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    Is Keith Hernandez Hall of fame Worthy?

    I was reading this article on yahoo.sports in regards to Keith Hernandez and i was thinking, Should Keith Hernandez be elected into the hall of fame, I feel he should on the first ballot/LOL, Also, The Mets would have never taken the 1986 World Series without Keith Hernandez(Who did not want to play for the Mets

    When Keith Hernandez was traded to the Mets in 1983, Davy Johnson talked Keith Hernandez into playing for the Mets in 1983, Because Keith Hernandez was ready to retire than play for the Mets in 1983/LOL, Keith Hernandez felt that the Mets we're wack and Keith Hernandez did not want to finish his career playing with a wack crew in 1983.

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    Keith Hernandez was a wonderful player, but he doesn't quite have the stats to be considered a Hall of Famer.
    But if he was, I'm wondering if he would enter the establishment wearing a St. Louis Cardinals hat or a New York Mets cap.

    For most of baseball's elite, and even those who spend portions of their careers with various squads, there is usually one team where a player spends a significant amount of time above all others.


    For Hernandez, his playing career with the St. Louis Cardinals and New York Mets is evenly split right down the middle, making it tough to judge which team he would enter the hall with.


    Of course, players don't get to choose, as the decision of which team a player enters the hall with is determined by the Hall of Fame itself.



    Hernandez won one World Series title with the Cardinals, and also won one with the Mets. While he played ten seasons in St. Louis, and only seven in New York, he had four dominating seasons with each club.



    Of his ten years in St. Louis, his 91 RBI season in 1977, and back-to-back All-Star-quality campaigns in 1979 and 1980, were his best besides a 1982 season that included 94 runs batted in.

    Hernandez had three All-Star years during his seven year stint with the New York Mets, as he tallied over 170 hits each year between 1984 and 1987.


    Overall, Hernandez had close to 300 more hits as a St. Louis Cardinals than he did as a Met. He also tallied 207 more runs and over 100 more RBIs as a member of the Cardinals.

    On the other hand, he played in close to 300 more games with the Cardinals, so single-season averages may be a more telling statistic.

    Defensively, it's a wash, as he won multiple Gold Glove Awards for both teams due to his stellar work at first base.


    Hernandez has been a member of the New York Mets Hall of Fame since 1997, and many New York baseball fans consider him a "lifetime" Met because he's also been a broadcaster in the Big Apple since 2006.


    If Keith Hernandez entered the Hall of Fame, would he go wearing a St. Louis Cardinals cap or a New York Mets one?


    Keith Hernandez's career statistics:



    Batting average

    .296



    Home runs

    162



    Runs batted in

    1,071



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    St. Louis Cardinals (1974–1983)
    New York Mets (1983–1989)
    Cleveland Indians (1990)



    Career highlights and awards



    5× All-Star (1979, 1980, 1984, 1986, 1987)
    NL batting champion (1979)
    National League Most Valuable Player (1979)
    11 consecutive Gold Glove Awards (1978–1988)
    2× Silver Slugger Award winner (1980, 1984)
    2× National League Player of the Month (August 1979 & July 1985)
    2× World Series champion (1982, 1986)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barnes View Post
    11 consecutive Gold Glove Awards (1978–1988)
    This alone answers the question!
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    No.

    Good player, but not HOF worthy. On a par with Steve Garvey, Will Clark and Mark Grace, all non-HOF'ers.....JMJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMJ View Post
    No.

    Good player, but not HOF worthy. On a par with Steve Garvey and Mark Grace, both non-HOF'ers.....JMJ
    Bill Mazeroski has 8 GG's at 2nd, and is in. Took a minute, but he's in!

    ...and Maz's hitting sucked!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMJ View Post
    No.

    Good player, but not HOF worthy. On a par with Steve Garvey, Will Clark and Mark Grace, all non-HOF'ers.....JMJ
    Good comparison with Garvey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Bill Mazeroski has 8 GG's at 2nd, and is in. Took a minute, but he's in!

    ...and Maz's hitting sucked!
    And he shouldn't be. That was a gift....JMJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMJ View Post
    And he shouldn't be. That was a gift....JMJ
    ....and Ozzie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    ....and Ozzie?
    Along with Cal Ripken and Luis Aparicio, best shortstops of their eras.

    Too many other first basemen had similar or better stats than Hernandez during the time he played - that's why he didn't get in. You're measured against your peers, and while Hernandez was a solid player, he wasn't spectacular. The Hall does make mistakes, but I don't think this is one of them.

    Neither is Bernie Williams.

    Ozzie Smith was a 15 time All-Star that also stole 580 bases and had 13 Golden Gloves - how do you keep him out?....JMJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMJ View Post
    Along with Cal Ripken and Luis Aparicio, best shortstops of their eras.

