1975, Phil Ford won the ACC MVP award as a Freshman in 1975(Which was

Un-heard of at the time, Considering all of the cats who we're playing in the ACC at the time like David Thompson(North Carolina State), John Lucas(Maryland), Mitch Kupchak(North Carolina), Tree Rollins(Clemson), Rod Griffin(Wake Forest), Wally Walker(Virginia), Steve(The Bear)Sheppard, Etc, My man/LOL, deezel, Richie
Adams should be home by now(I'll have ask cats from up the way/New York though, My man), deezel, Fly Williams was an extremely tough cat with his during the

70's, Infact I remember Fly Williams playing in HS during the early 70's(Fly used to play for James Madison HS during the late 60's to early 70's, Against cats like World B.Free(Canarise HS), Jocko(Canarsie), Bernard King(Fort Hamilton), Al Dean/Rip(Tilden HS), Arnold Duggar/Rip(Clinton HS in the Bronx), Geoff Huston
(Canarise), George Johnson(New Utretch), Butch Lee(Clinton), Alex Eldridge/Rip(Taft in the Bronx), Bernard Rencher(Mater Christi in Queens), Reggie Carter/Rip(Long Island Lutheran), Etc, My man(deezel, The New York City HS and summer tournament basketball circuit was mad tough during the 70's, My man/LOL),

deezel, Good lookin regarding the information on you're man Ernie Graham, My man(Though, I felt Ernie Graham was a nut during his tenure at Maryland from 1977-1981, Ernie Graham put in work though, My man/LOL, deezel, I always felt that Al King was over-rated too, My man(Cats we're soupin Al King up since 1975, When Al King was a sophomore at Fort Hamilton in Brooklyn, Infact, Cats on the sports media circuit in New York, We're soupin Al King up to be better than Bernard King

In 1975 when Al King was a sophomore at Fort Hamilton and Bernard King was Freshman at The University of Tennessee(Bernard King was giving cats 25 a night at Tennessee as a Freshman in 1975, Though, Cats we're soupin Al King up to be better than Bernard King, My man/LOL), deezel, Magic Johnson would sometimes build about Al King being the top player in HS in 1977, Gene Banks was the second rated player in HS and Magic was the third rated HS player in the country and

Magic felt that he did not receive the attention that Al King and Gene Banks received, Because those cats we're from the east coast(Which was mad true too, My man/LOL), deezel, Richie Adams, Gary Springer and Kenny Hutchinson we're all down with Franklin HS crew in 1980(Which was the top rated HS in the country, Though, Franklin lost in the PSAL semi-finals to Stevenson HS in the Bronx, Who had Freddie Brown(Georgetown) and Eddie Pickney(Villanova), My man,

deezel, Richie Adams used to make cats cop mad plea's trying to lay it up or get to the rim to sling it(Dunk), On him(Richie Adams), In HS and the summer league circuit in New York during the late 70's/early 80's(Especially at King Towers on 115thst and 5thave in Harlem and Riverside Church during the late 70's/early 80's too, My man/LOL), But, Richie Adams was out of position playing down low against bigger cats(Exhibit A:I remember Richie Adams coppin mad plea's to Pat Ewing

When Georgetown played against UNLV in 1981, Richie Adams was mad fessing to sling it on Pat Ewing the whole game, My man/LOL), deezel, They're was another cat from Brooklyn who was going to Maryland in 1975 by the name of Al Dean(Who was first-team All-PSAL for Tilden HS in Brooklyn in 1975), Al Dean was 6'10 and had alot of the skills and talents that Moses Malone had in 1974(When Moses Malone came out of Petersberg HS in Petersberg,Virginia), But, Al

Dean was tragically killed when a cat was in the midst of stinging(Robbing), Al Dean's moms rest in Brooklyn(Al Dean tried to run up on the cats stinging his moms rest, And, Al Dean caught a few in the neck during the summer of 1975, Money was preparing to go to orientation at Maryland the next week too, My man),

deezel, Al Dean would have been the show at Maryland(Not Al King, Who was nice, But, Not as nice as alot of cats we're soupin him up to be, My man), deezle, Here's a clip of an interview with Fly building about giving cats 100 points at IS8(Pro summer tournament in Jamaica,Queens in 1978, I used rest across the street from IS8 during the 70's to mid 80's, My man).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes


