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    Why there will never be another Public Enemy:What really happened to Real Hiphop

    Minister Paul Scott has another very enlightening article on, 'Why there will never be another Public Enemy:What really happened to Real hiphop', Two things standout to me in this article, The first thing is Paul Scott's comments,' “Many People make murda music,” few are willing to make “martyr music', And,

    And, 'ASAP Rocky's comments, 'Everybody plays the tough guy till some stuff pops off', Which is very true when it comes to rhyming for the community opposed to rhyming for money/LOL, How many cats are willing to risk taking two in the head to uplift and inspire they're race and community(Public Enemy did so during the late 80's to late 90's).

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    Any artist can battle for glory/ but to kick a dope rhyme to wake up/ your people’s another story…” – “Rappers RN Dainja” -KRS One

    Once upon a time, he was known as “Militant Mike,” leader of the Mau Mau, the most feared rap crew of the ’80s. Now, he’s simply known as Mr. Jackson, the grumpy old dude who bags groceries at T-Mart. Catch him on a good day, and he might take a break from sweepin’ the floor and drop some science about the good ol’ days of Hip-Hop, and how his music was gonna change the world. But if you ever ask him the obvious question – what happened to those good ol’ days? – all you’ll get is a cold stare followed by awkward silence….

    The history books are full of stories about the Civil Rights/Black Power Eras, and how thousands of young people took to the streets to fight for their rights. However, as for the “Conscious Hip-Hop Era,” the story ain’t never been told.

    Why?

    Like the song says, “What’s too painful to remember, we simply choose to forget.”

    For many of us the “Conscious Hip-Hop Era” (1988-92) was our Civil Rights movement. But although it is often thrown in with the so-called “Golden Age of Hip-Hop”, as they say, “all that glitters ain’t gold.”

    Let’s be clear. When I use the term “real Hip-Hop,” I’m not talking about a rapper saying some witty, juvenile punchlines to make you giggle. I’m talking about (to borrow from Eric B and Rakim) songs that will actually “move the crowd” to do something.

    Like all forms of history, Hip-Hop is subject to revisionism. People would like to believe that, for a period in American history, there was a time when everybody was fightin’ the power and wearing Red, Black, and Green African medallions. This isn’t true of the Black Power Movement Era, and it’s definitely not a true reflection of the Conscious Hip-Hop Era.

    Although it is true that many people in the ‘hood were suffering from the effects of ’80s “Reaganomics,” just like today, everybody wasn’t sufferin’, nor did everyone identify with “the struggle.” Some people were living good in the ‘80s and swore that “we had already overcome.”

    Although some of us gravitated towards Spike Lee films and X Clan cassettes, there were others who were just as comfortable watching Molly Ringwald movies while listening to the non- political Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince.

    The Conscious Hip-Hop Era came about at the exact time when Black outrage was not only a necessary evil but also profitable. And groups like Public Enemy were able to slip through the small crack in the impenetrable fortress of Capitalism.

    Capitalism is not without its flaws, and militant rap groups like Public Enemy were able to capitalize off of the major chink in its armor – greed. It has been said that Capitalism will sell you the rope to hang yourself.

    But the major strength Capitalism is its ability to adapt and to absorb opposition. So, a radical movement for change was transformed into a cheap fad.

    Freedom does not come without a price. It never has and never will. But for a brief moment, rap was the soundtrack of a revolution that the networks would not televise.

    But for the artists who dared to speak truth to power, there was a price to be paid.

    For those who argue that rap is “only music,” tell that to the soldiers who survived the rap wars.
    Just read the books of rap artists from that period, like Professor Griff’ s Analytixz or Ice T’s autobiographical Ice, as they reveal some very interesting war stories that many people would like to forget.

    Although Ice T has been quoted as saying that he is waiting for the next PE, I’m not sure that Ice T would even want to be “the next Ice T” if you study all of the drama that surrounded his song “Cop Killer”, which was eventually removed from store shelves. Like he wrote in his book, “You don’t know what heat is until you’ve had the President of the United States say your name in anger.”

    See, everybody isn’t built for that kind of stuff. There is a reason that one of the most powerful voices ever in Hip-Hop, Sister Souljah, went from rappin’ about “360 Degrees of Power” to writing romance novels. Like she said in her book, No Disrespect, “the question is easy to ask. The answer is hard to find. But the search is essential.”

