NBA Playoffs

[Fletch]

from wiki: an assistant coach with the Los Angeles Clippers under Larry Brown from 1992-1993

yo fletch, answer mike's other questions, lol!

You guys are absolutely right. But I'll say this: Could Mike be doing Sloan, Shaw and Nate a favor by hiring Quin? Look at the Bobcats record, and look at Mike's owning record! Not exactly a dream job, isn't it. And I'm very surprised that Sloan is coming hard for it. I got a theory as to why, if y'all want to hear it. (y'all probably have the same theory! LOL!).

[mhd]

You guys are absolutely right. But I'll say this: Could Mike be doing Sloan, Shaw and Nate a favor by hiring Quin? Look at the Bobcats record, and look at Mike's owning record! Not exactly a dream job, isn't it. And I'm very surprised that Sloan is coming hard for it. I got a theory as to why, if y'all want to hear it. (y'all probably have the same theory! LOL!).

whats the theory on sloan? luv him as a player and a coach at utah, but the clash with D-Will was a bad sign, imo. as for jordan, he gotta win now or make money now, and after looking at quinn's record, he can coach and sell tickets to dukies adn be the young fresh face of the franchise

[Fletch]

whats the theory on sloan? luv him as a player and a coach at utah, but the clash with D-Will was a bad sign, imo. as for jordan, he gotta win now or make money now, and after looking at quinn's record, he can coach and sell tickets to dukies adn be the young fresh face of the franchise

After the Deron Williams debacle, I believe Sloan wants to prove that he can coach young players. D-Will wanted to open up the offense, and Sloan was perceived as a set-in-his-ways, pick-and-roll old man. But what has D-Will done in Jersey with his "open offense", other than put the Nets on the Lottery train for another year! But everyone sees what Sloan has done over the years, v. D-Will's win-loss resume with the Nets! Does Sloan really have to prove anything?

[mhd]

After the Deron Williams debacle, I believe Sloan wants to prove that he can coach young players. D-Will wanted to open up the offense, and Sloan was perceived as a set-in-his-ways, pick-and-roll old man. But what has D-Will done in Jersey with his "open offense", other than put the Nets on the Lottery train for another year! But everyone sees what Sloan has done over the years, v. D-Will's win-loss resume with the Nets! Does Sloan really have to prove anything?

good points, but I don't see working for jordan as a picnic, a cat like quin has worked for coach k, so he knows how to defer and still be successful, can't see sloan deferring to mj, besides, all the spurs cats seem to have a feel for building "programs" quin brings that coach k/spurs experience to try and build that place up

[SoundScience]

After the Deron Williams debacle, I believe Sloan wants to prove that he can coach young players. D-Will wanted to open up the offense, and Sloan was perceived as a set-in-his-ways, pick-and-roll old man. But what has D-Will done in Jersey with his "open offense", other than put the Nets on the Lottery train for another year! But everyone sees what Sloan has done over the years, v. D-Will's win-loss resume with the Nets! Does Sloan really have to prove anything?

That..

And to a certain extent you can see Utah continue to improve under Ty Corbin, who I'm certain didnt get the job and completely flip scripts.

[SoundScience]

Thoughts?

[Fletch]

good points, but I don't see working for jordan as a picnic, a cat like quin has worked for coach k, so he knows how to defer and still be successful, can't see sloan deferring to mj, besides, all the spurs cats seem to have a feel for building "programs" quin brings that coach k/spurs experience to try and build that place up

I have always been, and still is, a believer in the "potential means you ain't done ****!" philosophy. That's why I am not a big fan of drafting players out of high school. However, potential is how the NBA works, these days. It is what it is. Knowing this, and having stumbled upon the below article, I can see why this is a "potential" move; a young, although stained, coach mentored by the greats who's innovative philosophy worked in the D-League. And the only test is the Big Show! And yes, he could get the Duke folk in the seats.

Mike's owning record, as we know, has been less than stellar. IF Mike makes this move, and the Bobcats end up kickin' *** with Sloan and Pop pick-and-rolls on steroids, then Mike finally looks like a genius and all will be forgotten in Mizzou! But we shall see!

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2012...-bobcats-coach

[mhd]

I have always been, and still is, a believer in the "potential means you ain't done ****!" philosophy. That's why I am not a big fan of drafting players out of high school. However, potential is how the NBA works, these days. It is what it is. Knowing this, and having stumbled upon the below article, I can see why this is a "potential" move; a young, although stained, coach mentored by the greats who's innovative philosophy worked in the D-League. And the only test is the Big Show! And yes, he could get the Duke folk in the seats.

