Pac Man & Bradley streaming fight links?

**Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island** · 06-10-2012, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by DaBownca

The issue was that Floyd was too grand to take a 50-/50 split.
@ Danny the whole "not be seen by the world of boxing" thing can be applied to FMjr as well but he didn't get robbed and Cotto actually won rounds against him

Yeah, but the subject is about why Pacquaio was so blatantly robbed. FMJr is self-promoted. Paq is promoted by Bob Arum, who is hands down considered the most erratic and duplicitous promoter not named Don King. FMJr occupies a business space all by himself in the world of boxing. If he fights or doesn't fight, it's only his money at risk. Paquaio occupies the business space of others and is making a career of DENYING the sport it's biggest prize: the Mayweather Pacquaio Superfight. That puts a lot of people's money at risk.

Hence, FMJr can weather political storms that Paquaio obviously cannot. FMJr chooses not to fight, he doesn't have allegiances to maintain. Paquaio's career is built upon allegiances.

Bottom line, someone else called for that ridiculous decision last night. That wasn't judges' prerogative. That was someone getting to the judges. Who would want to do that and why?

Keep in mind that Bob Arum promotes both Pacquaio and Bradley. One judge was for Paq. One judge was for Bradley and the third was for whomever the note in the moneyed envelope told him to be for. See what I'm sayin'?

Shit - it could be backlash against Bob Arum, who is such a prick, even HBO regrets having to deal with him. Arum has a prize jewel in Pacquaio and he knows it and deals for fights expecting everyone to cross the palm and kiss his ass. There's no straight business with Arum. Last night was business on a level that has nothing to do with the craft of boxing.

There's only one reason someone would set Pacquaio up to lose, and that's if it satisfied the interests of someone who isn't Bob Arum.

**DaBownca** · 06-10-2012, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island

Yeah, but the subject is about why Pacquaio was so blatantly robbed. FMJr is self-promoted. Paq is promoted by Bob Arum, who is hands down considered the most erratic and duplicitous promoter not named Don King. FMJr occupies a business space all by himself in the world of boxing. If he fights or doesn't fight, it's only his money at risk. Paquaio occupies the business space of others and is making a career of DENYING the sport it's biggest prize: the Mayweather Pacquaio Superfight. That puts a lot of people's money at risk.

Hence, FMJr can weather political storms that Paquaio obviously cannot. FMJr chooses not to fight, he doesn't have allegiances to maintain. Paquaio's career is built upon allegiances.

Bottom line, someone else called for that ridiculous decision last night. That wasn't judges' prerogative. That was someone getting to the judges. Who would want to do that and why?

Keep in mind that Bob Arum promotes both Pacquaio and Bradley. One judge was for Paq. One judge was for Bradley and the third was for whomever the note in the moneyed envelope told him to be for. See what I'm sayin'?

Shit - it could be backlash against Bob Arum, who is such a prick, even HBO regrets having to deal with him. Arum has a prize jewel in Pacquaio and he knows it and deals for fights expecting everyone to cross the palm and kiss his ass. There's no straight business with Arum. Last night was business on a level that has nothing to do with the craft of boxing.

There's only one reason someone would set Pacquaio up to lose, and that's if it satisfied the interests of someone who isn't Bob Arum.

Ok I feel you. I remember a discussion about how Pac didn't HAVE tofight PBF because he could get 20 milluy a pop fighting Arum stable fighters.

**Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island** · 06-10-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by DaBownca

Ok I feel you. I remember a discussion about how Pac didn't HAVE tofight PBF because he could get 20 milluy a pop fighting Arum stable fighters.

Yeah, well Paq may not have to fight Mayweather, but boxing needs him to fight Mayweather. If he doesn't he's at odds with boxing. Just like that Manny Paq goes from rock solid PFP favorite to a guy with a question mark over his head. If he wants to remove that question mark, he'll have to fight Bradley again, then Mayweather. This type of obvious gross manipulation is an old practice. Sure, everyone knows it's b.s. and part of the folklore around boxing is how dirty it can be outside the ring. People love discussing that. No one is going to boycott Mayweather v. Pacquaio because of what happened last night. What they may do is avoid paying $79.99 to see Pacquaio v. Bradley II. That would make Mayweather v. Pacquaio even more urgent for Paq. Paq turned down $40MM guaranteed because Mayweather didn't want to give up a PPV split. If the rematch with Bradley doesn't do good PPV numbers, Paq's negotiating position will be severely eroded.