Fly Williams Interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkHqY...eature=related

[deezel65]

Damn Mike I thought I knew a little something but you you're a hood basketball encyclopedia not to mention what you know about college & Pro cats teams etc. I heard about AL dean and you know what Mike you're absolutely right Ernie told me Albert didn't want to play BB,that's why after he made the league he didn't turn into what people though he would he took the money and ran. He's a businessman now days Ernie stays in touch with all them dudes still and is heavy into the Maryland Alumni thing. He said Al told him being tall and having Bernard as a big brother pressured him into playing he really wasn't that much into it, he put work in tho,I was so mad in the 80-81 season they were #4 in the country,(DePaul Mark Aquire, Terry Cummings, Skip Dillard,Teddy Grubbs and Clyde Bradshaw was number #1 then got bumped by St Joes in the early in the tournament) they faced Defending champ Louisville and they punished Maryland,then in the NC2A tournament Indiana(Zeke & them) beat em by 30. Al King was nasty and Ernie was my homey but Buck was that dude my fav Terp ever,I remember Bill Fitch(Nets) said "you can trade the whole damn team I dont care just leave me Buck" he was a real horse. Oh yeah I forgot about Butch, him and Sam winning it for the old Man (Al McGuire) in '77 Yo what about Bo who used to coach Brownsville team Sweetpea(Lloyd Daniels) and big Purdy(LIU),every other word that Bo said was "yo" or "ayo" how about then cats? I remember Speedy, yo do yo know a cat from uptown named "Jim Ice"(Jim Jim) he went to Lamar he played with Rod Strickland alot, he's up North with two bodies since the early 90s? Anyway Mike thanx for today's lesson my dude, My Man LOL peace my Mellow

[Mike Barnes]

deezel, Last thing i heard about Al King, Al King was a franchise owner of fast-food resturants in the Atlanta area a few years ago(On the low Jamal mashburn is the franhise owner of Papa John's, Dunkin' Donuts and Outback Steakhouse, as well as car dealerships. Jamal mashburn owns over 34 Outbacks, 37 Papa John's and 2 car dealerships in Kentucky, Along with Jamal Mashburn making over 71million during is 13 years in the NBA too, My man), deezel, Your're right regarding Al King

Having Bernard King as an older brother truely helped Al King alot(Al King was nice with his, But, with all of the hype surrounding Al King, Money should have been alot better during the his college years at Maryland and the NBA during the late 70's to the mid 80's, My man), deezel, That St.Joseph's crew that beat Depaul in the first round of the 1981 NCAA tournament(That was the same day that Hamilton HS in Brooklyn beat Jackson HS from Queens in the 1981 PSAl championship game

At St.John's, My man/LOL), Well, St.Joseph's had Lonnie McFarland(6'5 cat from West Philadelphia), and, Tony Costner(6'10 left-handed cat from West Philadelphia too, My man), deezel, I remember Mark Aguire being so heated that Depaul lost(Again in th efirst round/LOL), After St.Joseph's beat Depaul, Mark Aguire ripped off his uni and walked to the locker room bare-chested with his jock showing, My man/LOL, On the low, Kenny Patterson wanted to play with Mark Aguire at Depaul

(That's why Kenny Patterson signed to play for Depaul in 1981 out of Forest Hills HS in Queens, My man), deezel, Buck Wiliams was a tough cat too, My man(On the low, Buck Williams comes from the same HS in Rocky Mount,North Carolina that Phil Ford played for during the early to mid 70's, 'Rocky Mount HS', In Rocky Mount,North Carolina, My man), deezel, Do you remember the mad static Buck Williams used to have with Lonnie Shelton(Who was down with the Knicks during

The late 70's to early 80's, Then Lonnie Shelton was down with the Seattle Supersonics during the early to mid 80's), Well, Lonnie Shelton was mad jealous of Buck Williams success, Adn Lonnie Shelton used to go the knuckle-game route with Buck Williams on more than a few occassions during the early to mid 80's, Infact, I have one fight between Lonnie Shelton and Buck Williams on tape(VHS), Off of Warner Wolfs plays of the year in 1984, My man/LOL, deezel, Buck Williams and

