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    AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters

    AP-GfK Poll: Obama faces trouble with key voters
    By JENNIFER AGIESTA - Associated Press,KEN THOMAS - Associated Press | AP – 22 hrs ago
    WASHINGTON (AP) — Whites and women are a re-election problem for President Barack Obama. Younger voters and liberals, too, but to a lesser extent.
    All are important Democratic constituencies that helped him win the White House in 2008 and whose support he'll need to keep it next year.
    An analysis of Associated Press-GfK polls, including the latest survey released last week, shows that Obama has lost ground among all those groups since he took office. The review points to his vulnerabilities and probable leading targets of his campaign as he seeks to assemble a coalition diverse enough to help him win re-election in tough economic times.
    In his victory over Arizona Sen. John McCain, Obama cobbled together a base of support from across the political spectrum by wooing Democratic loyalists as well as independents and first-time voters.
    This time, Obama's team is working to build voter outreach organizations and reconnect with supporters in hopes of expanding his pool of voters.
    It's no easy task.
    The nation's high unemployment is weighing on Obama, dragging down his marks for handling the economy. His overall standing has slid, too, after a difficult summer marked by contentious negotiations over the country's borrowing limit, a downgrade of the nation's credit rating and concerns about the U.S. falling into another economic recession.
    The poll shows that 46 percent now approve of how he's doing his job, down from 52 percent in June.
    Obama will have to win over people such as Brian Arnold, 33, of Pickerington, Ohio. He's an independent who voted for Obama in 2008 because he liked the Democrat's outsider image.
    Now, Arnold says he's undecided and down on Obama. "He got elected, it was a big party and after that he went back to being a politician. As soon as he got in office, he just did more of the same."
    The AP analysis looked at the viewpoints of all adults, not just those who plan to vote in 2012. In no way does it predict how Obama will fare with influential demographic groups next fall.
    It does, however, indicate which groups will need extra attention in this campaign as he tries to persuade voters to stick with him for another four years.
    Among the findings:
    —White independent voters, who divided their support evenly between Obama and McCain in 2008, may be the president's biggest challenge now. Just 3 in 10 white independents say Obama deserves to be re-elected and only 41 percent say he understands the problems of people like them.
    Obama didn't win the largest share of white voters in 2008, when they made up 74 percent of the electorate. Still, his inroads were enough to beat McCain.

    Fifty-six percent of all whites approved of how he was doing his job in the first three months of his presidency. But that support has fallen, with only 36 percent now liking how he's doing his job, while 59 say Obama deserves to be voted out of office.
    In 2008, Obama won the backing of most whites in the Northeast and was competitive in the Midwest and West, outperforming the previous two Democratic nominees. Now, majorities of whites in every region but the Northeast say he deserves to lose in 2012 and that he is not a strong leader.
    The outlook is negative for Obama among white voters in the Midwest and West, regions where so many electoral votes are at stake.
    More than 6 in 10 white voters who did not graduate say the president deserves to be voted from office, while 53 percent of white college graduates say as much.
    —Women no longer are a bright spot for Obama.
    At the 100-day mark of his presidency, they gave him significantly higher approval ratings than did men, 68 percent to 60 percent. That's since fallen dramatically.
    In the latest AP-GfK survey, less than half of all women and less than half of all men approve of the job Obama is doing. Just 50 percent of women said Obama deserves re-election.
    Still, women are more likely than men to see Obama as empathetic or a strong leader, and they give him sharply higher positive ratings on his handling of the economy. Forty-three3 percent of women approve, compared with 29 percent of men.
    —Younger voters and liberals are showing doubts about him, too.
    Obama won younger voters in 2008 by a bigger margin than Democrat Bill Clinton in his victories in 1992 and 1996. But younger Democrats are no more apt to say the president deserves re-election than are older Democrats. Twenty-seven percent of Democrats under age 45 say Obama is not a strong leader, compared with 11 percent in June.
    While a majority of liberals continue to say they view Obama as a strong leader, the strength of those opinions dropped sharply this summer. The share of liberals who say "strong leader" describes Obama "very well" has fallen from 53 percent to 29 percent in the aftermath of the debt-ceiling debate.
    "Sometimes he needs to put his foot down and not be the nice guy," said Democrat Kathleen Salak, 44, of Omaha, Neb.
    The most recent AP-GfK poll was conducted Aug. 18-22 by GfK Roper Public Affairs and Corporate Communications. It involved landline and cellphone interviews with 1,000 adults nationwide and has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 4.1 percentage points.