Mike's owning record, as we know, has been less than stellar. IF Mike makes this move, and the Bobcats end up kickin' *** with Sloan and Pop pick-and-rolls on steroids, then Mike finally looks like a genius and all will be forgotten in Mizzou! But we shall see!

http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2012...-bobcats-coach

dude, the more i see about quin snyder the more i like, MJ should quit screwing around and hire this guy, today! cerebral cat, double major in poli sci and philosophy, jd, mba, so, a very smart guy, (sorry mike, i'm on the bandwagon, lol) willing to put in the work, humble enough to go to the d-league, writes shit about pick and roll, stellar hoops pedigree, what more do you want? gives you local box office, coach k coming to the games, lol, dean smith coming to the games, no brainer, of course now that quin is the best guy watch MJ fuck up and hire brian shaw, lol

[Mike Barnes]

Mark, The more i read Fletch and you're threads, Shit, I feel Quin Synder would be a very good hire too, My man/LOL, Mark, I still have a tape of the 1985 Capital Classic(Which was played at the Capital Centre in Landover,Maryland), Featuring the Washington DC HS Allstars vs the McDonald's All-American crew, My man, Mark, The McDonalds crew had Quin Synder, Kenny Wilson(Villanova), Michael Porter(St.John's via San Jacinto, Money played with Boo Harvey at San Jacinto in

1985-1986), Tito Horeford(Houston), Russell Lamboitte(North Carolina State), Etc, and the Washington DC crew had Sherman Douglas(Syracuse), Earl Moore(Cardoza HS in Washington, DC) Danny Ferry(Duke), and a few more cats that i cannot remember right about now, My man/LOL, Mark, Cats like Rod

Strickland, Boo Harvey, Poo Richardson(UCLA), Jeff Lebo(North Carolina), Etc, Did not play(Cats we're only allowed to play in 2 HS all-star games in 1985 thru today, My man, Mark, Fletch, Do you cats remember how Quin Synder would sling-it on a cat at Duke, If Quin Synder had an angle to the rim(Along with a few steps on a cat to get to the rim too, My man/LOL).

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[The Good Reverend Rollo Goodlove]

Huey, The City of Seattle had trouble funding to build a new arena, When Bill Gates rests 1 hour away from Seattle, My man(Bill Gates has been a private benefactor to so many other organizations across the globe, Why didn't Bill Gates step to the city of Seattle to fund the building of a new arena in his name at that,

Hey Mike I don't know how, or if, Bill Gates factored into all of what happened but at the time they couldn't get funding. It's funny because now they are talking about building a new stadium down by the football and baseball stadiums (which are right next to each other) and trying to get a pro hockey and basketball team to come here. My understanding is they are going hard after the Sacramento Kings who are in a similar situation to them a few years ago (need a new stadium and get get the bread to make it happen).

[chldfknungrnd764]

Great shot of Riley and Zo in the crowd.

"Get yo ass out there Zo and make a hard foul on Durant!!"

[Fletch]

I love y'all sarcasm! (LOL!). But it's all good, though, and yes, it took awhile to understand why Quin Snyder would be a finalist. Having said all of what I said, I do understand that picking Quin Snyder is still a crapshoot, (unproven at the NBA level with a bad history) and will be a very controversial pick, for a lot of legitimate reasons, over a proven assistant (Shaw) and a Hall of Famer (Sloan).

[Tee Dubb]

How the hell do you defend Durant?

smash him in the mouth....bring it back to the glory days dammit, put the fear in his ass!

[cleodine velvet jackson]

smash him in the mouth....bring it back to the glory days dammit, put the fear in his ass!

And if that EVER happened, Westbrook and Perkins will be whipping mucho ass because they ain't afeared of the HEAT!!! That's right, THEY AIN'T AFEARED!!!

[Tee Dubb]

And if that EVER happened, Westbrook and Perkins will be whipping mucho ass because they ain't afeared of the HEAT!!! That's right, THEY AIN'T AFEARED!!!

I"m talking about Durant. You know he ain"t strong yet

[cleodine velvet jackson]

I"m talking about Durant. You know he ain"t strong yet

Mr. Winter, I know you were talking about Durant. But come on now, OKC will protect its most valuable asset. And btw, didn't you say "something's wrong" with Westbrook? Let them "smash him (Durant) in the mouth" because I want to see the aftermath with this being the 35th anniversary of Rudy vs. Kermit!!!