Lonnie Shelton fought from one end of the court to th eother end of the court in regards tot eh knuckle-game, My man/LOL, deezel, Isiah Thoams cracked Jimmy Black's ass mad hard during the 1981 NCAA championship game too, My man/LOL(Jimmy Black was 1st-team All-CHSAA/Catholic league for Cardinal Hayes in the Bronx in 1978, My man), deezel, i would like to make a correction in regards to Butch Lee and Sam Worthen, My man, Sam Worthen was not down with the 1977

Marquette crew that beat North Carolina in 1977(Dean Smith was buggin going to that 4-corners with 8 minutes left, Which put Marquette in a postion to fallback in a zone which killed North Carolina's momentum mad lovely the rest of the game, my man), deezel, the cat who played the point in the backcourt with Butch Lee was a cat by the name of Jim Boylan(6'1 white cat from North Jersey), Sam Worthen was at San Jac(San Jacinto Junior College in Texas), In 1977 and 1978, Sam

Worthen was down with Marquette in 1978 the year after Marquette took it(The NCAA championship), In 1977, Infact, Sam Worthen was in the backcourt with a cat by the name of Michael Wilson(6'3 cat from Tennsesse who played the shooting guard spot in 1978 and 1979), Though, Artie Green(Former All-American at Taft HS in the Bronx in 1977), Was also down with Marquette in the backcourt too(Sam Worthen and Artie Green did not start together, Artie Green came off the bench

Behind Michael Wilson in 1978 and 1979, My man, deezel, I'm not familiar with you're man, 'Bo', Who used to coach in Brownsville(Did you're man, 'Bo', Coach for Brooklyn USA during the 70's and 80's too, My man), deezel, Do you remember, 'Boo Boo Vaugh', From Bed Stuy, Who used to ref in games during the summer

League circuit in New York(West 4th, Breevoort projects, Tillary Park, Nero tournament, BRC in Brownsville, Morrish American league, deezel, Boo Boo Vaugh was killed around my way in Jamaica,Queens in 1987, Due to a highstakes basketball game that Boo-boo Vaugh was reffin in 1987, My man.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[deezel65]

Yo Mike you're amazing my dude and yeah you're right about Sam I figured he didnt get a lotta time since I never saw him in a highlight or a re-run of that game. I remember Butch on the cover of Sports Illustrated tho, just as Billy Goodwin was when the Johnnies won the Big E in 1983 against Mike Adams & John Bagley. Mike Moses Willie Glass Billy Bill Wennington and who else played on that team,no need to Wikipedia when we got cats like us with good memories and who know their ish especially you my mellow. Yes he did, Zeke(My fav NBA player) gave it to Jimmy Black,and sent Al Wood,James Worthy and the crew home egos crushed,yo think how nasty Al Wood was, then he was trash in the league smh. I remember Bill Weddington flushed it on big Pat a few times back then and yeah Buck and big Lonnie used to get it on Lonnie never did too much if you ask me Warner Wolf LOL MY Man! Haven't heard that in years "Lets goooo to the videotape" Nah Bo didn't coach BKLYN USA Jeff Mayweather Sheeky and them dudes nah he coached big Purdy and them B'ville had two teams,I remember Boo Boo they murdered that dude over a call man that was foul son I understand Gs was ridin on that game but still,then again in that world nothing makes sense. Yo Kenny Patterson was my man son I always liked him but he couldn't shoot so he didnt make it but yeah I can see him signing with Ray Meyer to play with Mark and them other cats you right Mark ripped his joint off and never played another college game ever. I remember in 86 I was out here for a visit and nI stopped and saw the CBA game, The Bmore Lightning Kenny P and Superstar Billy Goodwin played I think Kenny just got honored(a few years ago) for something at Depaul he may have graduated I cant remember but how is Billy G? Yo that's crazy how much bank Jamaal Mashburn is gettin jeeeeesh! Oh yeah Pat Kennedy is coaching out here at Towson State and he's using Sam Cassel to get some of the local cats,as you remember he coached Sam at Florida State,yeah I remember Artie Green and that '81 St Joes team was tough man, tough. Yo check this and I gotta run, yo I was going thru diagnostics in Atlanta right,so I was in the library and I grabbed an encyclopedia and looked up Basketball and there was a pic of Kenny P. throwing an entrance pass down low to Dallas Comegys and I know it was '83-'84 season bcuz he had on those Royal Blue patent leather Adidas Top Tens(my fav) that came out in '84 so of course I stole the pic and hung it in my locker my fav shoe and one of my fav college PGs I came off, LOL My man! Yo I gotta bounce my mellow Peace...