It's all a dogonne waxworks of lies, man. If you don't get a stoppage in the ring, all sorts of factors can take over. Antonio Tarver fought a couple weekends ago and his trainer Jimmy Williams told him in the 12th to knock out Kayode because "It's too close and I don't trust these guys." And this is Tarver fighting on Showtime and he frickin' works for Showtime!!! Paq better recognize that he doesn't have enough juice on his own to make folks afraid to pull crap like last night. He also better realize that the players in his division are through with Bob Arum's bullshit.

**DaBownca** · 06-10-2012, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island

Yeah, well Paq may not have to fight Mayweather, but boxing needs him to fight Mayweather. If he doesn't he's at odds with boxing. Just like that Manny Paq goes from rock solid PFP favorite to a guy with a question mark over his head. If he wants to remove that question mark, he'll have to fight Bradley again, then Mayweather. This type of obvious gross manipulation is an old practice. Sure, everyone knows it's b.s. and part of the folklore around boxing is how dirty it can be outside the ring. People love discussing that. No one is going to boycott Mayweather v. Pacquaio because of what happened last night. What they may do is avoid paying $79.99 to see Pacquaio v. Bradley II. That would make Mayweather v. Pacquaio even more urgent for Paq. Paq turned down $40MM guaranteed because Mayweather didn't want to give up a PPV split. If the rematch with Bradley doesn't do good PPV numbers, Paq's negotiating position will be severely eroded.

It's all a dogonne waxworks of lies, man. If you don't get a stoppage in the ring, all sorts of factors can take over. Antonio Tarver fought a couple weekends ago and his trainer Jimmy Williams told him in the 12th to knock out Kayode because "It's too close and I don't trust these guys." And this is Tarver fighting on Showtime and he frickin' works for Showtime!!! Paq better recognize that he doesn't have enough juice on his own to make folks afraid to pull crap like last night. He also better realize that the players in his division are through with Bob Arum's bullshit.

They been claiming to be through with Arum since the Ali end days and they did boycott him for a while but he's weaseled back in. I know I am out on a linb for this but I see it going like this. Bradley steps aside and they make Pac - PBF with the winner to face bradley. They are stupid like that

**Fletch** · 06-10-2012, 02:16 PM

I didn't see this fight. I do want to see it, to really see whether the judges scorecards were on the same page with the public.

If there was a conspiracy, why would it be in favor of an unknown like Bradley. Remember, Pac is the big money fighter, and everyone wants Pac/Mayweather. If there was a conspiracy, this was a mighty strange one!

Having said that, I saw a previous Bradley fight, v. Holt in 2009. Dude got knocked down TWICE, and was still able to win that bout! Although Bradley did work Holt's body in the mid-rounds, he had a questionable chin! That chin was why I didn't order the Pac fight! I thought Pac would finish him in at least 5.

Let me see the Pac/Bradley replay for myself!

**DaBownca** · 06-10-2012, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Fletch

I didn't see this fight. I do want to see it, to really see whether the judges scorecards were on the same page with the public.

have you seen anyone ANYWHERE indicate it was even close?

**SoundScience** · 06-10-2012, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Fletch

I didn't see this fight. I do want to see it, to really see whether the judges scorecards were on the same page with the public.

I saw it..there is no question MP won this fight. Manny's domination over Bradley last night was far more definitive than FMjr's win over Cotto..hands down.

**DJ Timmy Richardson** · 06-10-2012, 05:18 PM

One thing for sure is that PBF easily beats both of them. Bradley will get popped all day long cuz he has no defenxse. I'm also guessing the PPV numbers aren't going to be all that.

**Jay Rags** · 06-11-2012, 11:50 AM

If I were Manny, and had the choice, I wouldn't fight a rematch. I would help try to make that deal with Floyd somehow late this year. I would ignore the loss and try to do that rematch next year. Although, I did see them holding a big sign at the post fight conference with the rematch date already printed!(lol)...the post fight news conference at that!

**DJ Timmy Richardson** · 06-11-2012, 01:49 PM

I'm convinced that as long as Arum promotes PAC, there will be no PBF fight with him. Arum is making King look like a saint.

**Jay Rags** · 06-11-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Timmy Richardson

I'm convinced that as long as Arum promotes PAC, there will be no PBF fight with him. Arum is making King look like a saint.

You may just be right....anytime a fighter goes directly to the other fighter to try and make a deal then you know something's up. Plus, after that last Manny/Marquez fight many of the PBF opponents got just a lil more quiet.

**silverbull** · 06-11-2012, 04:24 PM

Havent seen the fight yet either but after what im hearing and reading and what my friends/co workers are saying it really sounds like Manny won pretty easily. Lil by lil im getting a bit disgusted by boxing and i never thought i would even phantom saying a sentence like that before.