[bomb cola]

So far, it's all going according to plan.

[Mike Barnes]

Huey, I was reading an article this morning that stated that Steve Ballmer(CEO of Microsoft), Was down with a few cats to build a new arena in Seattle, My man, Also, I hope Sacremento can keep they're crew, Kevin Johnson(Mayor of Sacramento,California and former NBA all-star during the 90's), Has been trying very hard

To keep the Sacramento Kings in that city for the last few years(The Sacrmento Kings used to be the Kansas City Kings, Featuring, Tiny Archibald during the late 60's, to 1985, Along with Bob Cousey(Hall of famer for the Boston Celtics during the 60's), Being the head coach for the Kansas City Kings during the late 60's to mid 70's), My man, Huey, Kenny Smith(TNT Analsyt), Started his NBA careeer with the Sacramento Kings in 1987(Kenny Smith put in 3 years of work with Sacramento

Before Kenny Smith injured his knee in 1991, My man), Huey, Do you remember a cat by the name of Ricky Berry(Rip), Ricky Berry was an All-American at San Jose St in 1988, Along with Ricky Berry being a first-round pick for the Sacramento Kings in 1988, Ricky Berry was 6'8 with a mad handle and lon-range jumper and moves too, Along with Ricky berry being able to go down low too(Money was still filling out physically in 1988, My man), Huey, Ricky Berry committed suicide in

1989, Which was devestating to the Sacramento Kings, Because Ricky Berry would have been one of the elite cats in the NBA during the 90's, My man, Huey, Is the Kingdome standing these days, My man.

Much Respect
Mike Barnes

[mhd]

I love y'all sarcasm! (LOL!). But it's all good, though, and yes, it took awhile to understand why Quin Snyder would be a finalist. Having said all of what I said, I do understand that picking Quin Snyder is still a crapshoot, (unproven at the NBA level with a bad history) and will be a very controversial pick, for a lot of legitimate reasons, over a proven assistant (Shaw) and a Hall of Famer (Sloan).

nah man, i'm serious, quinn would be the best pick out of the three, imo, hands down, not controversial at all, he got fired, embarassed, and moved on, been vetted and hired for several jobs since, performed well and paid his dues, B Shaw is a "proven assistant" what the hell does that mean, lol, you mean like thibadeau in boston, who doc gave mad props to for the defensive sets, what credit is shaw getting and for what? shaw has zero head coaching experience, quin has about 10 years successful head coaching experience...

[Fletch]

nah man, i'm serious, quinn would be the best pick out of the three, imo, hands down, not controversial at all, he got fired, embarassed, and moved on, been vetted and hired for several jobs since, performed well and paid his dues, B Shaw is a "proven assistant" what the hell does that mean, lol, you mean like thibadeau in boston, who doc gave mad props to for the defensive sets, what credit is shaw getting and for what? shaw has zero head coaching experience, quin has about 10 years successful head coaching experience...

Let me put Shaw's resume out there.....three player titles, two as an assistant. Oh, yeah, mentored by Phil Jackson! Laker players did want him, but for some reason, LA went w/Mike Brown. All three would be interesting choices.

[mhd]

Let me put Shaw's resume out there.....three player titles, two as an assistant. Oh, yeah, mentored by Phil Jackson! Laker players did want him, but for some reason, LA went w/Mike Brown. All three would be interesting choices.

damn, forgot about phil, who is probably in mike's ear to hire shaw as we speak, lol, quin is still the best choice

[julian_kelly]

Gotta love Mike

[DaveR]

... I'm calling an upset tonight - Miami by 6

I'm recalling this

[DaveR]

... increased heros/villains story ...

"You need heros and villains, else it's just a couple of bums beating up on each other in the ring" - Don King, Only In America

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NBA keeps finding new ways of turning bad news into big ratings

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...tml?xid=cnnbin

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The numbers continue to amaze. On Tuesday the NBA Finals generated ABC's largest audience for an opening game -- a 9.9 rating and 16.2 million viewers -- and the totals promise to remain high or climb even higher for Game 2 here Thursday night. It is the opposite of what the NBA feared last winter, when games were being canceled and the owners were fighting publicly with the players.

"We were stunned," commissioner David Stern said of the popular response to his league in the wake of so much negative publicity.

TV ratings have been up throughout this troubled season. Or have they gone up because the season was troubled?

For decades the major leagues of football, baseball and basketball feared that a betting scandal would ruin the credibility of their competition. Then the NBA had its trouble with former referee Tim Donaghy, and guess what the fallout turned out to be? Negligible. Forgettable. It is amazing to think how little impact Donaghy, who admitted to betting on games he officiated, has had on the NBA's business.

