It Aways Gets Me How......

[S&S]

It Aways Gets Me How......you can go to a weekly party and DJ "A" can play a song and be considered Cutting Edge. The follow week DJ "B" can play the same song and now he's whack for playing that bullshit.......lol..Im pretty sure All of us have seen this happen many times

[House]

I've never experienced a song getting played out in a week

[DaBownca]

I've never experienced a song getting played out in a week

Not sure he meant played out I think it is more a commentary on how people dick ride and because of it some DJs can do no wrong and can play anything while another DJ can do the same and get shit on.
Did you check your mail?

[House]

Not sure he meant played out I think it is more a commentary on how people dick ride and because of it some DJs can do no wrong and can play anything while another DJ can do the same and get shit on.
Did you check your mail?

Just looked

Thanks!

Anyone who hates or likes a song based on the DJ is an idiot. More so if it's the same song

[DaBownca]

Just looked

Thanks!

Anyone who hates or likes a song based on the DJ is an idiot. More so if it's the same song

which you know we have in abundance

let me know if you like that ......nice crossover joint IMO can work anywhere

[Myron]

I've never experienced a song getting played out in a week

Songs get turned over so fast these days few songs even have a chance to even get "played out."

[DeesKo]

The only people who ever complain about this are people who don't have that kind of power over their crowd.

Some jocks have built up a relationship with their crowd that allows them that freedom and/or ability to change people's minds on a song.

It also has a lot to do with context & how/when a song is played. We've all passed on a song @ the record store and then heard some other jock beat the giddy up shit out of it 2 weeks later.

Shit happens.

Don't like it? Be person A instead of person B.

[ngeso]

It Aways Gets Me How......you can go to a weekly party and DJ "A" can play a song and be considered Cutting Edge. The follow week DJ "B" can play the same song and now he's whack for playing that bullshit.......lol..Im pretty sure All of us have seen this happen many times

Even better: Everyone in the guild agrees that Song X is whack-ass. Until "Original DJ Big-Rep" comes to town and drops it prime-time.

[DeesKo]

Even better: Everyone in the guild agrees that Song X is whack-ass. Until "Original DJ Big-Rep" comes to town and drops it prime-time.

Maybe Original DJ Big Rep is Original DJ Big Rep because he consistently hears something in songs that others don't hear until AFTER they hear played right.

There's an art to being able to pick out songs that will work on your dance floor. Particularly when you're limited to online snippets or samples that might not even be indicative of the entire record & it's something previously untested.

Some people have the ability to pick out songs that might have been off-putting to others or untested & work it successfully on their dance floor & make it happen. It's the difference between a jock who is able to break a tune, and one who isn't.

Again, most of it comes back to relationship w/ the crowd & context. This is one area where the power of a long-running weekly residency with one jock is illustrated via the jocks ability to find the right time & place to play a previously uncharted song in such a way to make it a hit.

We celebrate folks from the past who had enough "chutzpah" to do this regularly (Ron Hardy, Larry Levan et al) and consider it an indicator of exactly how powerful they were as artists/jocks, but lambast those who are able to still do this?

It's bullshit IMO.


Peace

[Myron]

Again, most of it comes back to relationship w/ the crowd & context. This is one area where the power of a long-running weekly residency with one jock is illustrated via the jocks ability to find the right time & place to play a previously uncharted song in such a way to make it a hit.

We celebrate folks from the past who had enough "chutzpah" to do this regularly (Ron Hardy, Larry Levan et al) and consider it an indicator of exactly how powerful they were as artists/jocks, but lambast those who are able to still do this?

It's bullshit IMO.


Peace

How many jocks have a monthly, let alone a weekly residency these days?

[sammyrock]

I've experience this S & S and the person said "it's how the dj introduces the song" ..amazin

[DeesKo]

How many jocks have a monthly, let alone a weekly residency these days?

Probably the same number of jocks who have the ability to alter an entire group's opinion of a song.

Maybe the two are related.

[soulman]

Probably the same number of jocks who have the ability to alter an entire group's opinion of a song.

