How many hunters are on this board?

[House]

Lately, my daughter has been expressing an interest in firearms. I'm figuring to start her on a Marlin .22 and target shooting. However, she is interested in taking down game. Anyone have any suggestions as to kids and hunting? (I'm not a hunter but I do enjoy firing weapons)

[Chuck P]

I have a ton of co-workers who hunt deer with their children, I think they have to get a permit for them here, but they all love it and swear by it, I jus love the meat they bring back, but they all rave about the bonding and such that goes on while hunting, they liken it to fishing..........

[panklady]

My only advice to her is to learn to love ORANGE; blaze orange that is.

[House]

Chuck, venison is very tasty. I have a couple of friends that bring in deer every year. They have meat for months. I should go hang out with them one day when they skin and process.

[bootyvaldovinos]

What's she wanna hunt (e.g. deer, turkey. squirrel, etc) and where (i.e. what state)? Definitely want a gun suited to particular game. Also, certain states stipulate certain firearms (e.g. shotguns rather than rifles).

[House]

What's she wanna hunt and where (i.e. what state)? Definitely want a gun suited to particular game. Also, certain states stipulate certain firearms (e.g. shotguns rather than rifles).

She wants to hunt deer. I told her that she probably wouldnt be able to do that any time soon as the most I would provide her with is a .22. As you know, its usually illegal to take deer with that caliber

[bootyvaldovinos]

You can get a really solid used deer rifle for $100-ish

[House]

My only advice to her is to learn to love ORANGE; blaze orange that is.

You know it. Safety is one of my biggest concerns. Additionally, there aren't a lot of people of color out in the bush (which is one of my concerns as well)

[House]

You can get a really solid used deer rifle for $100-ish

I'm thinking rimfire. So she's out of luck. Besides, she's a beginner

[The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove]

Certified, licensed and accomplished poon hunter.

[House]

I did some quick research. I'm fairly stunned. It appears that people of color don't do much hunting but we do fish

Here is US government data:

http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages...y/rpt_96-6.pdf

Here is an interesting commentary:

http://outdoorshow.wordpress.com/200...mericans-hunt/

Why don’t African Americans Hunt?
6
10
2009
By Donny Adair, President
African American Hunting Association, LLC

Dre and I walked for 4 hours soaking in many of the exhibits at the annual sportsman’s exhibition this past February. One constant was that we didn’t see any other Black people among the thousands who were talking to outfitters from all over the world, attending workshops and seminars and visiting with vendors. Dre, a wonderful thirteen year old boy whom I was fortunate to get matched up with by the Big Brothers Big Sisters Program, asked me the question I have been asking for years. “Why don’t African Americans participate very much in outdoor sports, especially hunting?
According to the most recent U.S Census estimates on the distribution of the U.S. population by race/ethnicity (2007) there are 37 million African Americans or about 12 percent of the total population. According to the U.S. Department of Fish and Wildlife data for the same year, only 1 percent of those who hunt are African Americans.
In the spring of 2008, in response to what I perceived as an opportunity and a need, I created the African American Hunting Association (AAHA) Website aahunt.com. The response from people all over the world has been exciting. The mission the African American Hunting Association LLC (AAHA) is to increase the number of African Americans and urban residents living in the United States involved in hunting, game management, shooting sports, and conservation. The values AAHA is founded on include the rights of all Americans to hunt for food and for sport, the rights of individuals to own and use firearms and other weapons in accordance with the Constitution of the United States and all applicable federal, state and local laws.
Also, last summer Greg Gordon owner of, NLE Media, who built the website, introduced the idea that we should co-produce an outdoor television show aimed at African Americans, who represent a vast untapped consumer market. Well, one thing led to another, and now we have completed the first season of 13 shows, which can be viewed on the website and DVD’s of the show can be purchased. The shows feature host Donny Adair, my 23-year old son Donnell, and other young African American hunters and fisherman. Donnell has been shooting since he was 6 years old and began hunting at age twelve .The hunts and fishing adventures were videotaped in Oregon (our home state), Idaho and Mississippi, which I call my adopted home state. The game harvested includes Chukar, Pheasants, Ducks, Geese, Blacktailed Deer, Whitetail Deer, Salmon, Sturgeon and other warm water fish. AAHA and NLE Media are now seeking sponsors to take their 30-minute show to the television airwaves.
The AAHA invites everyone who supports the mission, goals and objectives of our organization to participate with us regardless of their individual race, ethnicity, national origin, gender or sexual orientation. It is a multi-cultural organization. All are welcome to join AAHA. The goals and objectives are work to promote better understanding and acceptance of the sport of hunting at the local, regional and national level; and to increase involvement of African American individuals and families in hunting and associated outdoor sports such as camping, hiking, fishing biking, photography, etc. The AAHA will increase the opportunity for African American hunters to obtain state of the art or the best hunting equipment each hunter can afford. The AAHA will provide increased opportunities for African Americans to enjoy the great outdoors, regionally, nationally and internationally.