    Ask anybody who has done more than send out an angry tweet in all caps, and he will tell you “these cats ain’t playin’”, and the oppressors ain’t gonna let the oppressed go without a fight.

    In Russell Myrie’s book, Don’t Rhyme for the Sake of Riddlin’, he wrote that once during the Conscious Hip-Hop Era, “Someone was trying to get a number of rappers in one location so they could detonate explosives and do away with trouble-some Hip Hoppers…”

    Most people like the “idea” of revolution, but facing the consequences of revolutionary actions are beyond their scope of comprehension.

    Truth is, although many people make “murda music,” few are willing to make “martyr music.”

    Today , besides the Jasiri Xs and Immortal Techniques, many of this new generation of rappers want consciousness without the confrontation.

    Times have gotten so tough that even activists have been forced to pick up the mic to bring back “real Hip-Hop.” In fact, Chicago activist, Chairman Fred Hampton Jr., recently did a revolutionary remix of Chief Keef’s “I Don’t Like”:

    Just like it was during the Civil Rights era, it’s much easier to turn on (get high) and tune out. Why risk your life trying to change the world, when “a 40 and a blunt” will make the world go away for a few hours?

    It’s one thing to get into a beef with another rapper, but it is another thing to go against Bill O’Reilly and get tagged “an unpatriotic pin head.” That kinda stuff doesn’t add up to increased CD sales anymore.

    Despite all the revolutionary rhetoric, the real reason that there will never be another Public Enemy is because nobody wants to go through the hell that they went through.

    Like ASAP Rocky would say, “everybody plays the tough guy till some stuff pops off…”

    TRUTH Minista Paul Scott’s weekly column is “This Ain’t Hip Hop,” a column for intelligent Hip-Hop headz.

    He can be reached at info@nowarningshotsfired.com, on his website, www.NoWarningShotsFired.com, or on Twitter (@truthminista).

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    Chuck, Is Flav scheduled to be onstage with Public Enemy tonight in Wingate park, My man(Flav has been having some trouble with the law in regards to un-payed Child payments, My man, Also, Chuck, Is Spinderalla scheduled to to be onstage with Salt and Pepa too, My man(Chuck, The Original Spinderalla from the Bronx

    Was nice on the turntables too, During the early 80's before Spinderalla stepped from Salt and Pepa due to the commercial image that Hurby was setting for Salt and Pepa in 1985(As, 'Super Nature', Who made the plate, 'The Showstopper', In 1985, Which came hard at Doug Fresh and Slick Rick for making, 'The Show', In 1985), My man.

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    'Showstopper', By Super Nature(Salt and Pepa/1985)
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    More Public Enemy WITHOUT Flava Flav!!

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    Mr. Barnes I recently posted a docu about hip hop NY '86 .
    (Dutch subtitles but spoken English)
    Did you check it? U may find it nostalgicly interesting?
    Anyway...
    Below a trip down your memory lane?
    http://deephousepage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247428
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barnes View Post
    Chuck, Is Flav scheduled to be onstage with Public Enemy tonight in Wingate park, My man(Flav has been having some trouble with the law in regards to un-payed Child payments, My man, Also, Chuck, Is Spinderalla scheduled to to be onstage with Salt and Pepa too, My man(Chuck, The Original Spinderalla from the Bronx

    Was nice on the turntables too, During the early 80's before Spinderalla stepped from Salt and Pepa due to the commercial image that Hurby was setting for Salt and Pepa in 1985(As, 'Super Nature', Who made the plate, 'The Showstopper', In 1985, Which came hard at Doug Fresh and Slick Rick for making, 'The Show', In 1985), My man.

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    'Showstopper', By Super Nature(Salt and Pepa/1985)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8wNY-wUXmI
    Not sure Mike I would bet on bith being present though

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    djfunq, I seen that documentary before and if i remember correctly, I was building on the documentary too(Though, I cannot remember what year i seen the documentary right about now, My man(Senior citizen moment right about now, My man/LOL), Chuck, Who are you referring to as, 'bith', My man(Chuck, Is that Brooklyn slang or Brooklyn Acronnyms, My man/LOL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by chldfknungrnd764 View Post
    More Public Enemy WITHOUT Flava Flav!!
    Flava was and still is the thing that makes PE live shows worth attending

    Can't have Morris Day w/o Jerome

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    PE without Flav is simply just the Chuck D show.

