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    Any one seen a source for this information? It's flying around FB today.


    Now we know why George Zimmerman didnt get arrested....#NoWords.......According to court records George Zimmerman is the son of retired Supreme Court Magistrate Judge Robert J Zimmerman, his mother Gladys Zimmerman is a court clerk....He has three closed arrests 7/18/05 for resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer div 10........8/9/05 for domestic violence div 44..... And again on 8/10/05 domestic violence div 46.#dropsthemic......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal Paradise View Post
    Any one seen a source for this information? It's flying around FB today.


    Now we know why George Zimmerman didnt get arrested....#NoWords.......According to court records George Zimmerman is the son of retired Supreme Court Magistrate Judge Robert J Zimmerman, his mother Gladys Zimmerman is a court clerk....He has three closed arrests 7/18/05 for resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer div 10........8/9/05 for domestic violence div 44..... And again on 8/10/05 domestic violence div 46.#dropsthemic......
    Only source I can see right now is this article:

    http://www.wdbo.com/news/news/rallie...n-marti/nLXJ7/

    It says:

    "In Dec 2008, Zimmerman applied to attend the Citizens Law Enforcement Academy. He offered info that he was arrested July 2005 in an incident involving undercover UCF officers.

    He was accepted and completed the program.

    Zimmerman said his father was a magistrate for Virginia Supreme Court and mother was a deputy court clerk. He stated that he had the utmost respect for law enforcement and aspired to be an officer someday."

    I've seen that misquoted numerous times/numerous ways. Take it for what it's worth for the time being.
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    There are lots of stories flying around now. I just hope this thing goes to court soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeesKo View Post
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    You know what I don't get about this whole "he attacked me & I feared for my life" argument?

    Regardless of who swung first, how the fuck is Zimmerman covered under the Stand Your Ground law but Trayvon Martin isn't?

    One person is walking home minding their own business, the other is actively stalking him.

    The subconscious predisposition to place Zimmerman as the only person standing his ground could be construed as a symptom of institutional racism. In every account I've heard of the dynamic between Zimmerman & Martin, Zimmerman is the one placed in the position of superiority in their relationship, either through Martin's requirement to not interfere with Zimmerman's attempts to harass him or through Martin's lack of equal access to a proper defense when it comes to explaining his reactions.
    In essence, one can "Stand Your Ground" and shoot someone, but not "Stand Your Ground" and punch someone? As many of the people in comments sections of news stories have put it...."What if both parties feel they are in danger?" "Does the person who pulls the gun second push daisies and the quicker draw get a pat on the back and a ride home"? This situation effectively makes Stand Your Ground states the Wild Wild West.

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    Tim Wise piece on the Backlash.
    http://www.timwise.org/2012/03/trayv...of-dred-scott/

