Corey Booker 'dun BOOKED!

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

Corey Booker unhitched his mount from the POTUS's wagon train. Hope it winds up worth it. Whatever his motives or the degree of gaff, he can hand those surrogate notes back in. Tipped his hand too soon.
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http://video.msnbc.msn.com/now-with-...6073/#47506073

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...i-Bain-message

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ry-booker.html
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Thanks Corey. Thanks for nuthin'. Thanks especially for all the ad fodder for the Romney machine. Slap Harold for me when you see him.

[House]

Whats interesting is that the other part of his comments have received short shrift in the media:

"Mayor Booker – most recently famous for rescuing his neighbor from her burning house – went after Republicans, too. He disparaged the recent proposal, attributed to GOP strategists, to have an outside group attack Mr. Obama via his flame-throwing former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright."

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

Whats interesting is that the other part of his comments have received short shrift in the media:

"Mayor Booker – most recently famous for rescuing his neighbor from her burning house – went after Republicans, too. He disparaged the recent proposal, attributed to GOP strategists, to have an outside group attack Mr. Obama via his flame-throwing former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright."

Sure, but he really went in for Bain Capital in a manner than he seemed zealous to address. His words, "And I have the Obama campaign's surrogate notes right here," made it appear as if he intended to show he was brazen enough to be off-message on the topic. If he values his status as a campaign surrogate, why use that status to stick up for Bain Capital? Why imply that even he, as an Obama campaign surrogate, has no problem with Bain Capital? Why on Meet the Press?
Sure, he threw some shade on the Romney campaign to seem equivocal, but he stuck his neck out for Bain Capital and gave the Romney squad mad inadvertent love. It was bumbling. This isn't a case of the media extrapolating half his statement. He went all in. Stupid.

[Clay_Bonifield]

Corey Booker unhitched his mount from the POTUS's wagon train. Hope it winds up worth it. Whatever his motives or the degree of gaff, he can hand those surrogate notes back in. Tipped his hand too soon.
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http://video.msnbc.msn.com/now-with-...6073/#47506073

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...i-Bain-message

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ry-booker.html
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Thanks Corey. Thanks for nuthin'. Thanks especially for all the ad fodder for the Romney machine. Slap Harold for me when you see him.

i would not expect anything less from harold, who is by far the most self serving contributor on any news program. that guy will say anything that gets him invited back to that conservative's show...

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

Hardball tonight is really breaking down how costly this is. I'd check it.

[mhd]

"very personal level" sounds familiar

[Clay_Bonifield]

Whats interesting is that the other part of his comments have received short shrift in the media:

"Mayor Booker – most recently famous for rescuing his neighbor from her burning house – went after Republicans, too. He disparaged the recent proposal, attributed to GOP strategists, to have an outside group attack Mr. Obama via his flame-throwing former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright."

you mean that backhanded attack on the gop? which is about as effective as "bush's past cocaine abuse should not be a part of this campaign?"

[House]

Why?

Because this campaign doesn't hinge on Bain Capital. Trying to demonize Romney via Bain Capital is a message that isn't gaining any traction and is going to backfire as both parties need the investor class in order to finance campaigns

Goldman Sachs was one of Obamas biggest contributors in 2008. Is the Obama campaign going to attack them next? Or explain why they have escaped prosecution after their role in the financial meltdown of 2008? These questions are relevant as several former Goldman employees have had senior positions in this administration

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

[House]

See how easy it was to redirect that attack into something folks dont want to talk about?

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

See how easy it was to redirect that attack into something folks dont want to talk about?

Dawg - are you seriously suggesting that Corey Booker went in on Meet the Press in order to undercut what he found to be a bad Obama campaign strategy? He was just helping the Obama campaign?

Talk about the campaign strategy all you like. Bottom line, Booker, as a SURROGATE, spoke out of turn, went against message - not just off message, but AGAINST - and put himself in the spotlight at the expense of the campaign. Content be damned. He looks as if he wants distance from the campaign. A lot of folks think Obama won't win again. May be a good time to start taking a few steps back and save myself for a run for NJ Senate seat if I'm Booker.