**D J 1 3 8** · 06-11-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by silverbull

i never thought i would even phantom saying a sentence like that

you mean "fathom"

**silverbull** · 06-11-2012, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by D J 1 3 8

you mean "fathom"

You're correct, see this damn fight has screwed up my train of thought and spelling lol.

**Nay Sayer** · 06-14-2012, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by AD

tonight PROVED why boxing sucks!!! MMA is the REAL sport for fighting cause tonight was nothing more than making people's wallets fat with bullshit that was rigged from the start. they even said BEFORE the fight that the judges were KNOWN to be flaky and make bad calls. well, they certainly proved that tonight.

MMA is, was, and forever shall be garbage. Nobody wants to watch two grown assed men dressed in tights rolling around on the floor with each other.

**Nay Sayer** · 06-14-2012, 12:53 PM

The truth finally comes out. Pacquiao was never that good to begin with. Bradley beat him using text book BOXING. I'm just sorry that Bradley has denied me the opportunity to take the money of everyone here who was SO sure that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather. I was gonna clean house. And anyone who thinks this was a robbery clearly doesn't know anything about how to *properly* judge a professional boxing match. This was a close fight - NOT a robbery. Pacquiao was getting handled in the latter rounds when Bradley changed his tactics and started to BOX. Doubling and trippling the jab, circling to Pacquiao's right - away from the left hand, combination and counter punching. This is ALL basic boxing 101 stuff - but when executed properly, it makes Pacquiao ineffective. The FACT of the matter is, Pacquiao CAN'T BOX for shit. He looks like a god when fighting guys who come straight at him - but guys who KNOW how to BOX will ALWAYS give him problems. Go back and watch the Marquez fights and the first Eric Morales fight.

I'm telling you, Pacquiao will *never* beat Bradley and Pacquiao's handlers KNOW this. I can guarantee there will be NO immediate rematch...

**DJ Timmy Richardson** · 06-14-2012, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by Nay Sayer

The truth finally comes out. Pacquiao was never that good to begin with. Bradley beat him using text book BOXING. I'm just sorry that Bradley has denied me the opportunity to take the money of everyone here who was SO sure that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather. I was gonna clean house. And anyone who thinks this was a robbery clearly doesn't know anything about how to *properly* judge a professional boxing match. This was a close fight - NOT a robbery. Pacquiao was getting handled in the latter rounds when Bradley changed his tactics and started to BOX. Doubling and trippling the jab, circling to Pacquiao's right - away from the left hand, combination and counter punching. This is ALL basic boxing 101 stuff - but when executed properly, it makes Pacquiao ineffective. The FACT of the matter is, Pacquiao CAN'T BOX for shit. He looks like a god when fighting guys who come straight at him - but guys who KNOW how to BOX will ALWAYS give him problems. Go back and watch the Marquez fights and the first Eric Morales fight.

I'm telling you, Pacquiao will *never* beat Bradley and Pacquiao's handlers KNOW this. I can guarantee there will be NO immediate rematch...

Dude. You know I'm a PBF fan. But there is no way in hell Bradley won the fight. He didn't hurt Manny once. And outside of an occasional jab he never landed a clean shot. Are you saying the punch stats were a misrepresentation of the fight? Even Floyd's camp said Manny was robbed.

**Jay Rags** · 06-14-2012, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Nay Sayer

....Pacquiao was never that good to begin with.....

wha...wha....what!(lol)

Just like Timmy, I'm a PBF fan, but come on man. Pacquiao beat up a whole bunch of good fighters.

**DaBownca** · 06-14-2012, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Nay Sayer

The truth finally comes out. Pacquiao was never that good to begin with. Bradley beat him using text book BOXING. I'm just sorry that Bradley has denied me the opportunity to take the money of everyone here who was SO sure that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather. I was gonna clean house. And anyone who thinks this was a robbery clearly doesn't know anything about how to *properly* judge a professional boxing match. This was a close fight - NOT a robbery. Pacquiao was getting handled in the latter rounds when Bradley changed his tactics and started to BOX. Doubling and trippling the jab, circling to Pacquiao's right - away from the left hand, combination and counter punching. This is ALL basic boxing 101 stuff - but when executed properly, it makes Pacquiao ineffective. The FACT of the matter is, Pacquiao CAN'T BOX for shit. He looks like a god when fighting guys who come straight at him - but guys who KNOW how to BOX will ALWAYS give him problems. Go back and watch the Marquez fights and the first Eric Morales fight.

I'm telling you, Pacquiao will *never* beat Bradley and Pacquiao's handlers KNOW this. I can guarantee there will be NO immediate rematch...