Maybe the two are related.

yeah its all about how its presented. I can hear brightr days and think its old until Karizma touches it

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

Stay Out Of The Light.

[DaBownca]

Stay Out Of The Light.

Love that cut

[DeesKo]

yeah its all about how its presented. I can hear brightr days and think its old until Karizma touches it

See... that's what I mean.

Some would argue you're just a sheep, jocking anything Karizma does & dissing what anyone else does.

This attitude is rooted in negativity & belittles Karizma's skills & his work as a jock as well as you as a person/audience member/music lover.

Others see this as a positive thing indicating Karizma is doing something right, and striving to achieve that same goal as a jock.



The ultimate question is, do you prefer to bring yourself up to their level, or bring them down to yours?

[Chuck P]

Happens here to, we always talk about a jock playing a "safe" set and not taking any chances..........

If the promoter gives you an opportunity to play their event and you understand his/her crowd, the expectation is that you play to that crowd, as a GUEST, you have to be careful in your musical selections because if you try some tough shit and the crowd is not feeling it, yo ass will not be back, does that make a guest jock limited in musical selections???? Not really in my estimation because there is just too much music out here to get tied down to a simple 40-50 songs........

Bottom line, a jock has to decide based on given variables what chances they are willing to take musically, I know some people frown on this statement but its true, a RESIDENT DJ has a ton more latitude than a GUEST IMO, the guest has to be careful about taking some chances if they expect to be asked back.............

Just my two cents........

[Dj Bones]

I know some people frown on this statement but its true, a RESIDENT DJ has a ton more latitude than a GUEST IMO, the guest has to be careful about taking some chances if they expect to be asked back.............

Isn't the point of the guest to be change from the norm......?

Songs that people love and then hate a week later are usually all hype and no substance....

[Jamie 3:26]

Happens here to, we always talk about a jock playing a "safe" set and not taking any chances..........

If the promoter gives you an opportunity to play their event and you understand his/her crowd, the expectation is that you play to that crowd, as a GUEST, you have to be careful in your musical selections because if you try some tough shit and the crowd is not feeling it, yo ass will not be back, does that make a guest jock limited in musical selections???? Not really in my estimation because there is just too much music out here to get tied down to a simple 40-50 songs........

Bottom line, a jock has to decide based on given variables what chances they are willing to take musically, I know some people frown on this statement but its true, a RESIDENT DJ has a ton more latitude than a GUEST IMO, the guest has to be careful about taking some chances if they expect to be asked back.............

Just my two cents........

That's bullshit bruh.....gonna call it.A guest is supposed to bring something that the resident jock DOESN'T...a guest is a treat,a break from the norm.Where's shits fucked up is that cats think tha tthey have to pander to that places crowd,which is the dumbest thing to do.

Folks have this fucked up notion that you can't play a certain way or certain jams,to not step on the residents toes....bullshit.Cats who are still wet behind the ears,get a chance to play somewwhere and they blow their load on the second pump.The yeither play the same shit that's ALWAYS played at the spot,or they get on some "I'm gonna beat the box and make them know me..."

Then,they usually fuck themselves up and never get asked back,because due to inexperience,they don't know how to play around a jock and they get on playing peak time shit at 9:30.That's why they get instructions and shit,because they don't know any damn better.

I have played with major cats and the whole...telling a cat how to play shit has only happened to me only once...and that was with me opening for Lil Louis.He just asked that I keep the vibe a certain way.Did that and folks didn't even know it was me playing,until they came up to the booth....folks thought it was him...

If you know what ya doing,no one's gonna tell you what to do...or how to do it,because your record and rep will speak for itself.

[Chuck P]

[QUOTE=Dj Bones;1641225]Isn't the point of the guest to be change from the norm......?QUOTE]

On the surface it would seem to be the case, but a guest has to be careful relative to musical selections, again I can only speak for Chicago but for the most part, unless you are a "big name" guest, you have to be careful about what you do if you exptect to be asked to play another time..........

[Chuck P]

That's bullshit bruh.....gonna call it.A guest is supposed to bring something that the resident jock DOESN'T...a guest is a treat,a break from the norm.Where's shits fucked up is that cats think tha tthey have to pander to that places crowd,which is the dumbest thing to do.

