New York City to ban big sodas

[bomb cola]

Nobody's "rights" are being changed. There is nothing stopping you from buying 10 soft drinks at your favorite fast food joint, or taking advantage of refills, etc. ...

Sure there is, it's called income level. Poor people can't afford to buy 10 soft drinks, but they can afford to buy one extra large. This is Bloomberg saying, "You dumb poor people can't control yourselves, so I'm going to act like your daddy".

And you're in favor of this. Tell me again how you like Ron Paul.

[the crackhouse]

... PARENTS HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY...

It should be the only argument, but when you're poor, your responsibilities (money/budget wise) cannot be "rached".

Junk food shit is cheaper than everything healthy, or maybe you'll have to cook everything. I was shocked when I saw those hamburgers menus at 2.5$ in San Francisco last summer!

Idance

[TAD]

"control oil and you control nations, control food and you control people"
Henry Kissmyassinger

[Moksha]

I'm well aware of the law that didn't pass. A law I was for. Show me where I talked about anything being totalitarian. Oh you can't, because I didn't. What I suggested I believe would yield much better results. If they can do it to ciggs, why can't they do it to junk food?

Wasn't arguing with u! I agree with you! Others in the thread talked draconian nanny state etc.

[Moksha]

edit- no surprise that Moksha is for this BS. I bet he would be in favor of limiting the slices of cheese one could put on their cheeseburger. I mean, his taxes pay for health care. He should have personal veto power of other people's decisions.

This law places no limits on how much soda one can drink.

[sammyrock]

Our Billionaire Mayor is out of fucking control. He's acting as if this is a dictatorship. It's really beyond over-the-top the shit he's been pushing through as laws. I honestly don't see how this will pass legislation, but then again, I was shocked when smoking in parks and on beaches became against the law.

This IS a Dick - tata - shit.

[ngeso]

Speaking by satellite to the All Things D technology event in California -- a previously scheduled appearance -- Bloomberg said, "This is something we think we have the legal authority to do. We¹re not taking away anybody's right to do something; we're simply making it different for them in how they do it." He said he hoped the move will help lead to different behaviors.

The city spends $4 billion a year on medical care for overweight people, he said.

The $4 billion comes out of communal taxes, or where does it come from?

[bomb cola]

This law places no limits on how much soda one can drink.

It restricts the amount that can be sold. 64oz cups for soda are now banned. Have to buy two 32oz sodas now. That costs money, so in effect in DOES restrict the amount of soda one can drink. Again, this is punitive to the poor. Kind of surprised you seem unable to grasp this.

Let's not forget this doesn't effect places like Starbucks were those that aren't poor can purchase drinks with over 1000 calories.


Ron Paul!!!

[Armento]

Good to see Moksha wake up. My only hope for a differing opinion in here was mhd which scares me pissless

[Sal Paradise]

good to see moksha wake up. My only hope for a differing opinion in here was mhd which scares me pissless

U think MHD & Moksha are the only people with their own opinions here? Wow.

[Armento]

U think MHD & Moksha are the only people with their own opinions here? Wow.

Not at all. I was just ready to read a lot of agreement in here which isn't much of a conversation. The study Bloomberg talks about is interesting. I don't really know what to think about this thing yet. Don't think it's anything akin to totalitarianism though and isn't any slippery slope

[bomb cola]

Not at all. I was just ready to read a lot of agreement in here which isn't much of a conversation. The study Bloomberg talks about is interesting. I don't really know what to think about this thing yet. Don't think it's anything akin to totalitarianism though and isn't any slippery slope

Really? The Executive makes a decree that certain size sodas can no longer be sold at certain locations under the false guise of public health, and it's not a slippery slope? Do tell.

[Moksha]

It restricts the amount that can be sold. 64oz cups for soda are now banned. Have to buy two 32oz sodas now. That costs money, so in effect in DOES restrict the amount of soda one can drink. Again, this is punitive to the poor. Kind of surprised you seem unable to grasp this.

Let's not forget this doesn't effect places like Starbucks were those that aren't poor can purchase drinks with over 1000 calories.


Ron Paul!!!

This is for fountain drinks only. Restaurants can price refills however they want. No need for a price difference. Also, obesity is far more punitive than the increased price of buying 2 32oz sodas. (And Jesus Christ, NOBODY should be drinking that much soda anyway!)

The choice to me is this:

Empower government - in a democracy, this is a gov by and for the people. And in this instance, it is working to promote public welfare - gov's greatest purpose.

Empower corporations - soda companies have spent billions brainwashing demand for poison into our minds. They have spent unlimited resources on the science behind biologically manipulating our reward centers with chemicals that are killing us.

I go with gov working for the public good instead of corps interested in profits, not public health.

P.S. You obviously totally missed the point of my Ron Paul posts. RIF

[mhd]

Good to see Moksha wake up. My only hope for a differing opinion in here was mhd which scares me pissless

lol, moksha is right on point, couldn't agree more, cats up in arms about 64 oz of soda, wtf?

[TAD]

Sometimes too much freedom can be more controlling by virtue of its ability to allow irresponsible adults to lose control by slow suicide including poisoning their children with 64oz sodas instead of perhaps a 10 oz and some water.

Drinking sugary beverages does not quench thirst. It actually increases it. So like the crackhead who cant wait for the next fix, people who consume copious amounts of soda need more to satisfy the addictive
properties of sugar.

Sometimes folks have to be babied.

[bomb cola]

This is for fountain drinks only. Restaurants can price refills however they want. No need for a price difference. Also, obesity is far more punitive than the increased price of buying 2 32oz sodas. (And Jesus Christ, NOBODY should be drinking that much soda anyway!)