[Mike Barnes]

deezel, Good lookin in regards to the very kind words(Much respect to you're basketball knowledge too, My man), Deezel, On the low, Red Alert used to play with Butch Lee and Arnold Duggar(Who played in the backcourt for Oral Roberts during the mid to late 70's), Steve Sheppard(Who played small forward at Maryland with John Lucas, Moe Howard, Brad Davis, Lenny Elmore, Etc) Red Alert played with Butch Lee, Arnold Duggar, Steve Sheppard at Clinton HS in the Bronx during the

Early/mid 70's, My man(Red does not build about that part of his life before cats knew about Red Alert being down with the Zulu Nation during the late 70's and Red Alert mixing on Kiss-FM in 1983, My man), deezel, Red Alert was nice on the basketball circuit too(As as well as Red Alert's brother Junie, Who used to play with and against Joe Hammond, PeeWee Kirkland, Carlton Green(Uptown/Harlem Legend from Colonial Projects on 155thst and 8thave right across the street from the

Rucker), Allen Lorwick(Uptown legend from Grant Projects on 125thst and 8thave in harlem during the 70's and 80's), Etc, During the late 60's and 70's, Etc, My man, deezel, Mad cats on the hiphop circuit we're on the New York City Basketball circuit during the 70's too, Like, Ralph McDaniels(Video Music Box), Ralph used to play for Bayside HS in Queens during the mid to late 70's, Infact/LOL, Ralph and myself played on the same crew at a christmas tournament at IS8

(Jamaica,Queens), In late 1975, In the midget division, My man/LOL, deezel, Spyder(Spyder-D from Queens), Used to play for Richmond Hill HS in Queens during the late 70's, Infact, Spyder and myself we're checking each-other during a tryout for Arthur Treachers summer league crew at Henderson Park on Liberty ave in St.Albans/Hollis,Queens during the spring of 1976, Also, Spyder made 2nd-team All-PSAL(B-League), In 1978, Along with Spyder receiving a scholarship to

play for eastern Michgan University in 1978 too, My man(Spyder injured his knee in practice and was mad depressed from that, Which prompted Spyder to come back home to New York at which time Spyder pursued music by connecting with Von Mason(Who made the plate, Rock, Bounce Skate', In 1980, Infact, Spyder was the very first hiphop cat to create his own record label(Newtroit records), In late 1979, At which time Spyder made his plate, 'New York City Rappin', In late 1979/80

, My man, deezel, I remember Sam Worthen when he played for Franklin K.Lane HS in Queens(Well, Actually the Brooklyn/Queens Borderline on the Qj train during the early to mid 70's, My man/LOL), deezel, Sam Worthen was drug nice with his, Along with Sam Worthen being one of the best passers that i have ever seen in my lifetime and that includes Sam Worthen being a much better passer than Magic Johnson too, My man/LOL), deezel, Sam Worthen used to play at the Rucker with Pete Vesey's(New York Post writer

and former basketball analyst for NBC during the 90's), Pony Crew at the Rucker during the early 80's, When Sam Worthen was down with the Chicago Bulls(1980/81), Infact, Pony took the 1980 and 81 championships at the Rucker, Making Pete Vesey the only cat to win 4 championships at the Rucker(Back to back twice during the 70's and 80's), Pete Vesey's crew(The Westsiders), Took the Rucker championships in 1971 and 1972, Featuring, Julius Erving, Charlie Scott(Uptown legend who played for the University of North Carolina in the mid to late 1960's and The Virginaia Squires in the ABA during the early 70's and Boston

Celtics and Phoenix Suns during the mid to late 70's), Billy Paultz(New York Nets), Manny Leaks(Pittsburgh Pipers in the ABA during the late 60's to mid 70's), Ollie Taylor(New York Nets), Bill Melchonni(New York Nets), Etc, My man), deezel, Billy Goodwin used to play for Gomphers HS in the Bronx(Where Flash from the Furious 5 graduated from in 1976, My man/LOL), Billy Goodwin transferred from Gomphers(Which was in the B-League), To Columbus in the Bronx(Which was in