Folks have this fucked up notion that you can't play a certain way or certain jams,to not step on the residents toes....bullshit.Cats who are still wet behind the ears,get a chance to play somewwhere and they blow their load on the second pump.The yeither play the same shit that's ALWAYS played at the spot,or they get on some "I'm gonna beat the box and make them know me..."

Then,they usually fuck themselves up and never get asked back,because due to inexperience,they don't know how to play around a jock and they get on playing peak time shit at 9:30.That's why they get instructions and shit,because they don't know any damn better.

I have played with major cats and the whole...telling a cat how to play shit has only happened to me only once...and that was with me opening for Lil Louis.He just asked that I keep the vibe a certain way.Did that and folks didn't even know it was me playing,until they came up to the booth....folks thought it was him...

If you know what ya doing,no one's gonna tell you what to do...or how to do it,because your record and rep will speak for itself.

I can only speak on my experience and what I've been asked to do from promoters who have invited me in to play for them, we run to "in-experience" and "he can't play anyway" type of shit when a cat who doesn't get a ton of shine tries something and it backfires on them, I've seen it to many times to count..........

The "safe set" is the 800lbs gorilla in the room that nobody wants to talk about, but again while I'm not suggesting that a guest jock is totally limited with what he/she can play, they have to be careful and mindful of who they are playing for and in front of cuz if you fuck up a promoters money with a bullshit set that only you (they dj) are digging, YO ASS WILL NOT BE BACK................

Ohh, and there are some sensitive ass residents out there bruh, c'mon, we've discussed a couple offline, I know for a fact that a resident told his promoter to have me dial it back and I wasn't playing peak time jams while the bartender was cutting up lemons and shit, and what I did was finish the night and not accept any more invitations to play that event cuz I just play like I play..........

[Dj Bones]

On the surface it would seem to be the case, but a guest has to be careful relative to musical selections, again I can only speak for Chicago but for the most part, unless you are a "big name" guest, you have to be careful about what you do if you exptect to be asked to play another time..........

Then surely that's the fault lies the promoter in booking a guest for how the promoter would like them to play as opposed to who the Dj actually does.....?

[Chuck P]

Then surely that's the fault lies the promoter in booking a guest for how the promoter would like them to play as opposed to who the Dj actually does.....?

Man, promoters are trying to make money, if the crowd they have is happy, then they are happy cuz they are making money, if you bring yo "dare to be different" ass up in there fucking up the vibe with obscure shit that nobody is feeling you will have a problem moving forward..............TRUST ME

[Jamie 3:26]

I can only speak on my experience and what I've been asked to do from promoters who have invited me in to play for them, we run to "in-experience" and "he can't play anyway" type of shit when a cat who doesn't get a ton of shine tries something and it backfires on them, I've seen it to many times to count..........

The "safe set" is the 800lbs gorilla in the room that nobody wants to talk about, but again while I'm not suggesting that a guest jock is totally limited with what he/she can play, they have to be careful and mindful of who they are playing for and in front of cuz if you fuck up a promoters money with a bullshit set that only you (they dj) are digging, YO ASS WILL NOT BE BACK................

I will tell you a lil personal story regarding the whole playing it safe and not stepping on toes.

12 years ago,I was playing alongside Andre Hatchett and I had it programmed in my head/mind that he's the headliner....and that I can't play a certain way or certain tunes...because I'm not as big as him.I put up a wall and didn't even know it.I still played and was still trying to come into my own...again,But I had a "Chicago Mind Fuck" I was playing on myself and didnt even know it.

I just had the shit already in my mind,some sub-concious shit about how I ain't supposed to play certain shit or do certain shit,because I'm not as big as these cats and if I wanna keep on playing,I gotta stay in my scrub position.That's some fucked up shit,ain't it?But that's been in Chicago's nature forever....and honestly,weak cats can't handle how this city,in whatever game you are in,will make you become strong and earn your real respect...or stay weak and roll with the punches and go nowhere.This city is so hard on you,in whatever ya racket is,that it either makes you step ya shit up and get ya game tight and roll right,or get rolled over...that's why we can go anywhere else in the world and be good.

