... is more powerful than ever back in the country where the journey began, the USA.

[Myron]

So I called up an friend who is a music exec and we're meeting Thursday. I'm going to bring up this discussion and discuss the potentials and see what's what. I'm hoping to come up with an expirement that proofs the theorem there's value underneath the surface of our side of the scene. If I have something to go on, y'all find your courage and participate.

Looking forward to the results.

[DaveR]

Good point. We often hear the 'back in the day' stories where folk are like 'I partied until 4 in the afternoon' which somewhat added to the vibe and mystique of the party. But as you mentioned, it isnt a requirement for succes.

And yeah, liquor is an issue whether folk want to admit it or not. Those financials from that club posted on here the other month proves that point.

yep

... as I continue to post, somewhere along the line, some folks lost their mind - and really thought it was only about the music; they forgot they were entertainers ... we don't watch the NBA b/c of the basketball (shit, we could do that all day at our local park) ... we watch it b/c of the show - the Tongs, Guettas, etc of the world figured that out - while we were here wasting time, yapping w/ our peeps of 'like minds'

[DaveR]

"FIYYYYAAAAAA!!!!!!" is free, prevalent, and easily acquired. What else you got?

how did I miss this?

[julian_kelly]

yep

... as I continue to post, somewhere along the line, some folks lost their mind - and really thought it was only about the music; they forgot they were entertainers ... we don't watch the NBA b/c of the basketball (shit, we could do that all day at our local park) ... we watch it b/c of the show - the Tongs, Guettas, etc of the world figured that out - while we were here wasting time, yapping w/ our peeps of 'like minds'

But I do wonder what another significant income stream there is in addition to liquor that can be derived from a normal hours club experience. Folk do stuff like pay stars to show up, and do coat checks and sell food and get sponsors and all the other razzmataz we've seen, but I wonder what other creative things are out there to get another significant income stream.

There has to be some other model out there no one has considered. I just dont know what it is. That would be a good discussion.

[DaveR]

But I do wonder what another significant income stream there is in addition to liquor that can be derived from a normal hours club experience

...

There has to be some other model out there no one has considered. I just dont know what it is. That would be a good discussion.

I agree ... and 'experience' is the key word and is a great discussion imho ... especially given that even to this day, not many folks know that The Garage had a movie theatre (which used to be a huge attraction to many patrons - many are led to believe it was just about the DJ/music)

... many (I'll say most, in my opinion) entertainment-services-delivery orgs make their money off of concessions, and/or stuff that isn't obvious to the naked eye ... e.g. from the NBA, to Six Flags, to the clubs/events that actually survive (due to circumstances that are 100% controlled by them) often don't survive & thrive off of what they convince their patrons is their core offering - they thrive off of the ancillary stuff (that ain't cool to admit)

[silverbull]

So I called up an friend who is a music exec and we're meeting Thursday

Does this music exec person you know have a great reputation that makes their artist live comfortably off their music? Or someone with a day job as well? Reason i bring this up is because theres a big difference. Sorry if this comes off badly from my end.

[Myron]

But I do wonder what another significant income stream there is in addition to liquor that can be derived from a normal hours club experience. Folk do stuff like pay stars to show up, and do coat checks and sell food and get sponsors and all the other razzmataz we've seen, but I wonder what other creative things are out there to get another significant income stream.

There has to be some other model out there no one has considered. I just dont know what it is. That would be a good discussion.

Should there be another significant income stream for clubs? That model works rather well for that industry. The failures were likely to fail even they used a significant income stream besides alcohol.

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

Does this music exec person you know have a great reputation that makes their artist live comfortably off their music? Or someone with a day job as well? Reason i bring this up is because theres a big difference. Sorry if this comes off badly from my end.

No big deal. Honest question. Legit music exec. Full time. 60 hrs a week. Major publishing VP. Responsible for getting his folks and, by extension, himself ahead.

[DaveR]

Should there be another significant income stream for clubs? ...

I agree ... and 'experience' is the key word and is a great discussion imho ... especially given that even to this day, not many folks know that The Garage had a movie theatre (which used to be a huge attraction to many patrons - many are led to believe it was just about the DJ/music)

I've posted this no less than 10 times on this board, sans any replies ... denial is a MFer

[julian_kelly]

Should there be another significant income stream for clubs? That model works rather well for that industry. The failures were likely to fail even they used a significant income stream besides alcohol.

Of course. Where would movie theatres be with just selling tickets? What if gas stations only sold gas? What if McDonalds only sold burgers? As Dave mentioned, often ancillary offerings are just as significant revenue streams as major streams.

Many folk can't keep spots/parties cause they can't get bodies in to sell enough liquor. For many, liquor is the only way to make money. If you can offer something that creates synergy to the business and makes as much money as liquor or more, then you stay in business and increase revenue.

Can't always put all your eggs in one basket...too dangerous.

