Sell the Feeling, Not the Sex

[TAC]

And your dancing is hella gay too

[SuzanneT]

And your dancing is hella gay too

[ngeso]

It was dark, dirty, and raw (at least it was in my world), and somewhere along the way it got pussified......JMJ

Pussified?

On another note, I've taught House Dance to little kids (middle schoolers to as young as 2nd graders) and the look on those kids faces blablabla....

[Coach Biskit]

Guess this is a good time for my yearly statement:

There is no unity in house music. Never has, Never will!

Carry on!!

[Myron]

Miami nightlife always been more about "glitz and glamour" and all the trappings than about "the music." You either try to build a small more "music and dance" oriented scene recognizing that it will always be very small, or you move some place that is more supportive of what you are doing.

[D J 1 3 8]

Demonizing sex is the first mistake in this ill-conceived plan

[mhd]

I discovered House Music in Salt Lake City in 2007 .

end of discussion

[JMJ]

end of discussion

That would make him the Godfather of Salt Lake City house......JMJ

[mhd]

That would make him the Godfather of Salt Lake City house......JMJ

Salt Lake City House - that don't even sound right

[JMJ]

Salt Lake City House - that don't even sound right

Bars close at 1am.....JMJ

[Martin Red]

As long as the sex isn't being sold to kids, which of course relates to mainstream music nowadays, kids listening to some fucked up lyrics and looking at some proper slappers gyrating in a slaggy fashion, Lady gaga, Rhianna etc etc etc etc. That should be the concern.

If adults want to act like VIP strippers whilst listening to some nonsense GeUTTA shit, actually, that's mainstream as well, errrm if they want to listen to Jay Z feat timbaland featuring Kanye West, featuring pitbull featuring kelly rowland featuring Paris Hiltons cunt, errrrrm if they want to listen to trance, actually all the trance heads are trying to make stuff like metro area did in 1999...urrrrrrm, graaaim (Properly pronounced:- Grime)which is rave remarketed, and rave was only the party never the music anyway, urrrrm if they want to listen to the shit where people show armpits whilst whooping like idiots AKA un-original over-marketed nonsense.

[D J 1 3 8]

Salt Lake City House - that don't even sound right

gettin' salty up in here

[ngeso]

Bars close at 1am.....JMJ

Ya gotta bring a sheet with a hole to get some.....

[mhd]

a big hole

[Martin Red]

What happened was my generation failed the current one.

How old are you ?, Personally, I think the current generation failed themselves.

[Martin Red]

I played center field in college.....JMJ

haahahahaaaa

I wore Pringle socks
but not with sandals
In 1984 it was a bad winter
I wore Diadora moonboots.

[Martin Red]

I just think the sexy side of the coin has been oversold (the David Guetta, Swedish House Mafia side of the culture)

Genration of brainwashed washed out suckers of satans devil gism, I don't even consider GUeTTA house, 4/4 pop ? or what the europeans used to call Euro pop... Hi NRG

I've taught House Dance to little kids (middle schoolers to as young as 2nd graders) and the look on those kids faces when they danced to House Music was one of "this is so much fun!".

Again perhaps a UK perspective, people invented their own dance, and didn't have to dance a certain way, there was an element of freedom, "house dance", do what the fuck you want to be honest, freedom, nobody cared, it wasn't step dancing, or some competition approved circle.., line dance, or ballroom, that was the point, you could do anything, it's wasn't a spectator sport, do what you do, end of story.

It aint fucking Zumba

(which btw, is jammed down your throat via your televisual box..which is exactly the sex being sold you speak of......look like the instructor, you want to fuck him her, you want to look like him or her so you can get fucked, and around we go..... marketing and sex, buy your tits, get zumba arse and electro abs so all you plastic motherfuckers can resemble ken and barby)

[JMJ]

Ya gotta bring a sheet with a hole to get some.....