    Trayvon Martin, White America and the Return of Dred Scott


    Posted on March 27, 2012
    For a while now we’ve known that there were significant numbers of white Americans who wanted to “take their country back” to some mythical period of the nation’s hagiographic past. We’ve known it because they’ve told us so, as often and endlessly as their lungs will allow.
    Little did we realize, however, that for at least some in the white community that prior era of glory was not merely the too-often-nostalgized 1950s — with its misremembered innocence still fresh in their minds — but rather, the 1850‘s. Not 1957, the year in which the CBS television network gave us Leave it to Beaver, but instead, 1857, the year in which the Supreme Court gave us its decision in Dred Scott.
    But now we know.
    It was there, after all, that the nation’s brightest, most accomplished and yet most ethically decrepit jurists reminded the nation that blacks “had no rights which the white man was bound to respect.” They could never be citizens, “entitled to all the rights, and privileges, and immunities, guaranteed by (the Constitution),” because the framers of that document (to whom the Court referred as “great men,” “high in their sense of honor”) had never intended them such. And much like today’s conservative theorists, who are equally enamored of the so-called “jurisprudence of original intent,” the highest court, beholden as it was to the insipid moral views of 18th century white supremacists, insisted things must stay that way.
    As the decision noted:
    “[T]he legislation and histories of the times, and the language used in the Declaration of Independence, show, that neither the class of persons who had been imported as slaves, nor their descendants, whether they had become free or not, were then acknowledged as a part of the people, nor intended to be included in the general words used in that memorable instrument (the Constitution).
    They had for more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order, and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations; and so far inferior, that they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect…This opinion was at that time fixed and universal in the civilized portion of the white race. It was regarded as an axiom in morals as well as in politics, which no one thought of disputing, or supposed to be open to dispute; and men in every grade and position in society daily and habitually acted upon it in their private pursuits, as well as in matters of public concern, without doubting for a moment the correctness of this opinion.”
    Importantly, and this is what is particularly relevant for our current discussion, the Court opined that blacks were clearly never intended to be considered citizens, for had they been so, such designation would have extended to such individuals the unacceptable right “to go where they pleased at every hour of the day or night without molestation, unless they committed some violation of law…”
    And this is what brings us to the terrifying present, a period some 155 years later, but during which time it appears there are still far too many in the white community (and even some among persons of color) who would return us to the logic of Dred Scott. This they make clear from their hateful and bigoted musings about Trayvon Martin, a 17-year old black male who made the mistake, in their mind, of forgetting that he had no rights which white men (or even Latino white-male-wannabes like George Zimmerman) need respect. No right to go where he pleased, “without molestation,” no right to be treated like a citizen, indeed like a human being. No rights to due process, to peaceably assemble on a public street, to free speech (which he foolishly tried to exercise by asking his pursuer, Zimmerman, why he was following him), to be free from cruel and unusual punishment (such as extra-judicial execution for being black in a hoodie and thus arousing the suspicions of a paranoid negrophobe). No rights at all.
    And not even the well-established right to self-defense — the very right Zimmerman would now claim for himself, but which apparently did not extend to the young man whose life he ended. And so we hear (whether true or not — it remains to be seen) that Zimmerman had a broken nose and head injuries, that Martin attacked him: never mind that Zimmerman took out after Martin, that Zimmerman accosted Martin and asked him what he was doing in the neighborhood, that, according to witnesses, it was Zimmerman who pinned Martin down. We are supposed to feel sorry for the shooter because even in the light most favorable to him, his victim might have actually fought back! Imagine that, fighting back against a total stranger who attacks you. That Martin would still be alive and Zimmerman would never have suffered the indignity of a broken septum, nor the anger of millions aimed in his direction had he just kept his stupid ass in his SUV like the police told him to do apparently matters not. Because, as some wish to remind us, Trayvon Martin had been suspended for school on suspicion of marijuana possession (an allegation so weak that he received no citation for the incident); and because Trayvondidn’t have a receipt for those Skittles he had in his possession when he was murdered (as if any 17 year old asks for a receipt when they purchase candy like they were going to need it for an expense report); and because Trayvon posed like a gangster on Facebook. Oh no, sorry, wrong Trayvon, but racists are like the Honey Badger–they don’t give a shit.
    The active and putrescent campaign of defamation now in full swing against this dead child is a reminder of just how little black life matters to some. No matter the facts, their deaths are always justified.
    These are the ideological soul mates of those who insisted Emmett Till really did say “Bye Baby” to that white woman, as if such an offense could even theoretically justify shooting him, tying a cotton gin fan to his neck with barbed wire, and tossing him in the Tallahatchie River.
    No rights which the white man is bound to respect.
    They are the iniquitous heirs of the white reprobates who insisted against all logic and evidence that Dick Rowland really did attack Sarah Page in that Tulsa elevator, and thus, it was necessary to burn the black Greenwood district of the city to the ground in retaliation.
    No rights which the white man is bound to respect.
    They are the fetid philosophical offspring of those whites who stood beneath the swinging bodies of Thomas Shipp and Abram Smith, whom they had lynched, content in their own certitude that they had — again, evidence be damned — raped a white woman.
    No rights which the white man is bound to respect.
    They are the vile and reeking progeny of those who insisted that even disrespecting white people was sufficient justification to affix black bodies to short ropes dangling from tall trees, to burn them with blowtorches, chop off body parts and sell them — or pictures of the carnage — as souvenirs.
    No rights which the white man is bound to respect.
    They are the odious inheritors of a time-honored and dreadful tradition, in which virtually no misdeed the target of which is black can simply be condemned for what it is, and then have such condemnation followed by a period at the end of the sentence. No, it is forever and always the case that such condemnations, when and if they issue at all, will inevitably be followed by a comma, and the word “but,” and the attempt, however clumsy and craven, to all but erase the condemnation in a word salad of imbecilic rhetoric and exculpatory exhortation.
    They are the carelessly cogitating companions of those who seek to brush aside the killings of Amadou Diallo, Patrick Dorismond, or any of the hundreds of other folks of color, who comprise the disproportionate share of unarmed persons killed by law enforcement in city after city across America over the years. They are always to blame for their own deaths.
    If they had just put their hands up, like they were asked.
    If they had just not run.
    If they had just answered the questions put to them politely and quickly.
    If they had just not grabbed for their keys or wallet.
    If they had just understood that the men dressed in plainclothes, pointing guns at them were police.
    If they had just not worn those clothes, or that hairstyle.
    If they just hadn’t seemed nervous.
    If they just hadn’t fit the description of some criminal the police were looking for, and by “fit the description” we mean had they not been black or brown, between 5 foot 8 and 6 foot 6, walking upright.
    Nothing is unacceptable to these people. Nothing. Their fear of blacks allows them to smooth over every bigoted crease in their racialized narrative, to make the indefensible defensible, in the name of their own perceived safety. Their pathological inability to look at black people as anything other than an undifferentiated mass of criminals, rather than encouraging us to condemn them for their utterly stupefying lack of discernment, and mentally diseased dysfunction, is to serve as a defense to every racist act. Black people are to bear the burden of everyone else’s mendacious and morally supine stupidity. Black people are to continue being profiled, suspected, and occasionally killed, so long as those conditioned by white supremacy are afraid of them. And that, we are to believe, is the fault of black people, not the rest of us.
    Because black people have no rights that the white man is bound to respect.
    A black president will have to prove, again and again, to the utter dissatisfaction of cretinous bottom-feeders, that he is really an American.
    A black college student will have to prove, again and again, to the utter amazement of benighted white undergrads that he or she really does belong in the University community to which his or her entrance was secured.
    A black teenager will have to prove that he isn’t a criminal, to the satisfaction of anyone who might think otherwise, lest they be tackled and shot.
    And some of us will continue trying to prove — as if there could, any longer, be a question about it — that white privilege is real. That any feeling, remotely thinking person could dispute it, when no white mother is having to have the talk with their sons that black mothers across America are routinely having with theirs (both before and after the killing of Trayvon Martin) tells you all you need to know about denial and its impermeability. It tells you all you need to know about the America of 2012, relative to that of 1857. For however much things have changed since then, one thing remains the same.
    Black people still have no rights which the white man is bound to respect.