Stop
fuggin
DRANKIN

**DeesKo** · 06-14-2012, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Nay Sayer

The truth finally comes out. Pacquiao was never that good to begin with. Bradley beat him using text book BOXING. I'm just sorry that Bradley has denied me the opportunity to take the money of everyone here who was SO sure that Pacquiao would beat Mayweather. I was gonna clean house. And anyone who thinks this was a robbery clearly doesn't know anything about how to *properly* judge a professional boxing match. This was a close fight - NOT a robbery. Pacquiao was getting handled in the latter rounds when Bradley changed his tactics and started to BOX. Doubling and trippling the jab, circling to Pacquiao's right - away from the left hand, combination and counter punching. This is ALL basic boxing 101 stuff - but when executed properly, it makes Pacquiao ineffective. The FACT of the matter is, Pacquiao CAN'T BOX for shit. He looks like a god when fighting guys who come straight at him - but guys who KNOW how to BOX will ALWAYS give him problems. Go back and watch the Marquez fights and the first Eric Morales fight.

I'm telling you, Pacquiao will *never* beat Bradley and Pacquiao's handlers KNOW this. I can guarantee there will be NO immediate rematch...

Per Combubox stats, the numbers do not support your theory that a change up in strategy or fighting style by Bradley had any discernable impact on Pacquiao's ability to throw or land punches, nor do the numbers support the theory that Bradley made any discernable change in the number or style of punches he was throwing/landing.

Pacquiao punching by minute:

http://compuboxonline.com/pacquaios-...ute-by-minute/

Most of your previous blind rantings about Pacquiao have been purely opinion based, but in this case, your theory is not supported by the facts, which are in nice pretty colors and easily reviewed.

You are effectively arguing that Bradley outboxed Manny Pacquiao because he didn't get KO'd.

Welcome back.

**Nay Sayer** · 06-14-2012, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by DJ Timmy Richardson

Dude. You know I'm a PBF fan. But there is no way in hell Bradley won the fight. He didn't hurt Manny once. And outside of an occasional jab he never landed a clean shot. Are you saying the punch stats were a misrepresentation of the fight? Even Floyd's camp said Manny was robbed.

The punchstats were WAY off. Way off.

Go back and watch the 9th round. Bradley gives Pacquiao a boxing lesson in that round - almost making him look like an amature. The 9th round represents the general theme of the second half of the fight. Pacquiao is coming forward throwing punches but mostly hitting nothing but AIR. Bradley is sticking, moving, circling, defending, using angles, leading, countering and combination punching. Basic boxing.

As far as Floyd's camp is concerned - of course they're going to say Pacquiao was robbed. It's in their best interest to propagate that nonsense seeing as they still want to fight Pacquiao. Towing the "Manny wuz robbed" line helps keep the Floyd Manny fight marketable. Trust me when I say nobody wants to see Mayweather Bradley and nobody wants to see Pacquiao Bradley II. Neither one of those fights makes as much money as Mayweather Pacquaio - even after the loss Manny was just handed. As long as people are out there who believe Pacquiao got Brinks Jobbed - an idea which the media loves to parrot - then Mayweather Pacquaio is still a HUGE fight.

No way in hell does Pacquiao fight Bradley in an immediate rematch. Not when they can still make a ton of money on the Mayweather fight.

**DeesKo** · 06-14-2012, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Nay Sayer

The punchstats were WAY off. Way off.

Pacquiao hacked the compubox system and inserted a virus to only count every 4th Bradley punch to make it look like he won.

**Nay Sayer** · 06-14-2012, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jay Rags

wha...wha....what!(lol)

Just like Timmy, I'm a PBF fan, but come on man. Pacquiao beat up a whole bunch of good fighters.

Pacquiao beat a bunch of good fighters who were compromised in some way.

**Nay Sayer** · 06-14-2012, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by DeesKo

Per Combubox stats, the numbers do not support your theory that a change up in strategy or fighting style by Bradley had any discernable impact on Pacquiao's ability to throw or land punches, nor do the numbers support the theory that Bradley made any discernable change in the number or style of punches he was throwing/landing.

Pacquiao punching by minute:

Most of your previous blind rantings about Pacquiao have been purely opinion based, but in this case, your theory is not supported by the facts, which are in nice pretty colors and easily reviewed.

You are effectively arguing that Bradley outboxed Manny Pacquiao because he didn't get KO'd.

Welcome back.

Thank you, glad to be back.

Do you even know how Compubox works? Let me clue you in; there is *nothing* factual about Compubox statistics. N O T H I N G. Compubox numbers are mere approximations - subject to whatever idiots they have sitting there charged with "tracking" punches thrown and landed. NOBODY in the boxing industry takes Compubox statistics seriously.