To get laid in Salt Lake City, all you really have to do is be from out of town. Trust's.....JMJ

[bkny11203]

a big hole

LOL so wrong

[El Mayimbe]

And your dancing is hella gay too

now youve gone too far sir

[El Mayimbe]

This is one of the more insightful points on here, and it's one my DJ and production mentors have made several times before;........................................... .

tl:dr


we get what youre saying, we love your spirit, just brush up on the history books
dunno if youre some sort of "born again" religious person being a resident of Salt Lake City but to view SEX as a negative aspect to what David Guetta/SHM or anyone in the house music field is promoting is looking upon this whole thing in the wrong perspective

good luck with your ventures


ps. read up on merengue as well. as fun as it is, its origins are not that pretty
http://www.salsa-merengue.co.uk/reve...mer/part4.html

[dannydance]

tl:dr


we get what youre saying, we love your spirit, just brush up on the history books
dunno if youre some sort of "born again" religious person being a resident of Salt Lake City but to view SEX as a negative aspect to what David Guetta/SHM or anyone in the house music field is promoting is looking upon this whole thing in the wrong perspective

good luck with your ventures


ps. read up on merengue as well. as fun as it is, its origins are not that pretty
http://www.salsa-merengue.co.uk/reve...mer/part4.html

I'm an atheist. I also enjoy sex as much as the next guy. I just happen to have a more dance-centric connection to House Music than maybe most people, so that's the angle I push. It's not "SEX = BAD, DANCE = GOOD"...it's just "SEX = NOT THE POINT OF THE MUSIC...DANCING IS". That's my reality and it's the one I believe in.

Sex sells, which is why commercial pop music leans on sexual undertones to sell itself to the masses, but I think that's a shortsighted approach in the long term and does more to help the music publishers' pockets than the culture itself.

Good luck to you as well. By the way, I live in Miami now and the culture is just as small here proportion-wise as it was in Salt Lake. I consider that to be, again, a failing of the messaging, not a failing of the music.

For the record, to the (several) people who made jabs at Salt Lake City above: SLC has a small but thriving underground House Music scene of talented Deep, Soulful, Latin, Tribal, Minimal, Tech, Funky, Jacking, French, and Disco House DJs, some of which have been banging out the music since the 80s on local radio and others of which have long-running residencies that have brought out guys like Mark Farina, Jay Tripwire, Victor Simonelli, Julius The Mad Thinker, Doc Link, Stan Zeff, Sean Biddle, Hector Romero, Sean Miller, Benji Candelario, Willie Graff, Tedd Patterson, Ceballos, and literally dozens more through the past few years alone. I'm proud to have discovered House Music culture there and proud to have learned from DJs that could go head-to-head and toe-to-toe with those of any other city.

[ngeso]

[...] I just happen to have a more dance-centric connection to House Music than maybe most people [...]

Same here!

[BrazenMuse]

Brass Tacks:
1. When you say you have a more dance-centered connection than most...which sounds a little arrogant, btw...who exactly is included in "most"?

2. When you talk about SHM and Guetta, you are talking about a specific strain of dance music that appeals to a specific demographic. What demographic are you interested in? The same one? Define, for us, your sense of that demographic vs the one you are trying to reach if they aren't the same.

3. You don't talk about the realities of finding venues in which to have events and being able to meet the economic needs of all the entities behind the scenes: dj, promoter, club owner, city zoning boards, etc. Talk some about how this demographic you have in mind will manage to satisfy those needs.

[JMJ]

I'm an atheist. I also enjoy sex as much as the next guy. I just happen to have a more dance-centric connection to House Music than maybe most people, so that's the angle I push. It's not "SEX = BAD, DANCE = GOOD"...it's just "SEX = NOT THE POINT OF THE MUSIC...DANCING IS". That's my reality and it's the one I believe in.

But that's not reality. House began in the early-mid 80's (depending on which date you choose to go with), not in 2007, and surprisingly, not in Salt Lake City, although we thank them for their contributions. Alot of the music was VERY SEXUAL and so was the dancing.

People actually danced with ONE ANOTHER back then.

Listen to the lyrics from Hercules "7 Ways" - that should provide some clarity......JMJ