question???. regarding House as "Dance" music

[Ron la Rock]

Do "house" heads/people
still consider themselves or this music part of the larger picture or frame work of DANCE MUSIC???


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a question in response to the tiesto thread

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I always thought it was dance music.

[Keith Blackstone]

Sure this music is part of the larger frame work of dance music, but the reality is that in order to get to that level it takes alot of tools... many which people either don't know how to get/use or don't have the forsight and macroscopic vision to manipulate (or the money)...

Too busy being "deep" or "underground" instead of trying to look at the big picture and take advantage of it, or make moves.

Now for those who have actually done all that, and are superstars in the Deep House scene, Louie, Kerri, etc, etc, etc... they have to overcome what the mainstream party people consider good... and that is told to them (the party people) by the magazines and various media outlets... and of course you need "white appeal"

Many many things stacked against us, but no reason why success cannot be attained if the right approach/strategy is taken.

Said more then enough as it is... back to my corner [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ November 04, 2003, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: Keith Blackstone ]

[djyoavb]

the fact that u can dance to it is a PLUS not a MINUS... in some african dialects the words music and dance r the same word... something for your mind, your BODY and your soul... blah blah blah... blah...

[ November 04, 2003, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: djyoavb ]

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Sure this music is part of the larger frame work of dance music, but the reality is that in order to get to that level it takes alot of tools... many which people either don't know how to get/use or don't have the forsight and macroscopic vision to manipulate (or the money)...

Too busy being "deep" or "underground" instead of trying to look at the big picture and take advantage of it, or make moves.

Now for those who have actually done all that, and are superstars in the Deep House scene, Louie, Kerri, etc, etc, etc... they have to overcome what the mainstream party people consider good... and that is told to them (the party people) by the magazines and various media outlets... and of course you need "white appeal"

Many many things stacked against us, but no reason why success cannot be attained if the right approach/strategy is taken.

Said more then enough as it is... back to my corner [img]smile.gif[/img]

I've read this 3 times and still trying to figure out what most of it has to do with the price of tea in China. You answered the question with a simple yes but digressed to the same ole argument which had nothing to do with the question. What does being part of the larger frame work have to do with "getting to that level"? What is the level?

[Keith Blackstone]

Did you read the bottom of Ron's post...

"a question in response to the tiesto thread"

My fault if I actually took the steps to connect both threads and both convos...

You gonna actually contribute to this thread, or sit here doing what you're doing... nothing helpful.

[upliftdisco365]

uh oh...

[JMJ]

POPCORN!! Get your popcorn here! Here we go......JMJ [img]biggrinangel.gif[/img]

[DJ Keith Porter]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Sure this music is part of the larger frame work of dance music, but the reality is that in order to get to that level it takes alot of tools... many which people either don't know how to get/use or don't have the forsight and macroscopic vision to manipulate (or the money)...

Too busy being "deep" or "underground" instead of trying to look at the big picture and take advantage of it, or make moves.

Now for those who have actually done all that, and are superstars in the Deep House scene, Louie, Kerri, etc, etc, etc... they have to overcome what the mainstream party people consider good... and that is told to them (the party people) by the magazines and various media outlets... and of course you need "white appeal"

Many many things stacked against us, but no reason why success cannot be attained if the right approach/strategy is taken.

Said more then enough as it is... back to my corner [img]smile.gif[/img]

Right On point!
[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Dance music will always be apart of the main frame.
The object is how to keep a the original concept down and develop a so called new concept from the existing.

I say this because as we all know none of the Euro dance concepts would existed with out dance music.
80% of all music out there now has been developed around dance music.

Take rock these days for example it don't sound like Rock in the 60's, 70's or 80's.
The beats and rythms are more structured around 4/4.
Did I say something wrong! [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img]

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by upliftdisco365:
uh oh...

Thx John and JMJ... that's not where I'm tryin to drag this thread...

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Did you read the bottom of Ron's post...

"a question in response to the tiesto thread"

My fault if I actually took the steps to connect both threads and both convos...

You gonna actually contribute to this thread, or sit here doing what you're doing... nothing helpful.