    Too many other first basemen had similar or better stats than Hernandez during the time he played - that's why he didn't get in. You're measured against your peers, and while Hernandez was a solid player, he wasn't spectacular. The Hall does make mistakes, but I don't think this is one of them.

    Neither is Bernie Williams.....JMJ
    Great defense and postseason is enough for me. Keith has 11 GG's in a row.

    Bernie's postseason: 22 HR, 80 RBI, 51 extra base hits!
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    Mattingly gets in before Hernandez. And Don is not going to make it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bkny11203 View Post
    Mattingly gets in before Hernandez. And Don is not going to make it.

    Wer'ds......JMJ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Great defense and postseason is enough for me. Keith has 11 GG's in a row.

    Bernie's postseason: 22 HR, 80 RBI, 51 extra base hits!
    Fred McGriff will be lucky to make it and had way better career numbers than Hernandez.....JMJ
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    I'm all for Mattingly and Crime Dog gettin' in!
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    Mustache hall of fame? Sure. First ballot.
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    Wait a minute, how did Steve Garvey not get voted in?
    Oh, I know very well how I got my name

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daniel, Grand Duke of Stony Island View Post
    Mustache hall of fame? Sure. First ballot.
    Hall of Fame
    1996 BBWAA ( 5.1%)
    1997 BBWAA ( 9.5%)
    1998 BBWAA (10.8%)
    1999 BBWAA ( 6.8%)
    2000 BBWAA (10.4%)
    2001 BBWAA ( 8.0%)
    2002 BBWAA ( 6.1%)
    2003 BBWAA ( 6.0%)
    2004 BBWAA ( 4.3%)

    He's close.....JMJ
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    JMJ, I don't follow baseball like i used to during the 60's,70's,80's, JMJ, Can you build on the some of the first baseman who we're elected into the hall of fame during the last 25 years, My man, Also, I wonder if a cat like Willie McCovey(Hall of fame first baseman for the San francisco Giants during the 1960's,70's, Etc,

    Would have been elected into the hall of fame with today's standards and baseball writers who select cats into the hall of fame, Because it's a travesty for cats like Steve Garvey, Boog Powell(Baltimore Orioles), Fred McGriff, Keith Hernandez, Will Clark, Don Mattingly,Etc, Not to be make the hall of fame as of yet Though, The biggest travesty of former all-star baseball players from not being elected into the hall of fame is Curt Flood and Richie Allen, My man.

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    Hall of Famer Primary team Position Induction year
    Taylor, Ben Indianapolis ABCs 1st Baseman 2006
    Terry, Bill New York Giants 1st Baseman 1954
    Suttles, Mule Newark Eagles 1st Baseman 2006
    Sisler, George St. Louis Browns 1st Baseman 1939
    Perez, Tony Cincinnati Reds 1st Baseman 2000
    McCovey, Willie San Francisco Giants 1st Baseman 1986
    Musial, Stan St. Louis Cardinals 1st Baseman 1969
    Mize, Johnny St. Louis Cardinals 1st Baseman 1981
    Murray, Eddie Baltimore Orioles 1st Baseman 2003
    Leonard, Buck Homestead Grays 1st Baseman 1972
    Killebrew, Harmon Minnesota Twins 1st Baseman 1984
    Kelly, George New York Giants 1st Baseman 1973
    Gehrig, Lou New York Yankees 1st Baseman 1939
    Greenberg, Hank Detroit Tigers 1st Baseman 1956
    Foxx, Jimmie Philadelphia Athletics 1st Baseman 1951
    Connor, Roger New York Gothams (Giants) 1st Baseman 1976
    Carew, Rod Minnesota Twins 1st Baseman 1991
    Cepeda, Orlando San Francisco Giants 1st Baseman 1999
    Charleston, Oscar Pittsburgh Crawfords 1st Baseman 1976
    Chance, Frank Chicago Cubs 1st Baseman 1946
    Bottomley, Jim St. Louis Cardinals 1st Baseman 1974
    Beckley, Jake Pittsburgh Pirates 1st Baseman 1971
    Banks, Ernie Chicago Cubs 1st Baseman 1977
    Brouthers, Dan Buffalo Bisons 1st Baseman 1945
    Anson, Cap Chicago White Stockings 1st Baseman 1939
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barnes View Post
    JMJ, I don't follow baseball like i used to during the 60's,70's,80's, JMJ, Can you build on the some of the first baseman who we're elected into the hall of fame during the last 25 years, My man, Also, I wonder if a cat like Willie McCovey(Hall of fame first baseman for the San francisco Giants during the 1960's,70's, Etc,

    Would have been elected into the hall of fame with today's standards and baseball writers who select cats into the hall of fame, Because it's a travesty for cats like Steve Garvey, Boog Powell(Baltimore Orioles), Fred McGriff, Keith Hernandez, Will Clark, Don Mattingly,Etc, Not to be make the hall of fame as of yet Though, The biggest travesty of former all-star baseball players from not being elected into the hall of fame is Curt Flood and Richie Allen, My man.