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    138, Alexander O'Neill didn't need Jerome for a pick(Help/LOL), Like Moris Day does, When Alexander O'Neill was down with the time during the late 70's(That's why Prince cancelled Alexander O'Neill out of the crew/Time, Because of the, 'Time', Needing a novelty acting cat to sing lead for a very commercial audience, Which Alexander O'Neill was most definitely not in regards to novelty act, My man/LOL), 138, Do you feel Flav could hold his own without Chuck, My man/LOL.

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    Flav had his own album and it sucked. He also had 911 is a Joke which was a jam...but he was just meant to part of the team that was Public Enemy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bkny11203 View Post
    Flav had his own album and it sucked. He also had 911 is a Joke which was a jam...but he was just meant to part of the team that was Public Enemy.


    This is my favorite Flav jam. Still play it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by D J 1 3 8 View Post
    Flava was and still is the thing that makes PE live shows worth attending

    Can't have Morris Day w/o Jerome
    I used to think the same thing until I saw PE at Bonnaroo a few years ago. Chuck D. is one of hip-hop's greatest voices and him rocking with a live band was sick. I always felt Flava Flav was the humorous element to PE to make their message easier to swallow. Flava Flav was very entertaining onstage and even played drums at the end of the show (he's actually a pretty funky drummer), but I definitely would have enjoyed the show without him.
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    Yo, they rocked it hard, tonite!
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    Quote Originally Posted by djmarbll View Post
    I used to think the same thing until I saw PE at Bonnaroo a few years ago. Chuck D. is one of hip-hop's greatest voices and him rocking with a live band was sick. I always felt Flava Flav was the humorous element to PE to make their message easier to swallow. Flava Flav was very entertaining onstage and even played drums at the end of the show (he's actually a pretty funky drummer), but I definitely would have enjoyed the show without him.
    Believe this....Flav took a bass solo! Not exactly Larry Graham and Marcus Miller, but......!
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    Sal Paradise, The plate, 'I can't do nothing for you man', Was in the soundtrack for the movie, 'House Party', In 1990(The scene where Kid and Play we're about to battle on the mic, My man/LOL), Fletch, I heard Flav can play over 10 instruments(Flav's moms was a music teacher, If i remember correctly, My man), Marbil, I can most definitely see Public Enemy without Flav being down, My man/LOL, Infact, Even if Griff and the S1's we're not down, I would go to hear Chuck(Just for the

    Message and passion that Chuck has to uplift and inspire cats to greater heights in life, My man), Marbil, When it comes to hiphop, I've never been an entertainment type of cat(Two turntables and and a mic/mics is just find with me, My man/LOL), Marbil, I've seen Rakim more than a few times during the 80's and early 90's and Rakim would just rhyme onstage with Eric B on the turntables(Which was good enough for me, When it comes to the God blessing the mic, My man/LOL), Though,

    Rakim used to get critiqued because of the God's lack of stage presence, Yet, Run-DMC did not have any stage presence either while they we're performing during the early to mid 80's too(Yet cats did not come hard at Run and D for they're lack of stage presence, Like cats used to come hard at the God, My man).

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    Thumbs up Salt & Pepa, Public Enemy Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Believe this....Flav took a bass solo! Not exactly Larry Graham and Marcus Miller, but......!
    Flav's Bass Solo was interesting indeed and ditto to the not so Larry Graham, Marcus Miller comment!
    His Drum Solo was great as an interlude for that moment. Salt & Pepa performance was very good for a 50 minute party set. Kid N Play guest appearance was pleasant to see! Public Enemy's performance was pure Hip Hop in every sense of the word and surely missed versus today's version of the genre. Honorable Mention, the guitar player was dope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delmar Browne View Post
    Flav's Bass Solo was interesting indeed and ditto to the not so Larry Graham, Marcus Miller comment!
    His Drum Solo was great as an interlude for that moment. Salt & Pepa performance was very good for a 50 minute party set. Kid N Play guest appearance was pleasant to see! Public Enemy's performance was pure Hip Hop in every sense of the word and surely missed versus today's version of the genre. Honorable Mention, the guitar player was dope!
    Yo, that drummer they had.......was crazy!!!!!!!!!
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    Thumbs up Flav's performance

