Whitney's Funeral

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

Really? If they put THEMSELVES ahead of anything they would not be an addict. It has been long been hypothesized that drug abuse can stem from esteem issues. If that hypothesis is true then how can they love themselves more than anything if at all?

You're over-thinking it. Again, if you've ever been responsible for an addict, or had a substance abuser responsible for you in some capacity, the first thing you learn is logic, reason and process is eliminated from your life. It takes over, period. Underlying issues are buried underneath the physiological dependency of the substance. It becomes a part of you. Your entire body chemistry changes.

Underlying issues become overarching excuses. Nothing but the grace of the Divine saves the substance addict, man. All that other shit is what folks say to themselves when they're looking for reasons not to have their own loved one locked up for stealing their shit to pay for their high.

[House]

Really? If they put THEMSELVES ahead of anything they would not be an addict. It has been long been hypothesized that drug abuse can stem from esteem issues. If that hypothesis is true then how can they love themselves more than anything if at all?

Chuck. Addiction is the most selfish behavior a person can partake in. Many books and articles have been written on the subject (No. I won't do the research for you. Look it up. You're on the web). I won't bother arguing with you. You'll defend the nonsensical until the end by citing endless "possibilities" and "hypotheses" summed up by the word "if".

[DaBownca]

Chuck. Addiction is the most selfish behavior a person can partake in. Many books and articles have been written on the subject (No. I won't do the research for you. Look it up. You're on the web). I won't bother arguing with you. You'll defend the nonsensical until the end by citing endless "possibilities" and "hypotheses" summed up by the word "if".

Bullshit. While I agree with the first sentence, just because you are selfish or self centered that doesn't translate into loving yourself. And just because one doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean that their one is defending the nonsensical. Like Danny said ultimately it is primarily chemical yet at the outset when deciding to do the drug or drugs, given all the images and coverage, you really think that is an act of self love? Oh yeah you won't bother arguing with me.
Danny once again wise words yet while it has been argued there can be a genetic predisposition what about the road to addiction?

[JMJ]

You're over-thinking it.

How is this possible?......JMJ

[House]

Bullshit. While I agree with the first sentence,

The first sentence is what I've been writing all along and what you have been disagreeing with

You're typing for the activity

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

Danny once again wise words yet while it has been argued there can be a genetic predisposition what about the road to addiction?

I read a UCLA study that offered strong evidence for a genetic predisposition to meditation and yoga. The association was that folks who were already physiologically inclined to crave it's effects seek it out more than those who may not be predisposed. Some may argue that this is the case with anything.

And yet factor in that which separates humans from the other animals: WILL.

Me, I find will to be rooted in strength of constitution. Some folks ain't got the strength of constitution to sit around drink and drugs and let it pass them by. Some folks can enjoy a line of cocaine once in a while and not crave it or it's effects. Some folks can't look at people smoke or drink or snort without relapsing into the dementia of addiction.

Look at their kid for example. Bobbi Kristina is at the funeral of her mother who died of an overdose thinking about getting high. Her parents were unrepentant drug abusers. The same cocoon of enabling that made it okay for her moms to wind up strung out and dead is now taking care of her. Those odds seem insurmountable, man. There's a reason why people go to prison just to get clean. There's a reason why rich people lock their addicted relatives in towers. There's some logic to inpatient programs out in remote areas where folks lock themselves away from everyone and everything they know to dry out. Addicts lack the constitution to withstand the craving. If they don't live completely austere lives locked away from any and all liberal influences, they will seek it again, and bring down their loved ones with them.

Which came first - the drug or the predisposition to drug use? Who can say? The way I see it, a true drug addict is a zombie - not alive, but not all the way dead. They walk around and take a place amongst others, but they're not there. They live in a state of perpetual death. Some folks dry out and stay away from their addicted substance for decades, but it's there and it constantly calls them and controls them. That's what I mean by Divine grace. It's anyone's call what happens, but you can rest assured that life is forever altered and the only thing that makes them comfortable are other addicts and addictive substances.

I find that addicts are content to create other addicts just to feel comfortable in their world of addiction. Didn't Whitney and Bobby create Bobbi Kristina? Hasn't she been an addict since she was 14?

It's hell on earth, man. It's walking death. Rationalizing it only widens its spread.

[House]

"Learning to love yourself" isn't the greatest love of all. Learning to love someone else is. Junkies with children are the most selfish people on earth as they put themselves ahead of their kids

They put their habit (not themselves) ahead of everything.
@ Danny thank you wise words.