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    I heard something in passing that Spike Lee did something stupid regarding this case, anybody know what it is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverbull View Post
    I heard something in passing that Spike Lee did something stupid regarding this case, anybody know what it is?

    He retweeted the address of the supposed killer but it was bad information. It was a 70 year old couple that had a son with a similar name but of no relation. A fuck up for sure but irrelevant to this case. Of course it's being used to divert attention away from the actual case itself by those that just wish we would all just leave "well" enough alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverbull View Post
    I heard something in passing that Spike Lee did something stupid regarding this case, anybody know what it is?
    He tweeted what was supposed to be Zimmerman's address, except it was an elderly couple's address instead. They had to bug out for fear of violence.

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    Edit: I had asked why Spike wouldn't apologized. Well he just did. https://twitter.com/#!/SpikeLee/stat...77177652862977
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    This is not the first time I have heard this argument being raised and I don't think it is the same simply because if the perpetrator of a black on black crime is found on scene he will at LEAST be arrested (there are other points Juan brings up and some I agree with)

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ntId%3D3963652

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBownca View Post
    This is not the first time I have heard this argument being raised and I don't think it is the same simply because if the perpetrator of a black on black crime is found on scene he will at LEAST be arrested (there are other points Juan brings up and some I agree with)

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...ntId%3D3963652
    Two different arguments, and the same logical fallacy. Reductio ad absurdum and contraposition.

    "Black people shouldn't have a problem with institutional racism since they don't value their own lives."


    It's the dead already defense of racism. It's what bigots usually turn to when our protests for overall change appear to be working. That Juan Williams suggests the argument, "Where are the protests against us killing our own?" is no surprise. Anyone with half an understanding of sociology understands black on black crime is a symptom of overall disenfranchisement within the American social stratum. It is as much a result of institutionalized racism as a singular homicide based upon racial profiling. Zimmerman isn't even a cop himself, nor is he totally white (by America's own racial standard), yet he is afforded protections by the courts and law enforcement because he murdered someone black in the name of standing against crime.