No I plan on sitting here and doing nothing "helpful". However, again in reading your original answer I have yet to find anything helpful in that. You talk about "looking at the bigger picture and taking advantage of it and making moves" yet, you didn't quantify your answer as to what people should be looking at and taking advantage of. Yet, you also admonish people in the scene with being "too busy being deep or underground". But you go on to talk about that success can be achieved if the "the right approach/strategy is taken" but again you didn't quatinfy anything.
So exactly how helpful were you?

[Keith Blackstone]

Originally posted by Leslie:
No I plan on sitting here and doing nothing "helpful". However, again in reading your original answer I have yet to find anything helpful in that. You talk about "looking at the bigger picture and taking advantage of it and making moves" yet, you didn't quantify your answer as to what people should be looking at and taking advantage of. Yet, you also admonish people in the scene with being "too busy being deep or underground". But you go on to talk about that success can be achieved if the "the right approach/strategy is taken" but again you didn't quatinfy anything.
So exactly how helpful were you?

I was completely helpful, by giving alot of hints and points of interest... do I have to spell out everything to everbody? I think not. I have my own strategies and methods, just like others do... so if somebody is really that interested, they'll take the initiative to contact me privately... If you're hungry, you seek.

Maybe Keith and I are both in the dark... why don't you educate us Leslie by answering Ron's question...

So how about we get this thread back on topic? Shocking thought...

[JMJ]

Originally posted by DJ Keith Porter:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Sure this music is part of the larger frame work of dance music, but the reality is that in order to get to that level it takes alot of tools... many which people either don't know how to get/use or don't have the forsight and macroscopic vision to manipulate (or the money)...

Too busy being "deep" or "underground" instead of trying to look at the big picture and take advantage of it, or make moves.

Now for those who have actually done all that, and are superstars in the Deep House scene, Louie, Kerri, etc, etc, etc... they have to overcome what the mainstream party people consider good... and that is told to them (the party people) by the magazines and various media outlets... and of course you need "white appeal"

Many many things stacked against us, but no reason why success cannot be attained if the right approach/strategy is taken.

Said more then enough as it is... back to my corner [img]smile.gif[/img]

Right On point!
[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Dance music will always be apart of the main frame.
The object is how to keep a the original concept down and develop a so called new concept from the existing.

I say this because as we all know none of the Euro dance concepts would existed with out dance music.
80% of all music out there now has been developed around dance music.

Take rock these days for example it don't sound like Rock in the 60's, 70's or 80's.
The beats and rythms are more structured around 4/4.
Did I say something wrong! [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Evolution.......JMJ

[Martin Red]

Tiesto winning a readers pole has nothing to do with what House is or isn't.

I think think we lose the plot when we let clueless kids determine what we call the music or what it is part of.

[DJ Keith Porter]

Originally posted by JMJ:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DJ Keith Porter:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Sure this music is part of the larger frame work of dance music, but the reality is that in order to get to that level it takes alot of tools... many which people either don't know how to get/use or don't have the forsight and macroscopic vision to manipulate (or the money)...

Too busy being "deep" or "underground" instead of trying to look at the big picture and take advantage of it, or make moves.

Now for those who have actually done all that, and are superstars in the Deep House scene, Louie, Kerri, etc, etc, etc... they have to overcome what the mainstream party people consider good... and that is told to them (the party people) by the magazines and various media outlets... and of course you need "white appeal"

Many many things stacked against us, but no reason why success cannot be attained if the right approach/strategy is taken.

Said more then enough as it is... back to my corner [img]smile.gif[/img]

Right On point!
[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Dance music will always be apart of the main frame.
The object is how to keep a the original concept down and develop a so called new concept from the existing.

I say this because as we all know none of the Euro dance concepts would existed with out dance music.
80% of all music out there now has been developed around dance music.

Take rock these days for example it don't sound like Rock in the 60's, 70's or 80's.
The beats and rythms are more structured around 4/4.
Did I say something wrong! [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]Evolution.......JMJ </font>[/QUOTE]You are the most funniest dude on this board!
[img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]
Don't eat all the pop corn! [img]graemlins/spanka.gif[/img]

[Leslie]

Porter actually answered the question, then elaborated to the point.