Chuck. Addiction is the most selfish behavior a person can partake in. Many books and articles have been written on the subject (No. I won't do the research for you. Look it up. You're on the web). I won't bother arguing with you. You'll defend the nonsensical until the end by citing endless "possibilities" and "hypotheses" summed up by the word "if".

Bullshit. While I agree with the first sentence, just because you are selfish or self centered that doesn't translate into loving yourself. And just because one doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean that their one is defending the nonsensical. Like Danny said ultimately it is primarily chemical yet at the outset when deciding to do the drug or drugs, given all the images and coverage, you really think that is an act of self love? Oh yeah you won't bother arguing with me.
Danny once again wise words yet while it has been argued there can be a genetic predisposition what about the road to addiction?

You're defending the nonsensical because thats what you like to do. Thats why its one joke after another

You want to continually attack every word I say? Then I suggest that you think about every word that you write. However, as you noted in a previous post, you didnt spend much time "musing" (thinking) about what it is that I wrote, you just responded. Thus, we have the situation where folks are posting pics of exploding heads and insulting your intelligence

Reading isnt so fundamental

[DaBownca]

You're defending the nonsensical because thats what you like to do. Thats why its one joke after another

You want to continually attack every word I say? Then I suggest that you think about every word that you write. However, as you noted in a previous post, you didnt spend much time "musing" (thinking) about what it is that I wrote, you just responded. Thus, we have the situation where folks are posting pics of exploding heads and insulting your intelligence

Reading isnt so fundamental

I don't attack every word you say but if I see something where I have a point of contention I'm speaking on it. I'm not like some of these cats who are cowed by your intellect. I respect it ....admire it...but am not cowed by it. Also attacking is your steelo. If have have a counterpoint or opposing point of view I'm speaking on it. All the exploding gifs in the world will never stop that. See I have no fear of being wrong or being proven wrong. I spent enough time "musing" to grasp what you meant I just said i didn't agree. I also am not falling for the tactic where you highlight SOME of my sentence (like you've done to many others) to make it seem like you are the only sane person in the conversation. Or maybe in this case I missed it. I will reiterate in full just in case that is the case. Being selfish and self centered is not the SAME AS LOVING YOURSELF. As a matter of fact that can be a certain sign of self loathing.

[Martin Red]

whomp whomp whomp since all you can hear is Charlie Brown's teachers voice translation I won't argue because you've already decided not to hear me.

I'm listening to YOU, but those were cop out sentiments spewed by the media that you simply repeated.

Happy to talk to you

[DaBownca]

I read a UCLA study that offered strong evidence for a genetic predisposition to meditation and yoga. The association was that folks who were already physiologically inclined to crave it's effects seek it out more than those who may not be predisposed. Some may argue that this is the case with anything.

And yet factor in that which separates humans from the other animals: WILL.

Me, I find will to be rooted in strength of constitution. Some folks ain't got the strength of constitution to sit around drink and drugs and let it pass them by. Some folks can enjoy a line of cocaine once in a while and not crave it or it's effects. Some folks can't look at people smoke or drink or snort without relapsing into the dementia of addiction.

Look at their kid for example. Bobbi Kristina is at the funeral of her mother who died of an overdose thinking about getting high. Her parents were unrepentant drug abusers. The same cocoon of enabling that made it okay for her moms to wind up strung out and dead is now taking care of her. Those odds seem insurmountable, man. There's a reason why people go to prison just to get clean. There's a reason why rich people lock their addicted relatives in towers. There's some logic to inpatient programs out in remote areas where folks lock themselves away from everyone and everything they know to dry out. Addicts lack the constitution to withstand the craving. If they don't live completely austere lives locked away from any and all liberal influences, they will seek it again, and bring down their loved ones with them.

Which came first - the drug or the predisposition to drug use? Who can say? The way I see it, a true drug addict is a zombie - not alive, but not all the way dead. They walk around and take a place amongst others, but they're not there. They live in a state of perpetual death. Some folks dry out and stay away from their addicted substance for decades, but it's there and it constantly calls them and controls them. That's what I mean by Divine grace. It's anyone's call what happens, but you can rest assured that life is forever altered and the only thing that makes them comfortable are other addicts and addictive substances.

I find that addicts are content to create other addicts just to feel comfortable in their world of addiction. Didn't Whitney and Bobby create Bobbi Kristina? Hasn't she been an addict since she was 14?

It's hell on earth, man. It's walking death. Rationalizing it only widens its spread.

I hear you on that but just so we are clear you didn't think I was rationalizing it did you? I was really attempting to debate the love of oneself or lack thereof's role in addiction.