Two summers ago LeBron James made a jerk of himself on live TV and again the next day during a pre-championship celebration in Miami, where he had the gall to refer to his new organization as "family" the day after he had run out on his hometown fans in northern Ohio. A decade of investment in his good name had been undone within 24 hours. The fans' favorite had turned into a villain, which was another longstanding fear for a league that depends on the popularity of its stars.

We all know what became of that incident. The ratings went up last year, and they kept rising this year. When James was glorified as a young star who led his Cavaliers to the NBA Finals in 2007, the ratings were far lower than they are five years later, now that he is universally vilified as the opponent to the beloved Kevin Durant.

Is there no such thing as bad publicity? Stern appeared to answer the question during his annual Finals news conference Tuesday when he was asked about persistent criticism of NBA referees throughout this postseason.

"Well, I think that there is going to be a lot of attention brought to everything about our game," he said to a roomful of reporters. "It's just the way we are now. With social media, with the commentary that's going around, with 300 million followers and friends and likes and you name it, there's always a reason for a dialogue, usually occasioned by somebody in this room. Because otherwise you can't tweet and say, 'I've got nothing to tweet about.'

"So at least for a weekend you can tweet about the calls and the [Manny Pacquiao] fight in Las Vegas or the NHL's boarding penalty, but ... we'll be front and center. And that's our lot, and that's good. Because you're here, you're talking about us, you're writing about us."

When Stern was accused of "vetoing" the potential trade of Chris Paul to the Lakers in December, he was charged with damaging the greater interests of the league. (Stern has said that the trade had not been finalized because he, as acting owner of the Hornets, had to approve any major deal before it could be enacted, and he insisted it was never approved by him.) Arguments will be made on both sides of that accusation, and Stern sees merit in the controversy. Because controversy means business. The truth of the entire Paul fiasco is that it generated interest at a time when the NBA needed to pull attention away from the lockout.

This is not to introduce another convoluted conspiracy theory -- as if Stern created the mess because he needed to drum up publicity. Whether or not you believe he vetoed an existing agreement, the situation was handled badly. And yet the bottom-line result was that it provided an unintended benefit that was good for the short term, like a mini version of "The Decision" that inspired or incited fans to connect to the NBA.

"That was a very tough situation," Stern said of the criticism he endured. "But then you combine that and the games opening on Christmas Day, and it was like the ignition of a rocket."

The logical assumption was that the lockout would dig a hole for the NBA among its fans, who would be turned off by the selfishness of the players and owners, and that the audience would therefore take its business elsewhere. But the opposite happened instead. It was as if the momentum picked up seamlessly from where it left off last June.

"Absolutely, it exceeded the expectations I had," deputy commissioner Adam Silver said of the ratings and other signs of growing fan support. He credited the NBA's marketing partners, TV networks and other entities that probably had something to do with this immediate burst of success.

The truth is that these gains are part of a larger dynamic that operates beyond the top-down control of the NBA. Consider that the NBA was able to grow in popularity this season even as the quality of play deteriorated noticeably. Stern dare not protest these facts: There was practically no training camp; many players began the season out of shape; teams held minimal practices or canceled them altogether in pursuit of off-day rest; star players were injured to upset the balance of power; and coaches complained across the board that they never knew what kind of performance they would receive from one night to the next. Put it altogether and that inconsistency -- that unpredictability -- might have helped the NBA. The mystery of expectations helped make the league more interesting and topical.

Stern appears to be on board with this new trend, because he surely cannot fight it. Last month he was accused (without evidence) of fixing the lottery on behalf of the Hornets, who are about to be sold by the NBA to Tom Benson of New Orleans. When radio host Jim Rome asked Stern on Wednesday about the lingering suggestion that he had rigged the lottery in order to reward Benson with the rights to Kentucky big man Anthony Davis, Stern could have responded in one of two ways. He could have tried to fend off the question with laughter in order to change the subject as quickly as possible, and maybe that's how he would have handled it a decade or two ago. Instead, he chose to inflame the discussion.

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Stern answered, and back and forth they went for several minutes.

It was all over the blogs and YouTube and Twitter and people were talking about it, like the silly news coverage of spats between talent judges or rich housewives on reality TV. Stern may not like the accusation, but like so many incidents in recent years, that doesn't mean he can't find a way to turn a bad story into an afternoon of profit.

[DaveR]

Gametime!