[House]

Certified, licensed and accomplished poon hunter.

INDEEEEEEED!!

lol

[House]

Some snowy day research. I ordered the kindle e-book:

http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/745

In Hunting and Fishing in the New South: Black Labor and White Leisure after the Civil War, Scott Giltner delivers an intriguing and thoughtful survey of sporting cultures and racial identity in the postbellum South. The study, which, as the author notes, evolved from ‘masters proposal to dissertation to book’ (p. 179), offers the reader an innovative glance at race relations through the medium of sporting pursuits: certainly a fresh framework in which to explore much worked over ground. Racial dynamics represent the cornerstone of Giltner’s interest, and, in a series of chapters, he considers various attributes of Southern hunting with a view to determining the complex negotiations between white elites and freed blacks in the New South.
Chapter one explores the importance of subsistence and market hunting to African-American socio-economic livelihoods while pointing out the tensions regarding black labor emerging in the post-Civil War South. As Giltner elaborates, at a time when many whites sought to rebuild a society based on their own racial and economic superiority, African Americans saw in the hunt a route towards personal freedom and economic liberty. The book details how hunting and fishing served up useful nutritional supplement to those with scarce resources and suffering dislocation. The game-rich lands of the South represented a ‘paradise for poor folks’ (p. 20), especially given the sleuth of firearms available after the Civil War. For disgruntled white elites, meanwhile, acts of market and subsistence hunting by former slaves became a matter of sharp debate. As Giltner remarks, ‘at the close of the war, Southern planters faced not only humiliating defeat but also the possible loss of control over their entire labor supply’ (p. 120). Chapter two continues this tale of tension and racialized codes by turning to explore how the elite sportsmen of the South emerged as willing allies in the landowners’ quest to circumscribe black hunting. Just as farmers worried about a black population living independently of white control through hunting receipts so too did the sportsmen target African-American activities. For them, concern galvanized around the idea of the black hunter as a competitor for game and a threat to the particular aristocratic white hunting culture of the Anglo-Saxon gentleman-hero. Significantly, as Giltner illuminates, nostalgic allure for a vibrant (yet fictive) Old South, full of pliant slaves and abundant animals, informed the sporting elite’s idea of a hunter’s paradise. Far from just a roseate vision of the ‘grand old days’, this elevation of the antebellum South broadcast decisive messages about proper racial divisions in the sporting field (and indeed society in general). Thus, set against the gentleman hunter described by H. P. U. (an Ohio sportsman) in the prominent journal Forest and Stream (1881) as a ‘thorough-going business man … and not a loafer, dead-beat, nor bummer’, ‘a votary of art and science’ and a lover of ‘the true and beautiful, wherever found’ (p. 54) were construed stereotypes of the African-American hunter as trigger-happy, inferior, uninformed and mercenary. However, with editorials from the likes of Forest and Stream issuing fervent criticism of African-American hunting excesses (and thereby successes), the white elite appeared in danger of undercutting their own assumed superiority in the field. As Giltner explains, ‘If whites acknowledged the damage done of black sportsmen, they risked calling attention to lost racial control and narrowing the distance between themselves and their supposed sporting inferiors. If, preferring to uphold whites’ supposed mastery of the Southern sporting field, they held to the notion that African Americans could not be effective sportsmen, they risked downplaying the wildlife depletion and delaying its remedy – the restriction of blacks’ customary rights. In the end, they chose a middle approach that explained both African-American sportsmen’s regrettable effectiveness and their predictable shortcomings as symptomatic of racial inferiority’ (p. 76). As explored in chapters three and four, the only appropriate place assigned to African-Americans in the postbellum elite hunting culture was as hired hands for the white well-to-do classes. As guides, teamsters, camp-tenders and dog handlers, Southern blacks participated in the sporting life and contributed to an emerging tourist industry. Giltner suggests here that such a process allowed African Americans to become ‘an indispensable part of the Southern sporting experience’ (p. 81), and saw many reap considerable gains from their endeavours. As well as pay, hired laborers sometimes took home the catch of the day and also acquired stocks of ammunition, tackle, even firearms for use in their private hunting pursuits. This allowed African Americans a ‘niche in the new sporting system’ (p. 81), but, as Giltner is keen to point out, did not signal a spirit of biracialism or communitarian sentiment to this arrangement. Power relations and the assumed inferiority of African-Americans consistently informed the hunting experience, as evidenced by the descriptions of an ‘colored peasantry’ in the pages of American Sportsman magazine (p. 83). Meanwhile, attempts to regulate hunting in the South through licenses and firearms laws (the subject of chapter five) took on a decidedly racialized air, in the process tempering the claims of academics (for instance, John Reiger in American Sportsmen and the Origins of Conservation (1)) who have presented the 19th-century elite hunting fraternity as altruistic conservationists. Instead, Giltner argues, the swathe of hunting regulations in the South after 1915 paid heed to the aligning forces of landowners, sportsmen and tourist interests, who combined financial motivations with modish Jim Crow sentiments to issue an attack on environmental exploitation by African Americans. This brand of racial conservation was starkly evident in the Ziegler Bill (1915), a piece of legislation aimed at 17 of the 44 counties in South Carolina. Of those targeted, only three sported a predominantly white population.

