Mark Farina kicked off Vegas outdoor venue

[Fletch]

Was there a written agreement between Farina and the venue?

If so, were there terms regarding the music he would play?

if there was an agreement, was there a provision in the agreement that gives the venue
the ability to remove and reschedule at the venue's discretion?

[Fletch]

nm

[Armento]

that was 10 paragraph of nothing he wrote...when I came away from the piece, i knew just as much as when I started reading. Time I cannot get back.

for real.. what the fuck did he say besides self congratulate? at least i was on the shitter so time wasn't wasted

[Sal Paradise]

for real.. what the fuck did he say besides self congratulate? at least i was on the shitter so time wasn't wasted

I couldn't even read it, who was that guy his manager? I'm sure Farina made his money any way. Seems like Miguel Migs got on, bored the big spenders and they abandon ship, went back to the same old script and made that money.

[Armento]

I couldn't even read it, who was that guy his manager? I'm sure Farina made his money any way. Seems like Miguel Migs got on, bored the big spenders and they abandon ship, went back to the same old script and made that money.

sounds like the promoter of the party?

all i know is my cousins were at this table and they had no idea what happened, who was playing nor could they give less shits.

[Fletch]

To be honest, one should be careful about what one says on twitter, fb.
Making statements that you "got the boot" on Twitter could rub venues
the wrong way if they see the tweet! Just a thought.

[El Mayimbe]

Anyone noticed Resident Advisor's latest photo entry? kinda ironic no?


http://www.residentadvisor.net/photo...aspx?set=23427














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[DaveR]

Anyone noticed Resident Advisor's latest photo entry? kinda ironic no?


http://www.residentadvisor.net/photo...aspx?set=23427














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Looks like a nice/fun crowd ... but even my old eyes can only see 3 people with a drink in their hand(s), and emtpy cabanas

[sammyrock]

"threatening to overtake Miami’s Winter Music Conference as the big go-to dance music confab in the U.S."

Vegas competing with the WMC ? I might attend to check it out if this is true.

[Murf]

they are huge draws - and I love them both -- actually all 3 b/c Pauly D was a really cool dude the one time I met him

Tell me more about meeting Pauly D ....

no homo

[Myron]

This trend of kicking off underground dance music DJ's off the decks reflects a clash of two distinct clubbing cultures. It will continue to happen while American EDM culture (I think it is time to view the mainstream embrace of dance music as something distinct from underground house, techno, etc. They are related but as far as the underground is concerned it is distinct) figures out its relationship to the underground.

I could see why some underground dance DJ's would jump at the chance at spinning at clubs like Mansion. They fogure that this US interest in EDM would give them the opportunity to spin domestically more often, thus cutting down the amount of travel they do, giving them more time to spend with their families (very important as these guys are getting older). However, they are increasingly find that this current version of EDM culture has its own rules that they need to follow that they were not used to. Guys like Mark Farina and Dennis Ferrar may be superstar DJ's to house music audiences but to an audience weaned on Deadmaus and Skrillix, it's "Who?"

The promised land of more lucrative US based gigs suddenly does not look so promising. In the end the promoters and venue owners will not hire these types of DJ's and some of these DJ's may decide (or not) that these gigs at places like Mansion may not be worh the trouble but in the end mainstream EDM and underground house will continue to travel in their separate but relatwd directions.

[DaveR]

Tell me more about meeting Pauly D ....

no homo

we DJd the same event ... he was cool & friendly to everyone (taking time to take pics w/ the organizers' kids, etc) - zero attitude

[DaveR]

This trend of kicking off underground dance music DJ's off the decks reflects a clash of two distinct clubbing cultures. It will continue to happen while American EDM culture (I think it is time to view the mainstream embrace of dance music as something distinct from underground house, techno, etc. They are related but as far as the underground is concerned it is distinct) figures out its relationship to the underground.

I could see why some underground dance DJ's would jump at the chance at spinning at clubs like Mansion. They fogure that this US interest in EDM would give them the opportunity to spin domestically more often, thus cutting down the amount of travel they do, giving them more time to spend with their families (very important as these guys are getting older). However, they are increasingly find that this current version of EDM culture has its own rules that they need to follow that they were not used to. Guys like Mark Farina and Dennis Ferrar may be superstar DJ's to house music audiences but to an audience weaned on Deadmaus and Skrillix, it's "Who?"