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    Complacency is going to lose this election because its not a slam dunk (far from it)
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    Nate Silver did a pretty relevant article on the 19th of this month: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...181D939018FF4D
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    Great article!
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    Obama let things get out of hand especially when they said in his face and to the public he will be a one term prez, I know they wasnt joking , maybe he did

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete_ is_ niccce View Post
    Obama let things get out of hand especially when they said in his face and to the public he will be a one term prez, I know they wasnt joking , maybe he did
    Dude. I'm a strange cat. I wasn't the biggest Obama supporter and am displeased w some of his decisions. However, he has done a decent job and is being vilified for the sins of others and because he is the titular leader of a party of weaklings.

    What has my blood up is that the opposition counts on our complacency to push him out of office and ramrod through their own reactionary views. Look at the slate of republican candidates. They are all extremists! Are WE going to allow these people the chance to change the course of this country? These cats won the midterms and think they can force radical reactionary change down our necks and they aren't even trying to hide their true anti everything agenda
    Right now, I'm channeling James Coburn in The Magnificent 7


    "Nobody throws me my own guns and says run. Nobody."

    When you get mad like this, tell a friend and get them riled as well. Then get busy winning
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    Obama didn't let anything get out of hand, the conservative were absolutely committed to his demise from the gitgo and refused to let him lead them no matter what. Now you have even more of them in congress including those blockhead Tea Partiers who won't work with Obama even if it's their ideas he supports.

    There wasn't much he could do differently with what he was presented with and faces now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Buddy Love Show View Post
    Dude. I'm a strange cat. I wasn't the biggest Obama supporter and am displeased w some of his decisions. However, he has done a decent job and is being vilified for the sins of others and because he is the titular leader of a party of weaklings.

    What has my blood up is that the opposition counts on our complacency to push him out of office and ramrod through their own reactionary views. Look at the slate of republican candidates. They are all extremists! Are WE going to allow these people the chance to change the course of this country? These cats won the midterms and think they can force radical reactionary change down our necks and they aren't even trying to hide their true anti everything agenda
    Right now, I'm channeling James Coburn in The Magnificent 7


    "Nobody throws me my own guns and says run. Nobody."

    When you get mad like this, tell a friend and get them riled as well. Then get busy winning
    I've been throwing my hands in the air about this out-in-the-open extremism for awhile now and talking about how complacent everyone was for sometime now. Always the argument was "nobody is taking those idiots seriously". Well, guess what? A lot of those idiots are now in office and immediately fucking things up, and "Obama is the worst president ever" was a hell of campaign booster.

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    I dont take anything the AP saids with a grain of salt.Remember their editor was going to be Mclames campain chief.during a debate they offered donuts to Mclame.The AP is like Pravda, just putting sugar into the Kool-aid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Jefferson View Post
    Obama didn't let anything get out of hand, the conservative were absolutely committed to his demise from the gitgo and refused to let him lead them no matter what. Now you have even more of them in congress including those blockhead Tea Partiers who won't work with Obama even if it's their ideas he supports.

    There wasn't much he could do differently with what he was presented with and faces now.
    I don't agree

    He could have done many things differently but chose not to. His major gaffe was not connecting health care policy to economic well being ( a gaffe which he is still committing by not selling this now quite substantial benefit). Additionally, he has made concessions which have demoralized his base. There are many decisions he has made and which he must own. To suggest otherwise, after three years in office, is to imply that he has been a do-nothing president
    As for the charges against me, I am unconcerned. I am beyond their timid lying morality, and so I am beyond caring.

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    August 26, 2011 11:10 AM You Think Obama’s Been a Bad President? Prove It


    By Jonathan Alter




    Tell me again why Barack Obama has been such a bad president? I’m not talking here about him as a tactician and communicator. We can agree that he has played some bad poker with Congress. And let’s stipulate that at the moment he’s falling short in the intangibles of leadership.