And Martin Red - thank you! House is part of the larger "dance picture" always has been always will be, doesn't mean it needs to mirror the ways of being of any other form of dance to be considered legit, successful, etc. It has been around and born out of Disco and has survived. Of course it will continue to evolve, but I could never not see it as never being considered part of the larger picture of dance music, any more than punk was not part of the larger picture of rock and roll.

[Keith Blackstone]

Does the comedy ever end? [img]icon_rofl.gif[/img]

[Leslie]

You'd have to be born with a sense of humor to know.

[JMJ]

Ouch......JMJ

[Keith Blackstone]

I don't need a sense of humor to know when I'm right and you're not...

[Keith Blackstone]

I don't need a sense of humor to know when I'm right and you're not... anyway I've said enough, and going at it back and forth with you isn't too entertaining... I'm outta this one.

[ November 04, 2003, 11:11 AM: Message edited by: Keith Blackstone ]

[Leslie]

Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
I don't need a sense of humor to know when I'm right and you're not...

And there it is Keith, we all know how you need to be right. Smile your on Candid Camera! :D

[TAD]

even in the heydays of disco there were two camps. this dichotomy has existed as long as i can remember. back then it was euro disco. in new york, the parallels would be the saint vs. the garage. it's no different to what's happening today with the trance scene.

i don't understand peoples reactions. jmj is right about one thing. there's a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to plur. it seems we're just as hateful as the next joe trance. but then agan who are we to judge joe trance's . i'll bet you one things for sure. these people aren't worried about this scene & are not losing sleep over it. i can also bet that if they had a chance to experience it, they would appreciate it for what it is, even if they weren't feeling it.

i can appreciate that vid clip for what it is. people having fun, enjoying themsleves, even with their limited exposure to other music. so what?? this is their world, their reality. i'm sure the endorphins are flying high. who knows maybe in 10 years their tastes will change. maybe they listen to blues at home. do we really know. do we really care? should we be so quick to judge?

in response to the original question, yes this is part of the larger framework. in the fact it is the cement, the foundation that hold it all together, no matter how insignificant it may seem from the outside, it is still a powerfull force that will never die, never crumble because if it ever does, you can bet the rest will tumble right along with it.

[Ron la Rock]

Originally posted by DJ Keith Porter:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Keith Blackstone:
Sure this music is part of the larger frame work of dance music, but the reality is that in order to get to that level it takes alot of tools... many which people either don't know how to get/use or don't have the forsight and macroscopic vision to manipulate (or the money)...

Too busy being "deep" or "underground" instead of trying to look at the big picture and take advantage of it, or make moves.

Now for those who have actually done all that, and are superstars in the Deep House scene, Louie, Kerri, etc, etc, etc... they have to overcome what the mainstream party people consider good... and that is told to them (the party people) by the magazines and various media outlets... and of course you need "white appeal"

Many many things stacked against us, but no reason why success cannot be attained if the right approach/strategy is taken.

Said more then enough as it is... back to my corner [img]smile.gif[/img]

Right On point!
[img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Dance music will always be apart of the main frame.
The object is how to keep a the original concept down and develop a so called new concept from the existing.

I say this because as we all know none of the Euro dance concepts would existed with out dance music.
80% of all music out there now has been developed around dance music.

Take rock these days for example it don't sound like Rock in the 60's, 70's or 80's.
The beats and rythms are more structured around 4/4.
Did I say something wrong! [img]graemlins/scared.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]no wrong or rights/ good response both k's
I'm tryin 2 gather some perspectives and hopefully gain a lil more insight with this
yes its frustrating
wich leads 2 more questions

I reccently went to hear one of our" hot cats (theo at apt) play the music was dope the place had young people and was packed but no one except a handful of people were actually dancing?

the last couple of socalled soulful "HOt"
jointz (and thanks KB that was a friendly an nice thing you did) havent really done it 4 me at all and 1 is cool but nothn out of the ordinaRY TIMED STRETCHED VOCAL over a reppettive beat not much different nor less cheesy than anything in that tiesto clip IMO and it danm sure doesn't make me wanna run or jump up 2 a dancefloor near you?

so we know what we are not
but where and are we really?
has this thing been so sliced and diced that we are totally somethng else than Dance music ?

[GROOVE VICTIM]

rent'm spoons!!!!!!!!!

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