This wasn't Booker playing armchair campaign strategist. That cat spoke out of turn and at the very wrong time for Obama's campaign. For his own hide, however, it may have been a good thing. Kind of fucked up if you're wearing a SURROGATE'S badge, no matter the content.

[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

"very personal level" sounds familiar

What do you mean?

[House]

Dawg - are you seriously suggesting that Corey Booker went in on Meet the Press in order to undercut what he found to be a bad Obama campaign strategy? He was just helping the Obama campaign?

Talk about the campaign strategy all you like. Bottom line, Booker, as a SURROGATE, spoke out of turn, went against message - not just off message, but AGAINST - and put himself in the spotlight at the expense of the campaign. Content be damned. He looks as if he wants distance from the campaign. A lot of folks think Obama won't win again. May be a good time to start taking a few steps back and save myself for a run for NJ Senate seat if I'm Booker.

This wasn't Booker playing armchair campaign strategist. That cat spoke out of turn and at the very wrong time for Obama's campaign. For his own hide, however, it may have been a good thing. Kind of fucked up if you're wearing a SURROGATE'S badge, no matter the content.

I'm not suggesting anything

I posted something which you can't easily rebut. Or is Goldman Sachs somehow morally and ethically superior to Bain Capital?

[House4Life]

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[Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island]

I'm not suggesting anything

I posted something which you can't easily rebut. Or is Goldman Sachs somehow morally and ethically superior to Bain Capital?

What you posted was a straw man. You're now begging your own question. I have no intention of rebutting Goldman's presence in the Obama campaign and administration. Your challenge for me to do so has FUCK ALL to do with Corey Booker being on some bullshit. I don't give a fuck if the position of the Obama campaign was to tear down chocolate bunnies. No campaign surrogate better have his or her ass on Meet the Press talkin' about "In my state, we love chocolate...and I have the subordinate notes right here...I am nauseated about with this campaign's attacks on chocolate."

This thread is intended to discuss Corey Booker running off the rails and clearly creating a quagmire for the campaign he means to support. Kind of how you're posting here. Bringing up Goldman on one hand, but castigating folks for not being down for the cause on the other. You'll shame a cat all over tha P over showing the least bit of skepticism over whether Obama deserves a second term.

Then, to win an argument that only you're having, you're challenging me to accept the presence of Goldman in Obama's Administration as an equal juxtaposition to Bain Capital.

Yeah. Real effective there. Come to Booker's defense by highlighting a gross example of Obama Administration hypocrisy. Yeah. That's really motivating me to get off the fence for Obama, Mark.

So since you like to pose questions, I have one for you: does Corey Booker get a pass for the clusterfuck he caused because the presence of Goldman crew in the Obama machine validates his statement? Even if that statement did major damage to the Obama Campaign?

[House]

What you posted was a straw man. You're now begging your own question. I have no intention of rebutting Goldman's presence in the Obama campaign and administration. Your challenge for me to do so has FUCK ALL to do with Corey Booker being on some bullshit. I don't give a fuck if the position of the Obama campaign was to tear down chocolate bunnies. No campaign surrogate better have his or her ass on Meet the Press talkin' about "In my state, we love chocolate...and I have the subordinate notes right here...I am nauseated about with this campaign's attacks on chocolate."

This thread is intended to discuss Corey Booker running off the rails and clearly creating a quagmire for the campaign he means to support. Kind of how you're posting here. Bringing up Goldman on one hand, but castigating folks for not being down for the cause on the other. You'll shame a cat all over tha P over showing the least bit of skepticism over whether Obama deserves a second term.

Then, to win an argument that only you're having, you're challenging me to accept the presence of Goldman in Obama's Administration as an equal juxtaposition to Bain Capital.

Yeah. Real effective there. Come to Booker's defense by highlighting a gross example of Obama Administration hypocrisy. Yeah. That's really motivating me to get off the fence for Obama, Mark.

So since you like to pose questions, I have one for you: does Corey Booker get a pass for the clusterfuck he caused because the presence of Goldman crew in the Obama machine validates his statement? Even if that statement did major damage to the Obama Campaign?

A straw man is a faulty logical argument that is based on misrepresenting an opponents position.