Hunting and Fishing in the New South tenders a valuable addition to scholarship on the racial constitution of the New South and to environmental history. Identity is located at the core of this work – whether that be the role of hunting in African-American communities or the conjuring of an aristocratic-style sporting life based around the powerful landscape (in both ecological and symbolic terms) of the plantation. Giltner displays considerable skill and uses a wealth of first-hand resources to convincingly unpack the mentality of the elite white sportsman. What is slightly less well worked over is the perspective of the African-American hunter. Given the rich tradition of black hunting that Giltner alludes to, the study would benefit from a deeper analysis of African-American attitudes. How did the African-American hunter describe the terrains and the animals he encountered in the post-Emancipation South? Under what terms do black narratives reveal the uncultivated land beyond the ordered world of the plantation as both a larder and a locus for liberation? How did African-Americans construct their hunting personas in terms of history or socio-economic foundations? Class and gender issues also receive rather cursory treatment. Such caveats aside, the book does a good job at highlighting the different subcultures at work in American hunting, and blazes a worthy trail in pointing to the importance of hunting for marginalized groups. Another aspect deserving of mention is the important regional perspective provided by this survey. Giltner successfully avoids the polemics of anti- and pro-hunting common to the lexicon and instead delivers an informed, analytical historical work centred on Southern traditions and practices. The work successfully avoids creating a victimology and offers a balanced appraisal of hunting cultures. Of particular interest in this regard is the notion of an imagined South and its relationship with national unity and urban/rural dynamics. As Giltner elaborates, ‘The South’s emergence as a leading sporting destination heralded economic and cultural reunion between North and South. Thousands of visitors from around the country and across the world journeyed to Dixie seeking both ready supplies of fish and game and an “authentic” Southern experience’ (p. 7). Of course, the fantasy landscape of plenty, hospitality, animal abundance and leisuredom that Giltner delineates here is not uniquely Southern. Such descriptives also marked the 19th-century West (my own home turf), and the book might connect more adroitly with national sporting literatures and narratives of conquest. Thinking, for a moment, of the Western context, many of the slurs and stereotypes thrown at Southern blacks might be usefully compared to the Native American hunter. Giltner has little to say about the West (to be fair though, it does fall beyond the purview of his study), however his comment that ‘elite hunters of the West … who used the sporting ethos to disestablish competing traditions of Native Americans’ (p. 115) overlooks a complex relationship of emulation as well as subjugation at work on the plains and in the Rockies. Perhaps the greatest insights Giltner offers in Hunting and Fishing in the New South concern the plantation and its typologies of hunting. This heady and constructed landscape redolent with historical connections, a lengthy cultivated past and an association with aristocratic living contrasts sharply with a Western sporting theatre predicated on wilderness and the pioneer-everyman hero-hunter.
All told, Hunting and Fishing in the New South provides a provocative regional study that highlights the value of approaching the American past from a socio-environmental perspective. The story of hunting in the South between 1865 and 1920 offers a rich and layered narrative that, as Giltner notes in the conclusion, remains full of contradictions. Sporting pursuits provided a path of liberation and economic freedom for African Americans, yet at the same time, allowed white elites to both recreate and revel in the master-servant relationships of the antebellum past. Tourist and conservation impulses also betrayed a tendency to glorify the conformities and power structures of the Old South. A close study of hunting rights and cultures thus offers a great opportunity to elucidate all the ambiguities and racial tensions of the South in the late 19th and early 20th century. Phrased in sporting parlance, the blend of race and environmental exigencies in Hunting and Fishing in the New South is a pretty good catch.