    I’m thinking instead of that opening sequence in the show “Mission Impossible,” the one where Jim Phelps, played by Peter Graves, gets his instructions.



    Your mission, Jim (and readers named something else), should you decide to accept it, is to identify where Obama has been a poor decision-maker. What, specifically, has he done wrong on policy? What, specifically, would you have done differently to create jobs? And what can any of the current Republican candidates offer that would be an improvement on the employment front?



    I’m not interested in hearing ad hominem attacks or about your generalized “disappointment.”



    I want to know, on a substantive basis, why you think he deserves to be in a dead heat with Mitt Romney and Rick Perry and only a few points ahead of Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann in a new Gallup Poll. Is it just that any president — regardless of circumstances and party — who presides over 9 percent unemployment deserves to lose?
    Left, Right, Center



    Every day you’re pummeling him from the right, left and middle. Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham even attacked the president for letting Libyan rebels take Tripoli instead of burying Muammar Qaddafi under American bombs months ago. Here we have the best possible result — the high probability of regime change for about one-thousandth of the cost of getting rid of Saddam Hussein and no bad feelings from the locals — and Obama gets savaged anyway.



    Like everyone else, I’ve got my list of Obama mistakes, from failing to break up the banks in early 2009 to neglecting to force a vote on ending the Bush tax cuts when the Democrats still controlled Congress. He shouldn’t have raised hopes with “Recovery Summer” and “Winning the Future” until the economy was more durable. I could go on.



    But do these miscalculations really mean it’s time for him to go?



    Most of the bad feeling goes back to the first year or so of the Obama presidency. And in hindsight, those decisions really weren’t so bad. To prove my point, let’s review a few areas where he supposedly messed up.
    A Few Rebuttals



    From the left: “He should have pushed for a much bigger stimulus in 2009.”



    That’s the view of New York Times columnist Paul Krugman, now gospel among liberals. It’s true economically but bears no relationship to the political truth of that period. Consider that in December 2008, Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell, a hardcore liberal Democrat, proposed a $165 billion stimulus and said he would be ecstatic if it went to $300 billion. President- elect Obama wanted to go over $1 trillion but was told by House Democrats that it absolutely wouldn’t pass. In exchange for the votes of three Republicans in the Senate he needed for passage, Obama reduced the stimulus to $787 billion, which was still almost five times Rendell’s number and the largest amount that was politically possible.



    From the right: “The stimulus and bailouts failed.”



    When Obama took office, the economy was losing about 750,000 jobs a month and heading for another Great Depression. The recession ended (at least for a while) and we now are adding several thousand jobs a month — anemic growth, but an awful lot better than the alternative. How did that happen? Luck?
    Fed, Stimulus, TARP



    All the bellyaching ignores that the Federal Reserve’s emergency policies stabilized the financial system, and that the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office estimates that the stimulus increased economic growth and saved or created millions of jobs. According to the Treasury Department, taxpayers will end up actually making money on the bank bailouts under the Troubled Asset Relief Program, which Obama inherited from the previous administration.



    The Republican alternative for job creation wasn’t tax cuts (the stimulus contained almost $300 billion in tax cuts) but deficit reduction and rolling back regulation. I’ve yet to see a single economist convincingly argue how either would have reversed the catastrophic job losses.



    From all sides: “He took his eye off jobs by pushing health care.”



    Not really. Health care consumed enormous time and political capital in late 2009 and early 2010. But with the stimulus new and still being absorbed (with remarkably little scandal) into the American economy, it’s not as if health care distracted the president from another jobs program in that period. Sure, he should have rhetorically “pivoted to jobs” earlier, but substantively it wouldn’t have made much difference. And Republicans have offered no evidence for their claim that the Affordable Care Act (which includes tax credits for small businesses) has contributed to current levels of unemployment. How could it? The program hasn’t even fully begun yet.



    The all-purpose explanation from the business community is “uncertainty.” We’re told that people, and enterprises, won’t invest because they aren’t sure about future taxes. This is a crock. “People invest to make money,” the noted lefty socialist Warren E. Buffett recently wrote in the New York Times, “and potential taxes have never scared them off.”