What have I misrepresented and who is the opponent.

Begging the question entails using a premise as a proof

Where have I done that? Exactly?

Faulty premises lead to faulty conclusions

Of course you have no intention of rebutting the point on Goldman because as you so aptly indicated, the position is hypocritical

To answer your question about Corey Booker getting a pass, I'll quote Obama himself: "This issue is not a distraction," Obama defiantly declared at a press conference wrapping up a NATO summit in his hometown of Chicago. "This is what this campaign is going to be about."

Politics is about hypocrisy. Booker is clearly stating that this campaign shouldnt get bogged down in this stuff. Additionally, the O campaign shouldn't play this particular game because it's going to come back and bite us in the ass. As you yourself can't handle the Goldman Sachs rebuttal, he's obviously correct.

Lastly, your argument about being motivated to get off the fence for Obama is part of the problem. Missives supporting Obama on message boards are great. What about the work? Corey Booker is actually doing some. Are you? If you have to ask about getting motivated to get off the fence, Obama has already lost (btw, after a Saturday spent making over 100 calls in to the state of Iowa to round up attendees and volunteers for Obamas event in Des Moines this Thursday the time to get off the fence is now because the excitement level is not there)

The biggest defenders, like the biggest critics, are the folks sitting on the sidelines criticizing the players for how they play the game. Corey Booker is actually out there doing shit. He's EARNED his right to speak. What he said made a lot of sense as its a line of reasoning that a high school student can recognize and folks better have a better rebuttal than the tried and true "Corey Booker is another Tavis Smiley" bullshit

[mhd]

What do you mean?

verbatim to how obama prefaced his support of gay marriage, in each case, prelude to a kiss

[Ronnie Ron]

With serrogate's like that who needs enemies. Im not sure what this guy was trying to prove, the only thing he proved to me is that he is an encridible jack ass. And harold Ford is a joke cant stand him, always acting like that conservative joe scarboroughs lil Beeotch. Faux News will party on this for months, Thanks a lot Correy "The Jack Ass" Booker.

[Ronnie Ron]

A straw man is a faulty logical argument that is based on misrepresenting an opponents position.

What have I misrepresented and who is the opponent.

Begging the question entails using a premise as a proof

Where have I done that? Exactly?

Faulty premises lead to faulty conclusions

Of course you have no intention of rebutting the point on Goldman because as you so aptly indicated, the position is hypocritical

To answer your question about Corey Booker getting a pass, I'll quote Obama himself: "This issue is not a distraction," Obama defiantly declared at a press conference wrapping up a NATO summit in his hometown of Chicago. "This is what this campaign is going to be about."

Politics is about hypocrisy. Booker is clearly stating that this campaign shouldnt get bogged down in this stuff. Additionally, the O campaign shouldn't play this particular game because it's going to come back and bite us in the ass. As you yourself can't handle the Goldman Sachs rebuttal, he's obviously correct.

Lastly, your argument about being motivated to get off the fence for Obama is part of the problem. Missives supporting Obama on message boards are great. What about the work? Corey Booker is actually doing some. Are you? If you have to ask about getting motivated to get off the fence, Obama has already lost (btw, after a Saturday spent making over 100 calls in to the state of Iowa to round up attendees and volunteers for Obamas event in Des Moines this Thursday the time to get off the fence is now because the excitement level is not there)

The biggest defenders, like the biggest critics, are the folks sitting on the sidelines criticizing the players for how they play the game. Corey Booker is actually out there doing shit. He's EARNED his right to speak. What he said made a lot of sense as its a line of reasoning that a high school student can recognize and folks better have a better rebuttal than the tried and true "Corey Booker is another Tavis Smiley" bullshit

Your right Corey Booker does have the right to speak, but he doesnt have the right to sagatoge the Obama Campaign and yes what he did yesterday was absolute Sabatoge, stay on message, dont deviate, thats elementary man, you cant defend that, what he did was absolutely wrong! keep your personal feelings to yourself or dont help at all, because what he did was not considered help. The Obama Administration's mission is to make sure they can give the country a choice, what side are you on? do you want a president that will get all his buddies paid while stickiing it to you, or do you want a president that will try his best to simply get something back that was taken for so many years by these folks that dont play by the rules because they have loads and loads of cash, thats not democracy thats bullshit. Nobody is saying that business cant make a profit, thats kool, but dont FK the little guy while your doing it. Corey Booker did not help make that point.