The choice to me is this:

Empower government - in a democracy, this is a gov by and for the people. And in this instance, it is working to promote public welfare - gov's greatest purpose.

Empower corporations - soda companies have spent billions brainwashing demand for poison into our minds. They have spent unlimited resources on the science behind biologically manipulating our reward centers with chemicals that are killing us.

I go with gov working for the public good instead of corps interested in profits, not public health.

P.S. You obviously totally missed the point of my Ron Paul posts. RIF

Nah, I didn't miss a thing about you and Ron Paul. Thanks for playing, though.

You talk about empowerment goverment by the people. This isn't an example of it. It's a fiat by a self righteous billionaire. The fact that you don't get that actually kind of surprises me.

"(And Jesus Christ, NOBODY should be drinking that much soda anyway!)"


Like I said, you'll be demanding that people limit the slices of cheese on a chesseburger. Not everyone who drinks a large soda is obese. Maybe you are, but I'm not. Why should my decisions be limited due to your inability to control yourself?

It's laughable that you're trying to assert that this will have any effect on coporate profits when you, yourself, point out that ban only effects restaurant fountain drinks. So what is this really about? It's about Bloomberg trying to substititue his judgement for his constituents without asking them what they want.

That's lame.

[neon]

What if it's a hot day, and a little tiny mini water bottle doesn't do it for me?

What will they do when I pass out?

:(

[Sal Paradise]

What if it's a hot day, and a little tiny mini water bottle doesn't do it for me?

What will they do when I pass out?

:(

It's not a ban on anything big sized just junk like soda, which would just dehydrate you on a hot day anyway.

[TAD]

What if it's a hot day, and a little tiny mini water bottle doesn't do it for me?

What will they do when I pass out?

:(

So refill on sodas but not water which is readily available via a water fountain, sink, convenience store?

Soda is a diuretic. It increases thirst which on a hot day can actually
increase heat exhaustion. So if you pass out it won't be from not drinking enough h20, it would probably result from laziness to seek out h20 in favor of the big gulp.

[Moksha]

Nah, I didn't miss a thing about you and Ron Paul. Thanks for playing, though.

You obviously did if you're referencing him in relation to my position in this topic

You talk about empowerment goverment by the people. This isn't an example of it. It's a fiat by a self righteous billionaire. The fact that you don't get that actually kind of surprises me.

A mayor democratically elected (3 times!) by the citizens of this city who, whether you agree with this proposal or not, is undoubtedly fighting this cause for the welfare of the people... unlike the unelected, profit-motivated marketing teams and scientists responsible for the poisons now ruing the lives of millions of kids [disproportionately at lower income levels], whose resulting and avoidable healthcare bills I will have to pick up through my taxes.

"(And Jesus Christ, NOBODY should be drinking that much soda anyway!)"
Like I said, you'll be demanding that people limit the slices of cheese on a chesseburger. Not everyone who drinks a large soda is obese. Maybe you are, but I'm not. Why should my decisions be limited due to your inability to control yourself?

If you think an "ability to control yourself" has anything to do with this... then you are so far behind in the science on this topic that your opinions are pretty dated.

Again - this proposal does not LIMIT anything - a fact you continue to ignore. Unlike the very real limits on what kind of seat toddlers need to sit on in a car, the number of particles of numerous substances that also potentially have serious effects on health per million units, and the myriad other public health laws that place much heavier restrictions on producers and consumers that nobody seems to be moaning about. Indeed, arguments against helmet, raw milk, and fluoride in water - while also ridiculous - have much stronger legs to stand on than this one, which doesn't limit, ban or even tax a known harm to public health.

It's laughable that you're trying to assert that this will have any effect on coporate profits when you, yourself, point out that ban only effects restaurant fountain drinks.

I never said that this will effect profits. I'm just pointing out that we can either side with a democratic government (supported by pretty much every governmental and non-governmental health organization that could be bothered to comment), which is motivated by promoting public welfare.

Or we could support unconstrained access to an addictive poison that is ruthlessly formulated and marketed solely to make profits, with absolutely zero care given to public welfare.

I choose the former.

So what is this really about? It's about Bloomberg trying to substititue his judgement for his constituents without asking them what they want.

That's lame.

That's how government works. You obviously have some sort of overarching problem with Bloomy, which is fine... but that doesn't change the fact that this policy would probably make the citizens of NYC some small fraction of a degree healthier, happier, richer and longer lived in the long run. That doesn't sound lame to me. It sounds like good public policy making.

[Armento]

Should go further. Cut sugar content by 25% in all sodas shipped to NYC. Kind of like Utah does with the 2% ABV on beer.

[Martin Red]

demanding that people limit the slices of cheese on a chesseburger.

Cheese comes from Milk, US Milk is banned in Europe, due to bovine growth hormones.


IMHO, in the big scheme of things, Soda pop is the least of our worries (he states on page 2 of epic thread about piss buckets).

[DaBownca]

Good idea in theory or intent but suspect in a time where freedoms are vanishing left and right

[Martin Red]

Good idea in theory or intent but suspect in a time where freedoms are vanishing left and right

Freedom is wasted on trivial shit like this to be honest mate. Whilst the important freedoms are lost daily, but no one noticed because those freedoms aint got the kapow X factor

soda pops have X factor, WOOOOOOH for humans, GO HUMANS ! AINT WE NEAT, SLUUUUURP !

[El Mayimbe]

Freedom is wasted on trivial shit like this to be honest mate

Oh you mean kinda like seeing your tax dollars celebrating the Queens jubilee