    Quote Originally Posted by Delmar Browne View Post
    Flav's Bass Solo was interesting indeed and ditto to the not so Larry Graham, Marcus Miller comment!
    His Drum Solo was great as an interlude for that moment. Salt & Pepa performance was very good for a 50 minute party set. Kid N Play guest appearance was pleasant to see! Public Enemy's performance was pure Hip Hop in every sense of the word and surely missed versus today's version of the genre. Honorable Mention, the guitar player was dope!
    I'll follow-up by saying both Flav's Drum Solo and Public Enemy Drummer for the whole evening were dope! Flav is an accomplish musician playing many instruments. He knows his post in the group and handling dividing music and Reality TV. Shout-out to Johnny Juice doing double duty performing set for Dinco (L.O.N.S.) & percussion for Public Enemy.

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    last time I saw them Davy DMX was playing bass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barnes View Post
    Sal Paradise, The plate, 'I can't do nothing for you man', Was in the soundtrack for the movie, 'House Party', In 1990(The scene where Kid and Play we're about to battle on the mic, My man/LOL)
    I remember that Mike. The song also made an appearance years later in the film Three Kings. Soldiers in Iraq are partying to it in one scene.

    Quote Originally Posted by D J 1 3 8 View Post
    last time I saw them Davy DMX was playing bass
    One for The Treble, Two for The Bass .........

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    Sal, I remember that scene in, '3 Kings's', With Ice Cube, George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg during the early 90's, My man/LOL, 138, Davey D('Two for the Treble', Davey D from 1984, My man/LOL), Goes way back with Chuck from the early 80's(Chuck and Hank Shocklee used to come over to Davey-D's rest in Hollis,Queens in 1984 to hear Davey-D mix and play bass, My man/LOL), Infact, Not to change the subject/LOL, Davey-D was the

    First cat to mix for Run-DMC a few weeks before Jay got down in May of 1983, Because Russell Simmons wanted Run and D to have a hard image because of Jay running with criminal cats like the Hollis Crew(Legendary stickup kid crew during the 70's and 80's, Infact/LOL, The Hollis Crew had mad static with 50 Cent's(Legendary stickup kid from Walt Whitman Projects in Fort Green during the 80's), Crew(Brooklyn Zoo), Over Jay getting his ice snatched in the Latin Quarters in 1986, My man/LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Barnes View Post
    Sal Paradise, The plate, 'I can't do nothing for you man', Was in the soundtrack for the movie, 'House Party', In 1990(The scene where Kid and Play we're about to battle on the mic, My man/LOL), Fletch, I heard Flav can play over 10 instruments(Flav's moms was a music teacher, If i remember correctly, My man), Marbil, I can most definitely see Public Enemy without Flav being down, My man/LOL, Infact, Even if Griff and the S1's we're not down, I would go to hear Chuck(Just for the

    Message and passion that Chuck has to uplift and inspire cats to greater heights in life, My man), Marbil, When it comes to hiphop, I've never been an entertainment type of cat(Two turntables and and a mic/mics is just find with me, My man/LOL), Marbil, I've seen Rakim more than a few times during the 80's and early 90's and Rakim would just rhyme onstage with Eric B on the turntables(Which was good enough for me, When it comes to the God blessing the mic, My man/LOL), Though,

    Rakim used to get critiqued because of the God's lack of stage presence, Yet, Run-DMC did not have any stage presence either while they we're performing during the early to mid 80's too(Yet cats did not come hard at Run and D for they're lack of stage presence, Like cats used to come hard at the God, My man).

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    I'm gonna be honest. After watching the show last night, as great of a front man as Chuck is, I CAN'T see PE without Flav! Chuck and everyone else came out first. Chuck went hard! To be honest, nobody was expecting Flav! Chuck introduced everyone in the group, including Griff and the S1's. In the middle of Rebel Without A Pause, everybody still rockin', and out storms Flav! Crowd lost they doggone mind!

    Say what you want about crazy Flav. But as Chuck put it, last night....."Every family has at least one!"
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