The A-League), In 1977, Which was after Billy Goodwin's sophomore year in HS, On the low, Billy Goodwin had an offer to go to North Carolina in 1979(Eddie Fogler, Who was an assistant coach for North Carolina during the 70's and 80's, Was recruiting Billy Goodwin mad hard in 1979 for Dean Smith, But, Billy Goodwin's grades we're mad weak(And North Carolina does not play that weak grades nonsense, My man/LOL), So, Billy Goodwin went to San Jacinto JC in Texas(If i remember correctly,

My man/LOL), For two years in 1979/80, to 80/81, At which time Billy Goodwin transferred to St.John's to play with Mike Mo(More on him in a few, My man/LOL), Kevin(Will Power)Williams, Larry Washington(5'10 cat from Browsville, Who used to play in the backcourt for canarise HS during the mid to late 70's), David Russell, Chris Mullin, Bill Wennington, Etc, Mark Jackson and Willie Glass came to St.John's after the 1983 season was over, My man(deezel, I remember seeing Mark

Jackson playing for Brooklyn USA in the Wheelchair Classic at Mater Christi HS in Astoria,Queens in 1983, My man/LOL), deezel, on the low, Mike Mo(Mike Moses from uptown), Was popped for movin weight in South Carolina during the early 2000's, While, Mike Mo was an assistant coach at Rutgers(Money stated that his cousin was the cat actually movin weight, And Mike Mo was caught out there with his cousin when law enforcement popped his cousin and Mike Mo, My man),

deezel, Mike Mo was upnorth for a few, Before Mike Mo screamed on his cousin for running a criminal empire(Rico stature which means a cat is not coming home for a very long time, My man/LOL), deezel, I do remember Isiah Thoams pickin Jimmy Black's pocket in the backcourt and Jimmy Black was mad coppin plea's to bring the pill upcourt after that shit in the first half during the 1981 NCAA championship game at the Spectrum in Philadephia, My man(On the low, Ronald Regan was

Shot the same day as the game and NCAA Officals we're in the midst of cancelling the game, Because of Regan's condition, Which was not serious enough to cancel the game, Though, I wish that cat John Hinckley would have been a better shot, My man/LOL), deezel, Sam Perkins(Who was originally from Brooklyn, But Money moved to upstate,New York in HS during the late 70's), Was down with that 1981 North Carolina crew too, As well as Matt Doherty(Former HS All-American

From Holy Trinity HS in Hicksville,Long Island in 1980, Coached by Bob McKillop, Who is the head coach of Davidson University going back to the early 90's, Bob McKillop is the cat who help develop Stephen Curry at Davidson and with the Golden State Warriors, My man), deezel, Boo Boo Vaughn was a very nice cat(I did not know Boo-Boo Vaughn personally, Though, Two of my boys at that time knew Boo-Boo Vaughn very well and i used to see Boo-Boo Vaughn reffing games at Tillary

Park, BRC, West 4thst, Etc, During the 80's, Though, I don't know if Boo-Boo Vaughn knew how much money was on the game at the time that he decided to ref, My man, deezel, Kenny Patterson used to have a true jumper in HS at Forest Hills HS in Queens during the late 70's to 1981, But, Kenny lost his jumper when he arrived at Depaul from 1981-85, My man(Ray Meyer and Joey Meyer wanted Kenny to set cats up which he did mad lovely for his 4 years at Depaul, deezel, I've

Seen Kenny Patterson(Forest Hills HS), Vern Moore(Jackson HS), Boo Harvey(Jackson), Kenny Anderson(Molloy), True(Jimmy Carter from Hillcrest HS in Queens during the early 80's), Derrick Chievious(Who is from the Southside/Jamaica,Queens, Right up in 40 projects, My man/LOL), Etc, Develop from very young cats playing biddies around the way(Southside/Jamaica,Queens), To HS All-City and HS All-American cats during the 80's, Infact, Kenny Anderson's not from Rego Park in Queens(Lefrak city), Kenny