[DeesKo]

Dawg - are you seriously suggesting that Corey Booker went in on Meet the Press in order to undercut what he found to be a bad Obama campaign strategy? He was just helping the Obama campaign?

Talk about the campaign strategy all you like. Bottom line, Booker, as a SURROGATE, spoke out of turn, went against message - not just off message, but AGAINST - and put himself in the spotlight at the expense of the campaign. Content be damned. He looks as if he wants distance from the campaign. A lot of folks think Obama won't win again. May be a good time to start taking a few steps back and save myself for a run for NJ Senate seat if I'm Booker.

This wasn't Booker playing armchair campaign strategist. That cat spoke out of turn and at the very wrong time for Obama's campaign. For his own hide, however, it may have been a good thing. Kind of fucked up if you're wearing a SURROGATE'S badge, no matter the content.

Dawg - are you seriously suggesting that Corey Booker went in on Meet the Press in order to undercut what he found to be a bad Obama campaign strategy? He was just helping the Obama campaign?

Talk about the campaign strategy all you like. Bottom line, Booker, as a SURROGATE, spoke out of turn, went against message - not just off message, but AGAINST - and put himself in the spotlight at the expense of the campaign. Content be damned. He looks as if he wants distance from the campaign. A lot of folks think Obama won't win again. May be a good time to start taking a few steps back and save myself for a run for NJ Senate seat if I'm Booker.

This wasn't Booker playing armchair campaign strategist. That cat spoke out of turn and at the very wrong time for Obama's campaign. For his own hide, however, it may have been a good thing. Kind of fucked up if you're wearing a SURROGATE'S badge, no matter the content.

I don't remember where I read this, but the popular assumption now is that Booker is planning on running for a state seat next election and has been actively courting the investment banking/VC community in NJ for quite some time and that his comments were directly tied to his courting them for his future run at office.

Dude has done wonders for Newark and seems to be a great guy, but this was just a foul move on his part. It's also indicative of a larger issue within the Democratic party. Cats REFUSE to stay on message.

The Republican party could announce that the sky is green and mufuckas will be declaring the sky green for the next 5 years and you will NOT be able to get anyone to admit otherwise.

Democrats announce the sky is green & within 34 seconds, some other Democrat will be holding a press conference to discuss proof that the sky is not green, just to show off.

[House]

Your right Corey Booker does have the right to speak, but he doesnt have the right to sagatoge the Obama Campaign and yes what he did yesterday was absolute Sabatoge, stay on message, dont deviate, thats elementary man, you cant defend that, what he did was absolutely wrong! keep your personal feelings to yourself or dont help at all, because what he did was not considered help. The Obama Administration's mission is to make sure they can give the country a choice, what side are you on? do you want a president that will get all his buddies paid while stickiing it to you, or do you want a president that will try his best to simply get something back that was taken for so many years by these folks that dont play by the rules because they have loads and loads of cash, thats not democracy thats bullshit. Nobody is saying that business cant make a profit, thats kool, but dont FK the little guy while your doing it. Corey Booker did not help make that point.

If that's the message you better have some answers to rebuttals of points which you brought up:

The president has loads and loads of cash
Goldman Sachs has fucked the little guy
The presidents buddies in the finance industry have gotten paid (Wall Street Bailout) and we've been stuck w the check

Corey Bookers role isn't that of a Stepford wife. He gave an intelligent response that blasted both campaigns ( I wonder how many actually watched the show or listened to his response in its entirety) Additionally, he would be foolish to ignore his own situation as the DNC (and it's putative head) will surely ignore his. Just ask the democrats in Wisconsin who were sabotaged by both in their effort to recall Gov Walker

[House]

Lol


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...c1eU_blog.html



In Washington, there’s an old cliche: A gaffe is when a politician is accidentally honest.