[Martin Red]

[DaBownca]

I'm listening to YOU, but those were cop out sentiments spewed by the media that you simply repeated.

Happy to talk to you

I speak of music via what I've witnessed and Whitney in the States was more Pele than Beckham. That being said I don't think ANY funeral should be televised or media covered, but the world doesn't revolve around what I think.

[House]

Being selfish and self centered is not the SAME AS LOVING YOURSELF.

Who is making that argument?

[liL Ray]

Cissy is something else...it is being reported that Cissy did not like Aretha interview on the Today show and nix Aretha appearance at the funeral. Now folks are giving Aretha flack for missing Whitney's funeral but performing later that night at Radio City Music Hall...and Cissy rides off in the sunset...

http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/19/whitne...updatedstories

That whole family seems to always be embroiled in drama...

[DaBownca]

Who is making that argument?

Irrelevant at this point.Peace.

[House]

Irrelevant at this point.Peace.

Translation: Nobody

Peace

[Mike Barnes]

On the low, LA Sunshine took Moe's(Kool Moe Dee), Royalty check that LA had picked up for himself and Moe at Sugarhill records, Too purchase weight(Cocaine), in 1984(LA was a mad fiend on mission with his in regards to LA's drug use during the early to mid 80's), LA stated that Moe was very dis-appointed that LA would succumb to drugs in a manner to steal from cats that he is crew with, Which prompted LA to seek help for his drug addiction in 1984(A few weeks before The

Treacherous 3 we're set to perform on the hiphop show, Graffetti Rock', With Run-DMC in 1984, Moe elected not to put LA Sunshine down with the, 'Graffetti Rock', Hiphop show because of LA's drug habit(Which was mad out of control), Well, LA cleaned himself up in 1984/85, Too the point where Moe put LA down as one of his dancers as well as LA being in charge of Choregraphy for Moe's dancers as well, Also, Hollywood(Dj Hollywood), Had a very bad drug habit during the 70

's and 80's too(Hollywood used to run with cats like Guy Fisher who was second in command to Nicky Barnes on the movin weight circuit in New York during the early 70's to 1977, When Nicky Barnes was popped for drug trafficking, Murder, Running a criminal empire, Etc, At which time Guy Fisher took over Nicky Barnes's empire from 1977 to 1982, When Guy Fisher was popped for drug Trafficking, Tax evasion, Etc, Hollywood stepped out of the limelight of New York city for a few

To receive treatment for his drug addiction which he has successfully been drug free since the early 90's, Danny, MarkB, It's a shame that those close to Whitney Houston who had successfully overcome they're drug addiction(Exhibit A:Khandi Alexander from the TV show, 'News Radio', During the mid to late 90's), Could not convince Whitney Houston to have the strength to overcome her drug addiction(I'm very sure Khandi Alexander tried as best she could).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[DaBownca]

Translation: Nobody

Peace

If you must you were. Stop being a dick.
Please see post 42 for where you started down that path.

[Chuck P]

Have not read a word yet, but let me guess, Chuck is missing the point.......

[Martin Red]

I read a UCLA study that offered strong evidence for a genetic predisposition to meditation and yoga. The association was that folks who were already physiologically inclined to crave it's effects seek it out more than those who may not be predisposed. Some may argue that this is the case with anything.

Born this way, very dodgy ground to go down. End up in Nature vs Nurture debate, and people don't generally want to end up discussing anything in the area of eugenics.

Are they born that way ?, or.. was it they were clinically dead for 10 seconds and they're mental make-up was changed, LSD opened up some new pathways, stopped drining, chemical balance, they watched people smoking on Thunderbirds and Tom & Jerry as a child, they had a bang on the head, X Y Y X, OxO, an incident at school, different amounts of love or guidance at home, they got high on petroleum fumes as they're mother was a mechanic, got high making model planes, had an operation involving synapse, got knocked off a bike...had to be given morphine, couldn't afford a holiday and wanted to escape their sunless concrete forest, wanted to fit in, nearly drowned and had vision of heaven, brother made absinthe, were much more intelligent than people around them so they needed alcohol or other chemicals to dumb down, everyone was doing it, you were abnormal if you didn't, what is normal, what is reality, the chicks dug it, lived near chemical factory, worked in an enviroment where ether was in the air, friend made fitted LSD insoles in their shoes, they were fucked up anyway, felt different so thought they'de try it, their idols used it, so they wanted to.........anyway, enough of yoga

Which came first - the drug or the predisposition to drug use?

As an example, say Cocaine. Cocaine came along before the word "addict", was used to help people in high altitudes. It was messed up by modern men in America many many years after, CIA got involved and shit commercial disco music was born

It's hell on earth, man. It's walking death. Rationalizing it only widens its spread.