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    Hey Mike - 1st base might be one of the toughest positions for induction.

    Taylor, Ben Indianapolis ABCs 1st Baseman 2006
    Terry, Bill New York Giants 1st Baseman 1954
    Suttles, Mule Newark Eagles 1st Baseman 2006
    Sisler, George St. Louis Browns 1st Baseman 1939
    Perez, Tony Cincinnati Reds 1st Baseman 2000
    McCovey, Willie San Francisco Giants 1st Baseman 1986
    Musial, Stan St. Louis Cardinals 1st Baseman 1969
    Mize, Johnny St. Louis Cardinals 1st Baseman 1981
    Murray, Eddie Baltimore Orioles 1st Baseman 2003
    Leonard, Buck Homestead Grays 1st Baseman 1972
    Killebrew, Harmon Minnesota Twins 1st Baseman 1984
    Kelly, George New York Giants 1st Baseman 1973
    Gehrig, Lou New York Yankees 1st Baseman 1939
    Greenberg, Hank Detroit Tigers 1st Baseman 1956
    Foxx, Jimmie Philadelphia Athletics 1st Baseman 1951
    Connor, Roger New York Gothams (Giants) 1st Baseman 1976
    Carew, Rod Minnesota Twins 1st Baseman 1991
    Cepeda, Orlando San Francisco Giants 1st Baseman 1999
    Charleston, Oscar Pittsburgh Crawfords 1st Baseman 1976
    Chance, Frank Chicago Cubs 1st Baseman 1946
    Bottomley, Jim St. Louis Cardinals 1st Baseman 1974
    Beckley, Jake Pittsburgh Pirates 1st Baseman 1971
    Banks, Ernie Chicago Cubs 1st Baseman 1977
    Brouthers, Dan Buffalo Bisons 1st Baseman 1945
    Anson, Cap Chicago White Stockings 1st Baseman 1939

    This is ALL of the first baseman in the Hall. For guys like Garvey, Mattingly, Clark, and Hernandez, the veteran's committee is their only hope, and as we saw in Ron Santo's case, it's rare when they actually vote somebody in (it takes 75% of the ballots to get in that way). McGriff still has a shot on the regular ballot......JMJ
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    Eddie Murray was by far the best of that era at first base and nobody else came close, which is why he's the only one that made it......JMJ
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    bkny11203, Good lookin in regards to the hall of fame list for 1st baseman, My man, JMJ, It most definitely looks like to be hall of fame worthy for a first baseman Will be very hard to get voted in, My man(That list looks mad exclusive, My man/LOL), JMJ, Gil Hodges(Legendary firstman for the Brooklyn Dodgers during the 1940's,50's and former Manager of the Mets during the 1960's to early 70's, Did not make the hall of fame either with statstics like these below, My man/LOL.

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    Gil Hodges Brooklyn Dodgers(1940's,50's)
    8× All-Star selection (1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1957)
    3× World Series champion (1955, 1959, 1969)
    3× Gold Glove Award winner (1957, 1958, 1959)
    1959 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award
    Hit 4 home runs in one game on August 31, 1950
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barnes View Post
    bkny11203, Good lookin in regards to the hall of fame list for 1st baseman, My man, JMJ, It most definitely looks like to be hall of fame worthy for a first baseman Will be very hard to get voted in, My man(That list looks mad exclusive, My man/LOL), JMJ, Gil Hodges(Legendary firstman for the Brooklyn Dodgers during the 1940's,50's and former Manager of the Mets during the 1960's to early 70's, Did not make the hall of fame either with statstics like these below, My man/LOL.

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    Gil Hodges Brooklyn Dodgers(1940's,50's)
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    New York Mets #14 retired
    I think the veteran's committee made a mistake by not voting Hodges in. His last year on the regular ballot (he was eligible for 15 years) he got 63%, so it would make sense that he should've gotten voted in by the veteran's committee, but they do make mistakes......JMJ
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    I'm glad basketball HOF voters recognize defense and postseason! (Rodman)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    I'm glad basketball HOF voters recognize defense and postseason! (Rodman)

    The basketball HOF sucks - there should be a separate NBA/ABA HOF and a separate college HOF. Glad Rodman got in though.....JMJ
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    Hernandez should be considered based on his Seinfeld appearances.

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