Anderson's from the Southside(164th place and 108ave in Jamaica,Queens), I used to play with and against Kenny Anderson's older brother Ricky Anderson at IS8 during the early to mid 70's, When Kenny Anderson was mad young and just starting to pick up the pill during the early to mid 70's, Infact, Kenny Anderson's family moved to Lefrak City around 1980(When Kenny Anderson was about 10 years old at which time Vincent Smith(Who is the older brother of Kenny Smith/TNT analyst

and Former HS All-American at Molloy HS in Jamaica,Queens and Former All-American at North Carolina in 1988), Well, Vincent Smith used to work with and help Kenny Anderson develop at the Lost Battalion(Which is on Queens blvd by the LIE expressway), During the early to mid 80's, Before Kenny Anderson started out at Molloy in 1985, My man, deezel Good lookin in regards to the information on Pat Kennedy coaching at Towson State, My man, deezel, Is Fang Mitchell still the head

Coach at Coppin State In Baltimore, My man, Deezel, Easy Lee(Former Dj for the Treacherous 3 during the late 70's to the mid 80's and Moe's Dj thru the mid 80's to mid 90's), Used to play for Norman Thomas Hs during the late 70's to early 80's too, My man(Lee was nice with his too, My man, Also, LA Sunshine(Treacherous 3), Greg-G(Disco 4), Easy Ad(Cold Crush 4), Dj Aj, Etc, We're all nice on the basketball circuit too during the summer leagues uptown/Harlem and the Bronx(Hoe ave

Boys club), Infact, All of thsoe cats used to play in the entertainers basketball tournament at Mount Morris Park(130thst and 5thave In Harlem), deezel, Greg G(Greg Marius), Founded the entertainers basketball tournament in 1984 at Mount Morris park, Which was a tournament that only hiphop cats could play in(Exhibit

A:Crews like The Treacherous 3, Cold Crush 4, Disco 4, Sugarhill Gang, Funky 4,Fantastic 5, Crash Crew, Etc, all had crews in the Entertainers basketball tournament during the mid 80's to late 80's, Before Greg G moved the entertainers basketball tournament to the Rucker during the early 90's, My man.

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Mike Barnes

[deezel65]

Waddup my dude yo I didn't know Red was nice like that we're friends on facebook Imma mention that to him and see what he has to say. Yo EZ AD is my man on facebook too we kick it here and there and I'll be sure to mention that to A also,as far as Spyder, yo Spyder is my man we kick it on facebook more than Red & AD we talk about hooping and sports in general, he told me about his cousin (cant remember his name) but he played against Beetle in BKLYN he told me about Eastern Michigan and when he hurt his knee,as for Newtroit records he's resurrecting that label I fux wit Spyder tho. Yo David Russel (lefty)was who I was lookin for on that '83 St Johns championship team yeah Willie Glass, Mark and Shelton Jones came later I remember Chris was on there. I saw him Eddie Pinkney(Ez Ed) Aubrey Sharrod, Mike Jordan,Big Pat,Nigel Miquel,Greg Dreiling Stuart Gray, in 81 against Billy Martin Adrian Branch and the DC all-stars at the Capitol Center MJ won MVP it was a good game.Yo I never knew Derek Chevious(Missouri) was from Queens I saw him and Rudy Archer (BMore cat) go at it in the NCAA tournament in 88 he was nice too son. I know Easy Lee didn't know he hooped tho you're right HInkley shoulda had a bigger gun a freakin 22 that dude was bluffin man. As for Kenny Anderson I remembe rhe was all over the NY papers back in the days one dudesaid he had a Pro handle at the high school level,I always thought he was born and raised in Lefrak yo from Lafayette Gardens projects(LG they gotta league too) you can see that big green Lefrak sign Queensbridge all of that it is beautiful I lived on the 16th floor I could see B'ville East NY all that I miss it son. Yeah Fang is still coaching Fang is a Jersey dude so he recruits Philly south Jersey cats and Bmore cats wont go there I live 3 mins from Coppin in West Bmore,he has done a tremendous job I aint mad at him. Alotta NY cats went to Coppin in the 70s I gotta ask my uncle he told me alotta stories he said if only they had video then some of the best ball ever was played back then,between Coppin, U of Bmore, Towson, Morgan & Loyola.No question my dude Sam was the best passer I ever saw my brother came up from Bmore to W4th to see the champ-ship game, Sam and Mario uptown team against Primetime yo he saw Sam throw two entrance(into the post) passes( all off the dribble) in which I dont know what kind of spin this dude put on the ball or how it got there but my brother looked at me and said yo he's a Pro son who is that? I started laughing I said remember Sam Worthen that's him. Yo Sam had God knows how many assists that game,Imma passer my self so I had no prob just watching that dude thread the needle and feed cats I would rather have 20 assists then 50 points any day(mean while Vernon Moore scored about 70 points in the paint),but yep Sam def is up there with Magic if not a lil better,I'd like to ask Magic what he thought about Sam. Yo I gotta run my dude it's an honor to be acknowledged by a guru like your self my mellow. Peace