    Again, from all sides: “He looked weak during the debt- limit debate.”



    Yep. And if you were president and a group of extremists was pointing a gun at the head of the American economy, what would you have done? Invoking the 14th Amendment sounded satisfying, but a constitutional crisis layered on top of a debt-limit crisis would have been a fiasco, and probably would have ensured default as world markets spent months wondering who in the U.S. had the authority to pay our bills.
    Be Specific



    Elections involving incumbents are inevitably hire/fire decisions. With foreign policy mostly off the table, hiring a Republican means buying his or her jobs plan. Firing Obama means rejecting where he has come down on big decisions. He and Romney will unveil their jobs plans in September. In the meantime, I’d like to hear from Democrats, Republicans and especially independents who voted for Obama the last time but have given up on him now. Why?



    Your mission, Jim, should you decide to accept it, is to be specific and rational, not vague and visceral.




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    Quote Originally Posted by dj-chefron View Post
    I dont take anything the AP saids with a grain of salt.Remember their editor was going to be Mclames campain chief.during a debate they offered donuts to Mclame.The AP is like Pravda, just putting sugar into the Kool-aid
    Be it from the left or the right, the "lame stream media" excuse is pretty tedious
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall Jefferson View Post
    I've been throwing my hands in the air about this out-in-the-open extremism for awhile now and talking about how complacent everyone was for sometime now. Always the argument was "nobody is taking those idiots seriously". Well, guess what? A lot of those idiots are now in office and immediately fucking things up, and "Obama is the worst president ever" was a hell of campaign booster.
    True
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj-chefron View Post
    August 26, 2011 11:10 AM You Think Obama’s Been a Bad President? Prove It


    By Jonathan Alter

    Blah blah blah...........

    John Alter was a putz at Newsweek and he still is. Folks have to substantiate why they feel Obama isn't doing a good job? That's the kind of asinine thinking that loses elections
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Buddy Love Show View Post
    I don't agree

    He could have done many things differently but chose not to. His major gaffe was not connecting health care policy to economic well being ( a gaffe which he is still committing by not selling this now quite substantial benefit). Additionally, he has made concessions which have demoralized his base. There are many decisions he has made and which he must own. To suggest otherwise, after three years in office, is to imply that he has been a do-nothing president
    Yeah, he messed up with the economy and foreign policy. Focused too much on radical health care reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete_ is_ niccce View Post
    Obama let things get out of hand especially when they said in his face and to the public he will be a one term prez, I know they wasnt joking , maybe he did
    The key to being a good president is making things happen, by hook or by crook. It's a tough gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dal-Tex View Post
    Yeah, he messed up with the economy and foreign policy. Focused too much on radical health care reform.
    Yeah. That ACHA, based on RomneyCare and the GOP's own ideas 15 years ago, is soooo radical.

    As to the economy: Not sure what you mean by "messed up"? Do you mean O sould have pushed harder for a larger stimulus package? Most economists agree with you. Should he have included more tax cuts in that stimulus (the GOP preferred method of dealing with everything)? I don't know. $300 billion in near immediate tax cuts is pretty significant. Maybe tax cuts aren't theanswer. SHould he have promisied thet he'd kleep the unemployment rate at 8%? No.


    O's done many, many things right. Has he done some things that I don't agree with? Yes. I'm still voting for him. The GOP crop of candidates that could get the nod are all extremists. I won't vote for any of them. O's messed up, but not bad enough to vote him out. IMO.

