If Zimmerman walks...

[Koffy Brown]

Hey Chucky.......Suspicious?......JMJ

Depends on whose in the hoodie and who is doing the observation...

Let's keep it real, the hoodie does symbolize "racial stereotyping" and if it would have been a white youth in the same scenario as Trayvon, I doubt very seriously that we would have a death, a police cover up and the murderer walking free...it is what it is...yes its speculation, but its my final answer and I'm sticking to it....

and I've seen white people pulled over in the hood too, but usually the police dogs are out and the car is being searched...driving while white...ehhhhh a little far stretched you ask me...but then again...

[JMJ]

Depends on whose in the hoodie and who is doing the observation...

No, it really doesn't, because Zimmerman (and anybody that would agree to your premise) would have to see a face before making the assumption that the person or a person wearing a hoodie is "suspicious". That being said, he saw Trayvon Martin coming towards him. He saw a black face. The hoodie was a prop. Had he seen Trayvon from the back (like in the photo I posted), he wouldn't have been able to distinguish anything other than the clothing itself, especially later at night when this happened......JMJ

[JMJ]

I've seen white people pulled over in the hood too, but usually the police dogs are out and the car is being searched...driving while white...ehhhhh a little far stretched you ask me...but then again...

Have you walked in my shoes? Do you live in or are you an expert on Chicago neighborhoods and their history?

In no way would I ever attempt to discount your experience, because you've LIVED it......JMJ

[mhd]

Have you walked in my shoes? Do you live in or are you an expert on Chicago neighborhoods and their history?

In no way would I ever attempt to discount your experience, because you've LIVED it......JMJ

context

[JMJ]

context

Can't be solely context, not in this case, and not from Zimmerman's initial vantagepoint.....JMJ

[mhd]

Can't be solely context, not in this case, and not from Zimmerman's initial vantagepoint.....JMJ

you in the hood, solo, context = dww; you and robert, in the hood, context = dww; you and robert not in the hood, context = maybe a problem; you solo, not in the hood = definite no problem - so, your problems with cops are in direct correlation with your connections with blacks. with zimmerman it was all context, he was the self-appointed guardian of his gated community. if he saw a white guy in a hoodie, does he investigate? maybe, does he bring a nine, maybe? all depends on the context, does he perceive the white kid as a black kid - from the context of say the white kid blasting rap from his car for example, the hoodie provided context i.e., confirmation, for his fears, trayvon in blue blazers, khakis and loafers may get a pass, maybe

[djmarbll]

JMJ, The FBI was in charge of the Medgar Evers case in 1963(It took 30 years for the killer of Medgar Evers to get convicted in 1993 when the cat was 1,000 years old, My man/LOL), JMJ, It took at least 14 years after the killing of the 4 young ladies in Birmingham,Alabama in 1963 to convict some of the cats who we're involved with the killing of the 4 young ladies, Though, The FBI was in-charge of the case, My man, JMJ, The Federal government has a vast history of neglecting

The physical abuse of Black folk via racist cats, So, The Federal Government's involvement in the Travon Martin case is a, 'Do enough to keep the community from buggin', Type of element to me, Because the federal Government's dossier is filled from floor to ceiling on allowing criminal acts of racial violence to gain momentum

From incident to incident before the, 'Do enough to keep the community from buggin', Steps in regarding convicting those who commit heinous acts of violence, My man, Koffy, Would you be down to take it to the streets in regards to rioting, If an racist act of violence was committed in you're community, In regards to your prior comments regarding, 'A little rioting and noise making may wake a few folks up', Response.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

True indeed MB. The only difference I see in this case is that most of the evidence thus far can be seen and heard by almost anyone. So the court of public opinion has more to work with (8 audio recordings, a police video, at least two witnesses).

[JMJ]

with zimmerman it was all context, he was the self-appointed guardian of his gated community. if he saw a white guy in a hoodie, does he investigate? maybe, does he bring a nine, maybe? all depends on the context, does he perceive the white kid as a black kid - from the context of say the white kid blasting rap from his car for example, the hoodie provided context i.e., confirmation, for his fears, trayvon in blue blazers, khakis and loafers may get a pass, maybe

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Let's take me out of the equation. This certainly isn't about me.

I think Zimmerman's vantage point is key. If he sees someone in a hoodie passing by or across from where he is, he's going to see more than just clothing, and let's face facts: there are plenty of white, hispanic, and asian teenagers that dress similarly to black teenagers these days. He saw a face, something he wouldn't have seen had Trayvon already walked past him at first glance. He would've seen a hoodie, nothing more.....JMJ

[djmarbll]

Wrong. If we're using the premise that the hoodie made Trayvon look suspicious, would I not look suspicious if you saw me wearing one?? Now, before you answer, let's just say you saw me from the back. You see the hoodie, but you don't see my face. Unless you know who I am, would I not be considered suspicious (using the hoodie defense)?