[Mike Barnes]

deezel, Next time you build with you're man Red Alert, Ask Red about cats from the Bronx like Mike Edwards(Clinton HS), Nigel Wallace(Clinton HS) Alex Eldridge(Taft HS), Phil Kidd(Taft HS who played with Artie Green during the early to late 70's), deezel, Mike Edwards was first-team All-PSAL in 1977 with Artie Green(Taft), Al King(Fort Hamilton), Rolando Blackman(Grady in Brooklyn), and Kenny Page(McKee HS in Staten Island), deezel, Mike Edwards put in much work for the University of

New Orleans, Infact, Mike Edwards recruited Beetle Washington to go to New Orleans in 1981, My man, deezel, Spyder's cousin's name is Tony(Little man)Matthews, Who used to play in the backcourt for Cardoza HS in Bayside,Queens during the mid 70's, Infact, Little Man was down with the University of Florida for a few years in the late 70's/early 80's,(After playing for Farmingdale JC on Long Island during the late 70's), deezel, Little man(as he was well-known for in Queens

During the 70's/LOL), Was drug nice with his, My man, deezel, Nigel Miquel was in the movie, 'White Men Can't jump', In 1992, My man(Nigel Miquel was the cat who played with Dwayne Martin in the semif-finals against Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson, My man(Nigel Miquel parachuted in the rim on Woody Harrelson and started poppin mad shit, My man/LOL), deezel, Did a cat by the name of Do-Gee(From Uptown), Play with Mario and Clark Elie's crew from uptown against

Prime-Time at West 4thst in 1989, My man(Do-Gee was nice with his, my man), deezel, Arnold Duggar was just as good a passer as Sam Worthen, My man/LOL, deezel, Ask you're man Red Alert about Arnold Duggar(Who was mad nice with his for Clinton during the early 70's, Along with Arnold Duggar puttin much work for Oral Roberts University during the mid to late 70's, On the low, Arnold Duggar played with Anthoney Roberts(6'5 cat who played for the Denver Nuggets during the

Late 70's till mid 80's), At Oral Roberts too, My man, deezel, Cats around the southside used to call Derrick Chievious(Callahan), Because Derrick Chievious could lift it(Shoot-it), My man/LOL, deezel, Derrick Chievious was a bugged acting cat, Yet, Money was mad academically inclined too, My man/LOL, deezel, Derrick

Chievious, Mark Jackson and Boo Harvey used to play for Tommy(Tony Montana)Mickens in Supremes, 'Sniff tournament', In Baisley park during the mid 80's(Along with those cats playing with Tommy Mickens at Brookville Park(Pro tournament in Brookville,Long Island off of Sunrise Highway during the mid 80's to early 90's).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[deezel65]