It's in our nature.Eventually,I had to step my shit up...so what I did was just be me.Not pander to the crowd and play crowd pleasers.Just do my thing...and eventually,I became the headliner and the only dj the promoter ended up using.

Now,here's where it gets even better....I'm considered a scrub and now I'm the only dj this promoter is using.Motherfuckers were on my ass even harder....and I had to learn how to really come into my own.Learn how to set up a night.Create moods....hell, play for a whole night...not just 2 hrs.

Then,being here in Chicago and a promoter changing the way shit was done and having one dj again??Mannnnnn...the shit I got from THAT shit...LOL...

"This nigga ain't no Ronnie Hardy..." LOL....Just imagine my man....being here in Chicago and how we are...lol.It actually made me stronger and get my shit together...again.I came into my own at the Basement....2 years into the parties there.I had to deal with folks wanting me to play nothing but disco and others who wanted me to take advantage of my position and break new shit to folks.

Man,I had folks screaming at me to play some disco....I had 10 people yelling and staring at me while I played shit they weren't familiar with....

I had pandered to a crowd for 2 years....and Myself and Reggie wanted to bring folks forward.He believed in me and that made a dfference as well.I just said fuck it and started filtering the shit played....to the point where the crowd changed and the ones who couldnt get on the vibe,left...and the rest of us had a ball.So,yes,it does help to have a promoter/partner who believes in you.It works.

The main thing I want to keep stressing is,this shit in Chicago will either make you stronger or weaker.

Fast forward 10 years.......now I'm known and respected by many heavy hitters in the city and worldwide and I can play what the fuck I want,when I wanna.

I owe that to Chicago.It made me.

If I would've stayed in that scrub mentality,I wouldn't be shit.I can admit it.Most can't.

I just started believing in myself and changed my approach to this shit and started having fun again.The world opened up for me.

I know this is long as shit,but this is home and I feel that I should be able to let my hair down with my peoples here.

[JMNYC]

Man, promoters are trying to make money, if the crowd they have is happy, then they are happy cuz they are making money, if you bring yo "dare to be different" ass up in there fucking up the vibe with obscure shit that nobody is feeling you will have a problem moving forward..............TRUST ME

That totally depends on the many variables involved. If the stars are in alignment, the guest is in the right mindset and the crowd is open, the sky is the limit. There are jocks that play what the crowd wants to hear, and jocks for whom the crowd comes to hear what they are going to play. IMHO the latter is always preferable, even if that means they might (try to) go somewhere the crowd isn't ready for or doesn't want to go. There's no perfect formula here - if there was it would bore the shit out of all of us after a week or two.

If you don't know the room (especially in the case of travelling or never having been at the venue/party before), you can be up shits creek without a paddle if you don't pack right and aren't confident and clear in your mission. If I may quote John Diamond, "It cannot be overemphasized that every performer must have as his basic intent the raising of the life energy of his listeners... As long as this is the aspiration of the performer, he will be able to purely transmit the pulse. Instead of a situation of 'Listen to how well I play. Aren't I brilliant?' it is rather 'Listen to the glory of the message that I am honored to pass on to you."

That said, is the point of a guest spot to be invited back? Is that how you gauge success? I've booked hundreds of guests and most times it's to give the crowd something different but still exceptional, to expose the audience to talent they otherwise might not hear, and to extend the opportunity to selectors who deserve the chance because they put in the work, mean it(!), and honor the music that they play and the audience that comes to receive it.

I make it a point to invite people back who pack the room to the fullest, ONLY IF ALL OF THE AFOREMENTIONED QUALIFIERS HAVE BEEN MET. That just boils down to a smart (and easy) business decision. I also turn down guest spots where I don't feel what I do will be effective or appreciated by the audience. It's one more reason to produce your own events. That said, I've had some amazing experiences as a guest, and a few nightmares to keep that ego in check. You take a chance any time you book a guest, but if you don't take chances, you have a much lower likelihood of elevation.