My point being (again) that it wasn't the hoodie. Zimmerman saw a black teenager. He saw the face. He saw an opportunity. The hoodie was simply a convenient prop.....JMJ

Exactly! People seem to forget that Zimmerman called the dispatcher BEFORE Martin had his hoodie on. In addition, according to Martin's girlfriend, he only put his hoodie on because he noticed a man watching him and for the fact that it was raining. Zimmerman saw black skin first in a gated white community. The hoodie is not only a prop, its an afterprop.

[JMJ]

Exactly! People seem to forget that Zimmerman called the dispatcher BEFORE Martin has his hoodie on. In addition, according to Martin's girlfriend, he only put his hoodie on because he noticed a man watching him and for the fact that it was raining.

And there ya have it. Thank you......JMJ

[mhd]

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Let's take me out of the equation. This certainly isn't about me.

I think Zimmerman's vantage point is key. If he sees someone in a hoodie passing by or across from where he is, he's going to see more than just clothing, and let's face facts: there are plenty of white, hispanic, and asian teenagers that dress similarly to black teenagers these days. He saw a face, something he wouldn't have seen had Trayvon already walked past him at first glance. He would've seen a hoodie, nothing more.....JMJ

except we have zimmerman's own words simultaneously describing and condemning trayvon and justifying his actions, the hoodie provided context during and after the incident, as geraldo put it and others have co-signed, wearing the hoodie justified the actions

[mhd]

Exactly! People seem to forget that Zimmerman called the dispatcher BEFORE Martin had his hoodie on. In addition, according to Martin's girlfriend, he only put his hoodie on because he noticed a man watching him and for the fact that it was raining. Zimmerman saw black skin first in a gated white community. The hoodie is not only a prop, its an afterprop.

false, he had the hoodie on the whole time, it was part of zimmerman's initial description, he put the hood on his head later

[JMJ]

except we have zimmerman's own words simultaneously describing and condemning trayvon and justifying his actions, the hoodie provided context during and after the incident, as geraldo put it and others have co-signed, wearing the hoodie justified the actions

Except that Zimmerman lied and Geraldo is far from credible......JMJ

[JMJ]

false, he had the hoodie on the whole time, it was part of zimmerman's initial description, he put the hood on his head later

Therefore Zimmerman initially saw a hoodie or a black teenager at first sight?......JMJ

[mhd]

Except that Zimmerman lied and Geraldo is far from credible......JMJ

what was the lie?

[mhd]

Therefore Zimmerman initially saw a hoodie or a black teenager at first sight?......JMJ

context

[mhd]

Geraldo is far from credible......JMJ

and yet he expressed a very widely held belief:

Jason Giroir used his full name and identified himself as a New Orleans Police Department employee when he wrote, "Act like a thug die like one!" in response to a WWL-TV article on a rally supporting Martin, who was killed last month by a neighborhood watch volunteer

[djmarbll]

false, he had the hoodie on the whole time, it was part of zimmerman's initial description, he put the hood on his head later

Zimmerman described him as "looking black" before he said he had on a "dark hoodie", and then later explicitly identified him as a black male. So as not to get caught in semantics, I meant the hooded part of his hoodie.

[djmarbll]

Originally Posted by JMJ
Except that Zimmerman lied and Geraldo is far from credible......JMJ

what was the lie?

Self-defense.

[mhd]

Zimmerman described him as "looking black" before he said he had on a "dark hoodie". So as not to get caught in semantics, I meant the hooded part of his hoodie.

semantics matter, its sop to ask for description in this manner, gender, race, clothing, etc. zimmerman described hoodie before trayvon put the hood on his head, context, remember, he is armed and making a 911 call, his immediate concern is to convince the dispatcher that this is an exigent circumstance, semantics matter, so does context

[mhd]

Originally Posted by JMJ
Except that Zimmerman lied and Geraldo is far from credible......JMJ



Self-defense.

well, that is a term of art and a legal conclusion, he is allowed to make that claim

[mhd]

Therefore Zimmerman initially saw a hoodie or a black teenager at first sight?......JMJ

what did the cops see when they pulled you over?

[JMJ]

That Trayvon attacked him. Now that the police surveillance video is out there showing an uninjured Zimmerman, nothing Zimmerman said can be believed, including the 911 call and the scenario he described that led to his pursuit, capture and murder of Trayvon Martin......JMJ

[djmarbll]

well, that is a term of art and a legal conclusion, he is allowed to make that claim

The evidence still disagrees with Zimmerman's statement, especially the video released by ABC today. The fact that he made that claim and Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law is the reason he's free now, even though more than one African-American has made the same claim of self-defense using the law and were still arrested. As a lawyer MHD, how would you prosecute this case?

[JMJ]

what did the cops see when they pulled you over?

Nothing illegal.

And to frame it correctly, you should've said before, not when......JMJ