    Black = crime. Hispanic crime fighter › young black male. Then the push in the media to suggest he could have possibly been a bad kid...because that would make it justifiable. Like killing Hitler when he was still an art student.

    Stop killing yourselves and perhaps, maybe, we'll stop killing you. Make your lives worth something and we may leave you be.

    White people have a hard time seeing through this because the illusions of comfort and protection they and their families enjoy are based upon these notions.

    Protesting against black on black crime as separate from overall embedded and institutionalized racism is treating a symptom. The cure is to insist the powers that be accept the sanctity of black American life. We're reduced to a hoodie. We're reduced to victimhood by another black hand. We're reduced to a statement/mantra/figurehead/messiah. In 2012, a black life is still seen as 3/5ths the value of a white life. We are equal but separate, as opposed to separate but equal. Juan Williams asks the question, 'Where is the outrage for black on black crime?' It is picked up by white folks who can't see their own hand in black on black crime. It relieves the pressure of one's own white complicity in the destruction of black life through social reduction.

    The cycle perpetuates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island View Post
    Two different arguments, and the same logical fallacy. Reductio ad absurdum and contraposition.

    "Black people shouldn't have a problem with institutional racism since they don't value their own lives."


    It's the dead already defense of racism. It's what bigots usually turn to when our protests for overall change appear to be working. That Juan Williams suggests the argument, "Where are the protests against us killing our own?" is no surprise. Anyone with half an understanding of sociology understands black on black crime is a symptom of overall disenfranchisement within the American social stratum. It is as much a result of institutionalized racism as a singular homicide based upon racial profiling. Zimmerman isn't even a cop himself, nor is he totally white (by America's own racial standard), yet he is afforded protections by the courts and law enforcement because he murdered someone black in the name of standing against crime.

    Black = crime. Hispanic crime fighter › young black male. Then the push in the media to suggest he could have possibly been a bad kid...because that would make it justifiable. Like killing Hitler when he was still an art student.

    Stop killing yourselves and perhaps, maybe, we'll stop killing you. Make your lives worth something and we may leave you be.

    White people have a hard time seeing through this because the illusions of comfort and protection they and their families enjoy are based upon these notions.

    Protesting against black on black crime as separate from overall embedded and institutionalized racism is treating a symptom. The cure is to insist the powers that be accept the sanctity of black American life. We're reduced to a hoodie. We're reduced to victimhood by another black hand. We're reduced to a statement/mantra/figurehead/messiah. In 2012, a black life is still seen as 3/5ths the value of a white life. We are equal but separate, as opposed to separate but equal. Juan Williams asks the question, 'Where is the outrage for black on black crime?' It is picked up by white folks who can't see their own hand in black on black crime. It relieves the pressure of one's own white complicity in the destruction of black life through social reduction.

    The cycle perpetuates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite73 View Post
    White privilege is a muthafacka, isn't it?
    It's the #1 killer of black folks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolemite73 View Post
    White privilege is a muthafacka, isn't it?
    loving the insight convo taking place.


    Black on Black Crime indeed a symptom.

    and the assumption of White Priviledge is amazing.

    speak on it yall. Race Relations is soooo complicated and entangled. When there is initial injustice (i.e. RACISM, CLASSISM, SEXISM....) we ALL suffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island View Post
    Then the push in the media to suggest he could have possibly been a bad kid...because that would make it justifiable. Like killing Hitler when he was still an art student.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KBig View Post
    loving the insight convo taking place.


    Black on Black Crime indeed a symptom.

    and the assumption of White Priviledge is amazing.

    speak on it yall. Race Relations is soooo complicated and entangled. When there is initial injustice (i.e. RACISM, CLASSISM, SEXISM....) we ALL suffer.
    White privilege is a delimeter and social modulator. Other minorities are afforded rights without the risks because, as immigrants to the western cultural dynamic, providing them with all the trappings of American society doesn't impact the overall value of white privilege. In fact, it enhances it, because overtly, these folks assimilate and reassert the white cultural dynamic. They keep their names but change their dress, lose their accents, labor to fit in. There is no cultural erosion to white privilege.

