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    Why Are There Gay Men? Scientists surprising new explanation

    if true, this provides an evolutionary explanation for why gay men exist. fascinating stuff, IMO.

    Why Are There Gay Men? Because Women Who Inherit 'Gay Genes' Have More Kids, Scientists Say
    By: Natalie Wolchover
    Published: 06/12/2012 12:59 PM EDT

    While female sexuality appears to be more fluid, research suggests that male gayness is an inborn, unalterable, strongly genetically influenced trait. But considering that the trait discourages the type of sex that leads to procreation — that is, sex with women — and would therefore seem to thwart its own chances of being genetically passed on to the next generation, why are there gay men at all?

    Put differently, why haven't gay man genes driven themselves extinct?

    This longstanding question is finally being answered by new and ongoing research. For several years, studies led by Andrea Camperio Ciani at the University of Padova in Italy and others have found that mothers and maternal aunts of gay men tend to have significantly more offspring than the maternal relatives of straight men. The results show strong support for the "balancing selection hypothesis," which is fast becoming the accepted theory of the genetic basis of male homosexuality.

    The theory holds that the same genetic factors that induce gayness in males also promote fecundity (high reproductive success) in those males' female maternal relatives.
    Through this trade-off, the maternal relatives' "gay man genes," though they aren't expressed as such, tend to get passed to future generations in spite of their tendency to make their male inheritors gay.

    While no one knows which genes, exactly, these might be, at least one of them appears to be located on the X chromosome, according to genetic modeling by Camperio Ciani and his colleagues. Males inherit only one X chromosome — the one from their mother — and if it includes the gene that promotes gayness in males and fecundity in females, he is likely to be gay while his mom and her female relatives are likely to have lots of kids. If a daughter inherits that same X-linked gene, she herself may not be gay, but she can pass it on to her sons.

    But how might the "gay man gene" make females more reproductively successful? A new study by Camperio Ciani and his team addresses the question for the first time. Previously, the Italian researchers suggested that the "gay man gene" might simply increase androphilia, or attraction to men, thereby making the males who possess the gene homosexual and the females who possess it more promiscuous. But after investigating the characteristics of 161 female maternal relatives of homosexual and heterosexual men, the researchers have adjusted their hypothesis. Rather than making women more attracted to men, the "gay man gene" appears to make these women more attractive to men.

    "High fecundity, that means having more babies, is not about pleasure in sex, nor is it about promiscuity. The androphilic pattern that we found is about females who increase their reproductive value to attract the best males," Camperio Ciani told Life's Little Mysteries.

    Turns out, the moms and aunts of gay men have an advantage over the moms and aunts of straight men for several reasons: They are more fertile, displaying fewer gynecological disorders or complications during pregnancy; they are more extroverted, as well as funnier, happier and more relaxed; and they have fewer family problems and social anxieties. "In other words, compared to the others, [they are] perfect for a male," Camperio Ciani said. Attracting and choosing from the best males enables these women to produce more offspring, he noted.

    The new study will appear in an upcoming issue of the Journal of Sexual Medicine.

    Of course, no single factor can account for the varied array of sexual orientations that exist, in men as well as in women. "It is quite possible that there are several influences on forming a homosexual orientation," said Gerulf Rieger, a sexual orientation researcher at Cornell University. He noted that environmental factors — including the level of exposure to certain hormones in the womb — also play a role in molding male sexuality. But as for why genetic factors would exist that make men gay, it appears that these genes make women, as well as gay men, alluring to other men.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1590501.html

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    Well then. This explains everything.
    You'll have to excuse me. I'm the product of a broken disco.

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    this is fascinating!

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    interesting read but it doesnt explain why there are gay penguins, swans etc
    the animal kingdom has its same sex relationships as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Mayimbe View Post
    interesting read but it doesnt explain why there are gay penguins, swans etc
    the animal kingdom has its same sex relationships as well
    you know for fact that gay gene carrying penguinesses aren't more productive?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armento View Post
    you know for fact that gay gene carrying penguinesses aren't more productive?



    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...evolution.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by El Mayimbe View Post
    interesting read but it doesnt explain why there are gay penguins, swans etc
    the animal kingdom has its same sex relationships as well
    The animal worl is more open-minded and we learned a lot from them.

    Actually it is even well referenced that pre-humans were fucking in the ass for a very long time and one day their last survivors looked at chimps and bonobos and one declared: "Hey guys, I think we may be more curious with the other ass..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by the crackhouse View Post
    "Hey guys, I think we may be more curious with the other ass..."
    this would be a good facebook status

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    "They identified rams who show an interest in mounting other rams, electro-ejaculated them to collect sperm, and used the sperm to impregnate ewes"

    sorry, could not get past the term "electro-ejaculated" that just sounds like its either a lot of fun or way too painful (or both) to have any scientific relevance

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    Quote Originally Posted by D J 1 3 8 View Post

    suggests

    no one knows which genes, exactly

    might

    Of course, no single factor can account for the varied array of sexual orientations that exist, in men as well as in women. "It is quite possible that there are several influences on forming a homosexual orientation,"
    I certainly would steer clear of simply nature OR nurture, and would agree with the last part.

    Simply saying Nature ?, a very rocky road I doubt many here could debate.

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