[DaveR]

Of course. Where would movie theatres be with just selling tickets? What if gas stations only sold gas? What if McDonalds only sold burgers? As Dave mentioned, often ancillary offerings are just as significant revenue streams as major streams ...

damn bro, it's like you're in my head ... McDonalds ain't all about the Big Macs (as many would think), they are about the Real Estate

[House]

damn bro, it's like you're in my head ... McDonalds ain't all about the Big Macs (as many would think), they are about the Real Estate

And Coke

Cha Ching

[Sal Paradise]

Movie theaters make pretty much all of their profit from concession stands, that's why the candy costs so much. Hollywood gets almost all of the box office sales. First week is like a 90/10 split with a huge guarantee. It then goes to 80/20, 70/30 and maybe after four weeks the theater get 40% of the door. But it will often stay at 30%

[julian_kelly]

damn bro, it's like you're in my head ... McDonalds ain't all about the Big Macs (as many would think), they are about the Real Estate

Bugged me out when I heard about the McDees real estate thing. McDonalds has some of the most prime real estate in the USA. I heard a crazy stat about McDonlads....I can't remeber it specifically, but it's something to the effect of you can't drive 10 minutes in a major city in the USA and not pass a McDonalds. There are a few good books out there about Ray Croc...dude was a beast.

The concept folk gotta realize is that its hard enough making money on the music the traditional way, so you gotta figure out another synergistic way to make cheeze...it's just good business and common sense.

[DaveR]

And Coke

Cha Ching

lol

Baking Soda was originally made to keep freshly-caught fish from spoiling ... until they (un-kept-it-real and) realized "Damn, we can sell this shit to Crackheads too"

[DaveR]

Movie theaters make pretty much all of their profit from concession stands, that's why the candy costs so much. Hollywood gets almost all of the box office sales. First week is like a 90/10 split with a huge guarantee. It then goes to 80/20, 70/30 and maybe after four weeks the theater get 40% of the door. But it will often stay at 30%

Sal ... love debating (yes, even arguing) and building with you ... tight post

[DaveR]

Bugged me out when I heard about the McDees real estate thing. McDonalds has some of the most prime real estate in the USA. I heard a crazy stat about McDonlads....I can't remeber it specifically, but it's something to the effect of you can't drive 10 minutes in a major city in the USA and not pass a McDonalds. There are a few good books out there about Ray Croc...dude was a beast.

The concept folk gotta realize is that its hard enough making money on the music the traditional way, so you gotta figure out another synergistic way to make cheeze...it's just good business and common sense.

I think I learned about McDs and Real Estate from you (or somewhere online) - that was a real eye-opener

[TAD]

The Garage had a movie theatre (which used to be a huge attraction to many patrons - many are led to believe it was just about the DJ/music)

out of 3000 people it could seat about 50 so not sure about the huge attraction. a nice homey chill out spot, perhaps. don't think it would have changed anything if it wasn't there. the main room is where it was going down.

not many people know the garage closed all the rooms, including the bar and the movie room by a certain hour, except the dancefloor, and maybe the crystal room, i think that stayed open, and the party would continue.

in the end it was about that amazing room and the people who came together to experience something so incredibly unique and real.

it's really not possible to talk about the garage within the context of this thread. the garage stood on its own. it was a private membership club. not many people knew about it. the owner wanted no publicity. guests were friends of members, some of whom eventually became members themselves. this close knit community was acutely aware of the unwritten rules & regulations of dancefloor etiquette, a code of ethics dancers held in high regard, a respect for one's person and one's own personal space was paramount. all the things we joke about today, the baby powder, the circles etc, these cultural aspects were all part of what made the garage so magnificent. people felt safe there.

[DaveR]

out of 3000 people it could seat about 50 so not sure about the huge attraction. a nice homey chill out spot, perhaps. don't think it would have changed anything if it wasn't there ...

I need to get in the denial-dealing business ... mo' money mo' money

[DaveR]

... it's really not possible to talk about the garage within the context of this thread ...

why not?

[TAD]

I need to get in the denial-dealing business ... mo' money mo' money

this one went right over my head, but to be safe & cover my ass, as a lontime attendee of the pg i can safely say it was not a HUGE attraction.

[Myron]

Of course. Where would movie theatres be with just selling tickets? What if gas stations only sold gas? What if McDonalds only sold burgers? As Dave mentioned, often ancillary offerings are just as significant revenue streams as major streams.

Many folk can't keep spots/parties cause they can't get bodies in to sell enough liquor. For many, liquor is the only way to make money. If you can offer something that creates synergy to the business and makes as much money as liquor or more, then you stay in business and increase revenue.

Can't always put all your eggs in one basket...too dangerous.

Isn't SIGNIFICANT revenue streams about the main source of revenue. This doesn't preclude other sources of revenue. Liquor is the significant revenue of nightclubs, other stuff may provide the revenue but it is the liquor that provides the main source of revenue.

[DaveR]

this one went right over my head, but to be safe & cover my ass, as a lontime attendee of the pg i can safely say it was not a HUGE attraction.

neither are dancers ... I believe that you're missing the point

[House]

Isn't SIGNIFICANT revenue streams about the main source of revenue

Huh?

[Martin Red]

out of 3000 people it could seat about 50 so not sure about the huge attraction. a nice homey chill out spot,

Just thinking of numbers here, this board has how many members, how many are in the circle jerk of these DaveR posts, same 5 or 6 people everytime, back and forth , I agree, yeah I agree with your agreeing, "smiley"

Please post pic of people falling asleep in backroom, because that reminds me of most of these fame related posts.