That’s what happened to Newark (N.J.) Mayor Cory Booker during an appearance on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday. Booker, who is widely regarded as a fast riser in Democratic politics, veered badly off message when he defended Bain Capital — the longtime employer of former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney — and described the negative tone of the campaign as “nauseating”.
You can watch Booker’s performance for yourself here:

[Koffy Brown]

I don't remember where I read this, but the popular assumption now is that Booker is planning on running for a state seat next election and has been actively courting the investment banking/VC community in NJ for quite some time and that his comments were directly tied to his courting them for his future run at office.

Dude has done wonders for Newark and seems to be a great guy, but this was just a foul move on his part. It's also indicative of a larger issue within the Democratic party. Cats REFUSE to stay on message.

The Republican party could announce that the sky is green and mufuckas will be declaring the sky green for the next 5 years and you will NOT be able to get anyone to admit otherwise.

Democrats announce the sky is green & within 34 seconds, some other Democrat will be holding a press conference to discuss proof that the sky is not green, just to show off.

Agreed!! Really disappointed with Corey

[House]

I don't remember where I read this, but the popular assumption now is that Booker is planning on running for a state seat next election and has been actively courting the investment banking/VC community in NJ for quite some time and that his comments were directly tied to his courting them for his future run at office.

Dude has done wonders for Newark and seems to be a great guy, but this was just a foul move on his part. It's also indicative of a larger issue within the Democratic party. Cats REFUSE to stay on message.

The Republican party could announce that the sky is green and mufuckas will be declaring the sky green for the next 5 years and you will NOT be able to get anyone to admit otherwise.

Democrats announce the sky is green & within 34 seconds, some other Democrat will be holding a press conference to discuss proof that the sky is not green, just to show off.

When the message is ridiculous, cats are free to voice their displeasure with it. Booker pointed this out and scolded both sides for negative campaigning. ( Rightfully so. Studies have shown that negative campaigning effectively reduces voter turnout)

He was stating that we can do better and the tenor is harming the body politic

4 years back, Obama was making this same argument.

This was called "Change". (I guess we've gone off that message)

[DeesKo]

When the message is ridiculous, cats are free to voice their displeasure with it. Booker pointed this out and scolded both sides for negative campaigning. ( Rightfully so. Studies have shown that negative campaigning effectively reduces voter turnout)

He was stating that we can do better and the tenor is harming the body politic

4 years back, Obama was making this same argument.

This was called "Change". (I guess we've gone off that message)

My knee jerk / baseline reaction:

If he wanted to give the Obama campaign advice, I'm sure he's got Axelrod's phone number.

Instead, he went off script knowing his comments were going to be used by the GOP in the exact manner they are being used to satisfy his own end goal.

Like I said though, Democrats have this thing about them where they can't just stay on message in public and handle their shit behind closed doors. Nah, they gotta call press conferences and hop on national news shows running their yaps trying to show off their intellectitude to prove how more forward-thinking they are in comparison to those they are complaining about, or leave a motherfucker hanging in the breeze if they can't feel intellectually superior to them.

I used to work in an office with two guys who would spend 20 minutes of every meeting arguing the most minute, ridiculous bullshit for no other reason than to generate attention for their intellect and their ability to see multiple sides of any topic. That's what Democrats are like... two people arguing, in public, over some dumb shit just to entertain their own visions of intellectualness.

My sitting on the shitter and thinking about this some more reaction:

I wonder if they whole thing is an okey doke/setup & the Romney campaign has bought it, hook line & sinker?

There are some upsides to this little outburst, if played right. I wonder if it's a setup.

I dunno which way to lean.

What's more likely, Obama being a master strategist or Democrats willingly fucking each other over for their own benefit?

Peace

[House]

Rob. Attacking negative campaigning ( remember that message from 4 years ago?) isn't arguing over "dumb shit". Additionally, as the negative tone has increased, in the aggregate, support for both candidates has dropped. People are tired of hearing about how fucked up the other guy is. In the midst of a recession, people are more concerned with hearing about the plan for getting us out of this mess

Negative campaigns and the electorate:

http://pcl.stanford.edu/research/books/goingnegative/

http://books.google.com/books/about/...d=8YN3Rj7PQFUC