    Black folks being black en masse is the single biggest threat to white privilege. That is why we are labeled criminals for it. This happened long ago. Critical thinking and the cessation of past stresses related to race is the answer, but white folks believe themselves to be the standard. Who would give that up? Since the day the first slave walked off the gang plank onto a harbor in New England so long ago, white and black have been tied as polar opposites in the American notion. That wasn't our doing, but that is paramount to the American cultural illusion. Period. No middle ground is allowed. For us to have commonality, a black man must be shot in the head. For us to have parity, we have to drop our perceived blackness. In doing so, we won't have black privilege, but at least we'll be safe from the white murder machine.

    The black murder machine, however, offers no such allowances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island View Post
    Two different arguments, and the same logical fallacy. Reductio ad absurdum and contraposition.

    "Black people shouldn't have a problem with institutional racism since they don't value their own lives."


    It's the dead already defense of racism. It's what bigots usually turn to when our protests for overall change appear to be working. That Juan Williams suggests the argument, "Where are the protests against us killing our own?" is no surprise. Anyone with half an understanding of sociology understands black on black crime is a symptom of overall disenfranchisement within the American social stratum. It is as much a result of institutionalized racism as a singular homicide based upon racial profiling. Zimmerman isn't even a cop himself, nor is he totally white (by America's own racial standard), yet he is afforded protections by the courts and law enforcement because he murdered someone black in the name of standing against crime.

    Black = crime. Hispanic crime fighter › young black male. Then the push in the media to suggest he could have possibly been a bad kid...because that would make it justifiable. Like killing Hitler when he was still an art student.

    Stop killing yourselves and perhaps, maybe, we'll stop killing you. Make your lives worth something and we may leave you be.

    White people have a hard time seeing through this because the illusions of comfort and protection they and their families enjoy are based upon these notions.

    Protesting against black on black crime as separate from overall embedded and institutionalized racism is treating a symptom. The cure is to insist the powers that be accept the sanctity of black American life. We're reduced to a hoodie. We're reduced to victimhood by another black hand. We're reduced to a statement/mantra/figurehead/messiah. In 2012, a black life is still seen as 3/5ths the value of a white life. We are equal but separate, as opposed to separate but equal. Juan Williams asks the question, 'Where is the outrage for black on black crime?' It is picked up by white folks who can't see their own hand in black on black crime. It relieves the pressure of one's own white complicity in the destruction of black life through social reduction.

    The cycle perpetuates.

    Couldn't agree more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island View Post
    White privilege is a delimeter and social modulator. Other minorities are afforded rights without the risks because, as immigrants to the western cultural dynamic, providing them with all the trappings of American society doesn't impact the overall value of white privilege. In fact, it enhances it, because overtly, these folks assimilate and reassert the white cultural dynamic. They keep their names but change their dress, lose their accents, labor to fit in. There is no cultural erosion to white privilege.

    Black folks being black en masse is the single biggest threat to white privilege. That is why we are labeled criminals for it. This happened long ago. Critical thinking and the cessation of past stresses related to race is the answer, but white folks believe themselves to be the standard. Who would give that up? Since the day the first slave walked off the gang plank onto a harbor in New England so long ago, white and black have been tied as polar opposites in the American notion. That wasn't our doing, but that is paramount to the American cultural illusion. Period. No middle ground is allowed. For us to have commonality, a black man must be shot in the head. For us to have parity, we have to drop our perceived blackness. In doing so, we won't have black privilege, but at least we'll be safe from the white murder machine.

    The black murder machine, however, offers no such allowances.
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    Pic's from the Trayvon Balloon Rally in Savannah, Georgia.

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    Interesting development

    http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cas...i-investigates

    SANFORD, Florida (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Chicago's ABC News 7 reports Monday that Trayvon Martin, the Florida teen who was shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer, made his own call to 911 just moments before his death. ABC News 7 reports the FBI is attempting to determine if 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s 911 call captured his killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman’s voice in the background, and if the audio can be enhanced to more clearly hear what was said. Rally in ChicagoMonday marked the one-month mark of Trayvon's shooting death, leading to rallies and protests across the nation. Among those protesting were over 200 people of different ages and different life experiences who marched peacefully with a police escort from Chicago's Millennium Park through the loop and back again. Some were students, some were veterans of the civil rights movement.