The promised land of more lucrative US based gigs suddenly does not look so promising. In the end the promoters and venue owners will not hire these types of DJ's and some of these DJ's may decide (or not) that these gigs at places like Mansion may not be worh the trouble but in the end mainstream EDM and underground house will continue to travel in their separate but relatwd directions.

I feel what you're saying, and I think I understand the spirit ... but Farina and Ferrer are not underground - they are very much above ground, and have been for a long while, w/ thousands of fans from all walks of life

[Myron]

I feel what you're saying, and I think I understand the spirit ... but Farina and Ferrer are not underground - they are very much above ground, and have been for a long while, w/ thousands of fans from all walks of life

"Underground" and "commercial" are relative terms. Within the dance music world they are commercial, having crossed over into the overground from their underground roots years ago. To the clientele of the Mansions of the world their accomplishments and success means nothing. They have no crediblity within that world (if they did they would not have been pulled from their gigs).

[the crackhouse]

I feel what you're saying, and I think I understand the spirit ... but Farina and Ferrer are not underground - they are very much above ground, and have been for a long while, w/ thousands of fans from all walks of life

Are they played on the radio? To me that's (Europe) mainstream.

Never heard a Farina or Ferrer tune on my FM for ages. I wouldn't say that for Guetta or Felix Da Housecat, Tiesto is strangely rarely on my FM but everyone know is name and supagigs.

Farina and Ferrer are more like Carl Cox to me: able to bring thousands to a house/techno night, playing Ibiza, but that's not the mainstream club party people. Those guys who listen to their FM all day long, in their cars, and like to drink and show-off in mainstream nightclub on saturday nights, barely dancing but yelling over the same FM hits they heard all week long.
Real consumers!

My Belgian cents.

Idance

[DaveR]

"Underground" and "commercial" are relative terms ...

relative to what?

I bought Mushroom Jazz CD in a store (that charged me sales tax) ...

'relative' is often a useless word for self-soothing, and often the reason why folks continue to get in these types of situations, and don't know how to get out of them

[DaveR]

Are they played on the radio? To me that's (Europe) mainstream.

Never heard a Farina or Ferrer tune on my FM for ages. I wouldn't say that for Guetta or Felix Da Housecat, Tiesto is strangely rarely on my FM but everyone know is name and supagigs.

Farina and Ferrer are more like Carl Cox to me: able to bring thousands to a house/techno night, playing Ibiza, but that's not the mainstream club party people. Those guys who listen to their FM all day long, in their cars, and like to drink and show-off in mainstream nightclub on saturday nights, barely dancing but yelling over the same FM hits they heard all week long.
Real consumers!

My Belgian cents.

Idance

I hear ya, and understand what you're saying ... however, end of story, these guys were booked at Marqee VEGAS - that alone, kinda kills the underground campaign

[DaveR]

Maybe this can help put this Underground nonsense to rest

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=mushroom+jazz&ic=16_0&Find=Find&search_constraint=4104

[Sal Paradise]

Maybe this can help put this Underground nonsense to rest

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=mushroom+jazz&ic=16_0&Find=Find&search_constraint=4104

Funny I always felt like the Mushroom Jazz series sounded like some muzak wallmart would be pumping out of it's speakers. Not my thing.

[DaveR]

Funny I always felt like the Mushroom Jazz series sounded like some muzak wallmart would be pumping out of it's speakers. Not my thing.

Underground Walmart

[Myron]

relative to what?

I bought Mushroom Jazz CD in a store (that charged me sales tax) ...

'relative' is often a useless word for self-soothing, and often the reason why folks continue to get in these types of situations, and don't know how to get out of them

Usually when the word "commercial" comes up in a conversation among dance music heads it usually means "not the sound I was expecting in an 'underground' environment (whatever that means)" or "a sound I don't see like," so that term really comes to mean nothing to me when mentioned in relation to dance music.

[DaveR]

Usually when the word "commercial"is comes up in a conversation among dance msuic heads it usually means "not the sound I was expecting in an 'underground' environment (whatever that means)" or "a sound I don't see like," so that term really comes to mean nothing to me when mentioned in relation to dance music.

cool ... now, what does Walmart (and that's just one example) mean to you?

[Sal Paradise]

Underground Walmart

That's a magazine article I'd like to read. Walmart is just to big with to many employees not to have some sort of underground.

[DaveR]

... Walmart is just to big with to many employees not to have some sort of underground.

wot!?

[Myron]

cool ... now, what does Walmart (and that's just one example) mean to you?

I live in NYC so Walmart means nothing to me.