[Chuck P]

Chuck, venison is very tasty. I have a couple of friends that bring in deer every year. They have meat for months. I should go hang out with them one day when they skin and process.

Just got a fresh batch of venison jerky sticks for the games tomorrow along with some smoked venison sausage, the shit is the goods........

Got a 12 pack of a nice IPA, a nice btl of wine and some venison sausage and jerky sticks and its going to be on.........

[bkny11203]

Certified, licensed and accomplished poon hunter.

werdz

[bootyvaldovinos]

I'm thinking rimfire. So she's out of luck. Besides, she's a beginner

After a couple decades, my wife started deer hunting again this last year. If ur daughter wants to hunt in SW WI I'm sure she'd be willing to get her set up and take her out.

We also do full on home-raised, slaughtered, butchered, preserved, etc livestock. Rendering beef tallow right now and had 20 some new baby goats born yesterday all make it though the subzeros. I know ur interested in self sufficiency, etc; if ya ever wanna see our set up.

[The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove]

INDEEEEEEED!!

lol

I'm like Quint in this bitch.

[House]

After a couple decades, my wife started deer hunting again this last year. If ur daughter wants to hunt in SW WI I'm sure she'd be willing to get her set up and take her out.

We also do full on home-raised, slaughtered, butchered, preserved, etc livestock. Rendering beef tallow right now and had 20 some new baby goats born yesterday all make it though the subzeros. I know ur interested in self sufficiency, etc; if ya ever wanna see our set up.

Thank you for your most generous offer

[sammyrock]

http://hunting.about.com/library/weekly/aa000302a.htm

[MarkK]

I did some quick research. I'm fairly stunned. It appears that people of color don't do much hunting but we do fish

Bull HOOKEY! Black folks hunt and they love it. I met some wonderful black hunters near my parents place in Delaware they let me run a bit with their dogs, we did not shoot any rabbits but it was fun. I would say the black hunters I know tend to be older men, so maybe its not being passed on.

Mark, deer hunting is ok but its boring as shit. You sit around for ages in freezing cold. If you are lucky enough to shoot one, its imperative (ethical) that you and your daughter know exactly how to field dress a deer and this not easy at all.

What state are you in? Many states require a hunter's safety education class before any youth (and in some states Adults) receive a license to hunt. This is a great first step for you and your daughter.

A .22 is a fine first gun, and its a good gun for shooting squirrel. That was my first kill, and I ate. Its imperative that you teach her that hunting is about a deep respect for the animal and that you never kill anything you won't eat or provide to others to eat. Trophy hunting is, imho, wrong.

I think you are in NY? You have some fine duck and geese hunting in Long Island for sure. You may also have some hunting clubs where one can pay to shoot pheasants, chukkars, etc. They are raised in captivity and then released so you can hunt them. I generally don't like this type of hunting, but in this day and age, finding a pheasant or other upland game on the east coast is difficult.

NY Hunter education: http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/7860.html

[MarkK]

After a couple decades, my wife started deer hunting again this last year. If ur daughter wants to hunt in SW WI I'm sure she'd be willing to get her set up and take her out.

We also do full on home-raised, slaughtered, butchered, preserved, etc livestock. Rendering beef tallow right now and had 20 some new baby goats born yesterday all make it though the subzeros. I know ur interested in self sufficiency, etc; if ya ever wanna see our set up.

My Mom is from Winona, MN and I did quite a bit of duck hunting in Wisconsin. In fact, during his lifetime, my late grandfather Clarence Thorpe (who did not even finish the 8th grade) put together about 180 arces of land on the Mississippi river north of Winona that he eventually gave to the state to serve as a wildlife management area.

[MarkK]

Waiting for Chuckles to chime in and call MarkB a killer like he did to me.....

[MarkK]

My only advice to her is to learn to love ORANGE; blaze orange that is.

Not if you are hunting anything with good eyes like duck or geese. That being said, I would not talk a walk in the woods in most part of the US during deer season without orange all overs!

[MarkK]

Where ever you live, you can find trap and skeet clubs, and she can use a 20 guage (or even a smaller .410) shotgun for sure. It is quite a lot of fun to shoot moving targets and must good clubs have youth programs.

[House]

Bull HOOKEY! Black folks hunt and they love it. I met some wonderful black hunters near my parents place in Delaware they let me run a bit with their dogs, we did not shoot any rabbits but it was fun. I would say the black hunters I know tend to be older men, so maybe its not being passed on.



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Not saying blacks don't hunt. I am saying that very few hunt. It's easy to quantify as one needs a license. These are the stats:


http://wsfrprograms.fws.gov/Subpages...y/rpt_96-6.pdf