    Their bond is their outrage over the death of Trayvon Martin, said ABC News 7's Paul Meincke.
    Many marchers carried Arizona iced tea and Skittles, the same things Trayvon was carrying the night he was killed.
    Meincke said that among marchers was anger about the investigation that followed the shooting. Many, including Trayvon’s family, believe Zimmerman should be arrested.
    They demand the Justice Department digs deep into the shooting, the many who pulled the trigger, the actions of local law enforcement, and a Florida “Stand Your Ground” law that has stirred considerable controversy, Meincke said.
    Zimmerman claims he acted in self-defense and has not yet been charged.
    The Justice Department has opened a federal civil rights investigation that will run parallel to a county grand jury probe.
    On February 26, 2012, Trayvon Martin, 17, was walking to his father’s fiancée’s home in a gated condominium community in Sanford, Florida. He was returning from a convenience store after purchasing an Arizona iced tea and Skittles. Zimmerman started following Trayvon and called 911 saying he looked suspicious.
    During the call, Zimmerman admitted he was following Trayvon and the 911 dispatcher said, “OK, we don’t need you to do that.” It appears Zimmerman did not heed the dispatcher's suggestion and instead continued to pursue Trayvon.
    Because Trayvon is black and Zimmerman is white/Hispanic, the case has become a racial flashpoint leading to a series of protests across the nation.


    Continue reading on Examiner.com Trayvon Martin made his own 911 call before his death; FBI investigates - National unsolved cases | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cas...#ixzz1rEJIXN7P




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    Some of you are seriously tuned in....

    Op-Ed Contributor
    Playing the Violence CardBy KHALIL GIBRAN MUHAMMAD
    Published: April 5, 2012


    "EVER since the culture wars of the 1980s, Americans have been familiar with “the race card” — an epithet used to discredit real and imagined cries of racism. Less familiar, however, is an equally cynical rhetorical tactic that I call “the violence card.”

    Here’s how it works. When confronted with an instance of racially charged violence against a black person, a commentator draws attention to the fact that there is much more black-on-black violence than white-on-black violence. To play the violence card — as many criminal-justice advocates have done since the Rodney King police brutality case of the early 1990s — is to suggest that black people should worry more about the harm they do to themselves and less about how victimized they are by others. "

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/06/op...ml?ref=opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBownca View Post
    Interesting development

    http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cas...i-investigates

    SANFORD, Florida (Isabelle Zehnder reporting) -- Chicago's ABC News 7 reports Monday that Trayvon Martin, the Florida teen who was shot and killed by a neighborhood watch volunteer, made his own call to 911 just moments before his death. ABC News 7 reports the FBI is attempting to determine if 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s 911 call captured his killer, 28-year-old George Zimmerman’s voice in the background, and if the audio can be enhanced to more clearly hear what was said. Rally in ChicagoMonday marked the one-month mark of Trayvon's shooting death, leading to rallies and protests across the nation. Among those protesting were over 200 people of different ages and different life experiences who marched peacefully with a police escort from Chicago's Millennium Park through the loop and back again. Some were students, some were veterans of the civil rights movement.

    Their bond is their outrage over the death of Trayvon Martin, said ABC News 7's Paul Meincke.
    Many marchers carried Arizona iced tea and Skittles, the same things Trayvon was carrying the night he was killed.
    Meincke said that among marchers was anger about the investigation that followed the shooting. Many, including Trayvon’s family, believe Zimmerman should be arrested.
    They demand the Justice Department digs deep into the shooting, the many who pulled the trigger, the actions of local law enforcement, and a Florida “Stand Your Ground” law that has stirred considerable controversy, Meincke said.
    Zimmerman claims he acted in self-defense and has not yet been charged.
    The Justice Department has opened a federal civil rights investigation that will run parallel to a county grand jury probe.
    On February 26, 2012, Trayvon Martin, 17, was walking to his father’s fiancée’s home in a gated condominium community in Sanford, Florida. He was returning from a convenience store after purchasing an Arizona iced tea and Skittles. Zimmerman started following Trayvon and called 911 saying he looked suspicious.
    During the call, Zimmerman admitted he was following Trayvon and the 911 dispatcher said, “OK, we don’t need you to do that.” It appears Zimmerman did not heed the dispatcher's suggestion and instead continued to pursue Trayvon.
    Because Trayvon is black and Zimmerman is white/Hispanic, the case has become a racial flashpoint leading to a series of protests across the nation.


    Continue reading on Examiner.com Trayvon Martin made his own 911 call before his death; FBI investigates - National unsolved cases | Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/unsolved-cas...#ixzz1rEJIXN7P



    I thought he was talking to his girlfriend when the bitch zimmerman confronted him, the timetable of everthing is ridicuously mixed up

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