True. But are we still talking about drugs here, or addiction to keep fit, or material gain, or Religion and being immortal on a higher than high with invisible god who loves you and fluffs your cloud pillows daily, or persons own self deluded worth or dreamt power...

[DaBownca]

Have not read a word yet, but let me guess, Chuck is missing the point.......

Yeah probably.........

[liL Ray]

Have not read a word yet, but let me guess, Chuck is missing the point.......

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

True. But are we still talking about drugs here, or addiction to keep fit, or material gain, or Religion and being immortal on a higher than high with invisible god who loves you and fluffs your cloud pillows daily, or persons own believed worth or dreamt power...

Can one alter their fate by altering their state? Yeah - I feel you on that Martin. It is an argument with dangerous implications.

[JMJ]

Have not read a word yet, but let me guess, Chuck is missing the point.......

That's not even a guess. Stop cheating!!......JMJ

[House]

On the low, LA Sunshine took Moe's(Kool Moe Dee), Royalty check that LA had picked up for himself and Moe at Sugarhill records, Too purchase weight(Cocaine), in 1984(LA was a mad fiend on mission with his in regards to LA's drug use during the early to mid 80's), LA stated that Moe was very dis-appointed that LA would succumb to drugs in a manner to steal from cats that he is crew with, Which prompted LA to seek help for his drug addiction in 1984(A few weeks before The

Treacherous 3 we're set to perform on the hiphop show, Graffetti Rock', With Run-DMC in 1984, Moe elected not to put LA Sunshine down with the, 'Graffetti Rock', Hiphop show because of LA's drug habit(Which was mad out of control), Well, LA cleaned himself up in 1984/85, Too the point where Moe put LA down as one of his dancers as well as LA being in charge of Choregraphy for Moe's dancers as well, Also, Hollywood(Dj Hollywood), Had a very bad drug habit during the 70

's and 80's too(Hollywood used to run with cats like Guy Fisher who was second in command to Nicky Barnes on the movin weight circuit in New York during the early 70's to 1977, When Nicky Barnes was popped for drug trafficking, Murder, Running a criminal empire, Etc, At which time Guy Fisher took over Nicky Barnes's empire from 1977 to 1982, When Guy Fisher was popped for drug Trafficking, Tax evasion, Etc, Hollywood stepped out of the limelight of New York city for a few

To receive treatment for his drug addiction which he has successfully been drug free since the early 90's, Danny, MarkB, It's a shame that those close to Whitney Houston who had successfully overcome they're drug addiction(Exhibit A:Khandi Alexander from the TV show, 'News Radio', During the mid to late 90's), Could not convince Whitney Houston to have the strength to overcome her drug addiction(I'm very sure Khandi Alexander tried as best she could).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

Mike

My boy from HS (not Eliot) is in rehab right this very minute. He and I are very tight. Over the past few years, I have refused to even bring a brewski to his crib because he is a notorious crackhead. I told him my reeasoning to his face and he tried to hand me that "everyone is an addict" jazz. I told him that while that may be true, most of us don't disappear for weeks on end and drain our bank accounts chasing a fix. He was so bad, that the last time I and a group of his friends showed up at his crib his moms thought it was an intervention. Anyways, I once told his brother that homey was getting high and that he should intercede on his brothers behalf. Well, instead of doing that, he proceeded to blame everyone else for his brothers misery. The unfortunate part is that out of all his peeps, I was the only one to call him a dopefiend to his face and to not get lifted with him (I have my rules). I had cats who called me a snitch over this (behind my back, of course) One day I decided to clear the air. I told them if they wanted to ignore this shit, that was on them. However, I wasnt going to watch my boy drown and hand him an anchor and I wasn't goinf to pretend that being an addict was cool

Too many of us enable the nonsense through all kinds of excuses and never wanting to call people out on their bullshit. Cats are dying because many of us in the community want to look the other way. Whitney Huston was a dope fiend. She was also a great singer. However, I won't overlook her faults because she could sing. This woman had a family. At some point, when one has a family that one is responsible for, one has to act in their interests and not in ones own. Those pics that Danny posted: her daughter got to see those and listen as we all laughed. That behavior, by Whitney and Bobby Brown, was mad foul.

Folks are acting as though her funeral was a cause for celebration instead of one of embarrassment for her and for the community at large. You can take the nigger out of the ghetto but you can't take the nigger out of the ghetto

That funeral was one of the most depressing spectacles I have seen in a while and I didnt watch it for more than a minute