Yeah son Doogee was bangin it on niggas crazy son money grip could get up I forgot about that half of Sams assist was to him I remember Tony Montana the thing about Boo Boo wasnt that he didnt know how much dudes had ridin but when them cats hit you off buy you ish they feel like you owe them so Boo Boo accepted things from them cats and tragically it cost him his life,as I said before nothing in the street makes sense in the real world. I didnt know Nigel was in White Men Cant Jump yo what you think about Dwayne Martin's game? All them cats I named in the 81 McDonalds classic Greg Dreiling Stuart Gray Aubrey Sherrod and most of the other cats never made it big I remember Whichita State cancelled it's Mens BB bcuz of that gambling scandal not long after Cliff and Antoine,I liked Aubrey he was aight, left handed cat nice wit the pill. I read St.Johns all century team David Russel was on it Boo Harvey,Bill Weddington,Chris,and all them dudes. Jayson Williams,Malik Seilly(rip) Eric Barkley,Bootsy Thornton and my man Mo(Marcus) Hatten he put up 72 against Carmellos team in the Summer league championship two years straight too bad he didnt make the league,same for Eric Barkley and I feel terrible for the kid Omar Cook he coulda been special but...Yo where was Mike Porter from was he from Queens too? Yo I forgot about Rolando he was tuff son and today I was schooling this young kid about one of my fav players,Fat Lever man Fat was nice kid word. Yo holla back my mellow,Dee

[Mike Barnes]

deezel, Reffing in an around the way summer league game was mad dangerous in Queens during the 80's, Because of the threat of cats catching a few in the neck if the wrong call was made and mad money was on the games too, My man, Boo-Boo Vaughn got caught out there like that via reffing a game that maybe he should not have because of the atmosphere in the park(I was not there, Though I heard about what happened and i heard Boo Harvey was playing in the game

Too, My Man), deezel, Dwyane Martin looked nice in those MTV games during the 90's/LOL, I never seen Dwyane Martin play in a true game to tell if he's nice or not(Though, James Ryans told me he put Dwyane Martin down on his Prime-Time crew during the late 80's at West 4thst, So i guess that makes Dwyane Martin offical, My man/LOL, deezel, Did Ennis Whatley play in that McDonald's Allstar game in 1981, Because, Ennis Whatley was the best guard in HS in the country in 1981(Over Kenny Patterson and Carl Golston, 5'9 cat who played in the backcourt for Loyola of Chicago), Infact, Did Xavier McDaniel play in the McDonalds

Game in 1981 too, My man, Xavier McDaniel put in much work for Witchita State from 1981 to 1985, My man, Deezel, The HS class of 1981 was one of the best HS classes of all-time too me(Though, I feel the class of 1979 was the best with Isiah Thomas, James Worthy, Dominique Wilkens, Clark Kellogg(Ohio State), Red

Bruin(Syracuse), Sid Green(UNLV), Terry Cummings(DePaul), Teddy Grubbs(DePaul), Ralph Sampson(Virginia), Sam Bowie(Kentucky), Dirk Minnifield(Kentucky), Kenny Patterson(Depaul), Chris Mullin(St.John's), George Allen(Pittsburgh), Vern Moore(Creighton), Keith Lee(Memphis), Xavier McDaniel(Witchita State), Eddie Pickney(Villanova), Etc, deezel, The HS class of 1977 was mad tough too, My man(Too many cats to name right about now, My man/LOL), deezel, Was Reggie

Carter/Rip and Bernard Rencher on St.John's all-century crew, My man(Reggie Carter and Bernard Rencher we're the best backcourt in the country in 1979, Along with Reggie Carter and Bernard Rencher demo'ing Duke and Jim Spanarkel and Johnny Harrell in the 1979 regional-finals at the Greensboro Coliseum in Greensboro,North Carolina, Then Penn beat North Carolina to make it to the final 4 against Michigan State(Though, Michigan State demo'ed Penn by 45, My

Man/LOL), deezel, Penn had Bobby Willis(Who used to play for James Madison HS in the Bronx during the early to mid 70's), And, Tony Price(Who played for Clinton during the early to mid 70's, Along with Tony Price being the pops of Aj Price, Who played in the backcourt for the University of Connecticut during the mid 2000's and presently Aj Price is down with the Indiana Pacers, My man, deezel, Michael Porter's from Virginia, My man(Though, Michael Porter played in the

backcourt with Boo Harvey at San Jacinto JC in Texas in 1985 and 1986, Then, Boo Harv and Mike Porter transferred to St.John's in 1986/87, Mike Porter played 1 year at St.John's then stepped(I never found out why money played 1 year, I assumed Mike Porter had academic problems, But, Mike Porter could get up mad high for a cat 5'11, My man/LOL, deezel, Fat Lever was a tough cat with his(Especially on the defensive side of the court, My man/LOL).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[Fletch]

Yo, deez.....great posts, but break your paragraphs up, please! Peace!