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    Obama has shown is he's excels on the campaign trail and he's a good speech writer but isn't bold enough as president to get things done. That's probably due to a lack of experience. Let's implement change, stabalize the markets and get the job ball rolling. Then he coiuld have used that as leverage for health care reform. Or I don't care what the military says lets pull out most of our troops from the Middle East. It's much cheaper to have to occasional terrorits attack, better diplomacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dal-Tex View Post
    Obama has shown is he's excels on the campaign trail and he's a good speech writer but isn't bold enough as president to get things done. That's probably due to a lack of experience. Let's implement change, stabalize the markets and get the job ball rolling. Then he coiuld have used that as leverage for health care reform. Or I don't care what the military says lets pull out most of our troops from the Middle East. It's much cheaper to have to occasional terrorits attack, better diplomacy.
    While I'm convinced you exist here simply to troll us, the sad/scary part is that there are pockets of people in this country who would take this comment literally and agree with you.
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    I don't think I am allowed to comment on Obama on this board. I could tell this guy would not deliver "change" 2 weeks into his Presidency. He had a chance, but he never intended to take advantage of it. He just BS'd his way into the Presidency.......just like all politicians before him and all that will come after him. The fact that he is black doesn't change anything. Once he gave up the public option it was all over for him. That was the real test of whether he would stand up for the people that elected him or take orders from the corporate masters that put him in position to be elected.

    The sad thing is, if he loses to a moron like Gov Perry, nothing will change dramatically. Yes, things will get marginally worse, but it will not be a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Querck View Post
    I don't think I am allowed to comment on Obama on this board. I could tell this guy would not deliver "change" 2 weeks into his Presidency. He had a chance, but he never intended to take advantage of it. elected.e.
    http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-23/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

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    I am not going to go back and debate the healthcare bill again. Had Obama stood up for the people and fought for the public option his approval rating would be 60% and he would be a slam dunk to get re-elected. With the bill that was passed, he not only angered all the conservatives even more, but lost much of the enthusiasm from his supporters. This is where it all went wrong for him. (I still think he will get re-elected though).


    Quote Originally Posted by The Buddy Love Show View Post
    http://articles.cnn.com/2010-03-23/p..._s=PM:POLITICS

    Dal-Tex is an idiot. What's your excuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Querck View Post
    I am not going to go back and debate the healthcare bill again. Had Obama stood up for the people and fought for the public option his approval rating would be 60% and he would be a slam dunk to get re-elected. With the bill that was passed, he not only angered all the conservatives even more, but lost much of the enthusiasm from his supporters. This is where it all went wrong for him. (I still think he will get re-elected though).

    You stated that there was no change. The HR 3962 is a massive change. So massive that it's being fought tooth and nail by republicans. However, He has many more accomplishments to hang his hat on. I'll be off the iPad in a minute and post them.
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    Lets start with these links that give an all inclusive listing (and point out the nonsense that there has been "no change" for what it is)

    http://mediamatters.org/research/201001270003

    http://obamaachievements.org/

    The initiatives listed below are what I consider to be large “change” in the way government does business (your mileage may vary). While there are no specific initiatives labelled "Hooking up Quercks momma", many other folk have benefited. Especially people of color and the otherwise disenfranchised


    Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act // Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act of 2010 (March 2010)

    Dodd-Frank (DF) Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, the biggest financial reform law since the Great Depression

    Closed offshore tax safe havens, tax credit loopholes

    Derivatives must be traded transparently through a clearing house

    Established Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection

    Higher standards for sytemically important ($50 billion assets+) institutions, including annual stress tests and restrictions on bank acquisitions

    Established a credit card bill of rights

    Created new criminal penalties for mortgage fraud

    Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act; Instituted equal pay for women

    Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act to include gender, sexual orientation and disability

    Supported the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell

    Increased minority access to capital

    Improper Payments Elimination and Recovery Act – establishes a Federal “Do Not Pay” list.

    Cut prescription drug costs for Medicare recipients by 50% and began eliminating the plan’s gap

    Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act.

    Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court

    Appointed first black Attorney General, Eric Holder

    Eliminated abstinence-only funding in budget

    Provided affordable, high-quality child care

    Restored funding to the EEOC and the U.S. Department of Labor’s Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs

    Established White House Council on Women and Girls (Executive Order 13506)

    Brought greater alignment to sentencing guidelines for powdered versus crack cocaine

    Adopted Economic Substance tax doctrine

    Imposed limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House

    Imposed limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration

    Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Buddy Love Show View Post
    I'll be off the iPad in a minute and post them.
    Don't bother. There's no point.

    Your energy is better spent on someone that can actually/will actually vote, where it can make a difference
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