The beginnings of Peace being waged in the Middle East?

[mdpm99]

"...the time has come between us and you Israelis, and listen to me Israelis, to get out of this cycle of destructive war."

-Yasser Arafat

[DJ76]

If Muslims and Jews in that region can come to peace, it could solve lots of problems around the world. Not all, but some.

If the rich would share what they had with the poor, it could solve lots of problems aournd the world. Not all, but some.

If the righteous, instead of corrupted politicians, lead the world, it could solve lots of problems around the world. Not all, but some.

Many ifs and many problems. But remember this: from all times, most leaders of the world have been criminals. Perhaps we don't see kings with huge lands like in Middle Age, but yesterday's kings have been replaced, those that strive for power have gotten wiser and hide behind the veil of corporations, multinationals, etc.

To put it simply, much is left to be done before we can see Peace across the world, but to see Peace in the middle east, Yasser's phrase might be a good beginning.

[ November 12, 2003, 06:15 AM: Message edited by: DJ76 ]

[mdpm99]

News Alert: Palestinian prime minister calls for cease-fire with Israel as soon as possible.


Please let this come true! It will show that it is more important to love our children than it is to hate one another.

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d.

Ps. The way to true peace is thru peaceful means.

[ November 12, 2003, 06:27 AM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]

[DJ76]

David,

I cannot get excited by this, until I have seen results. This conflict has been going on for so long, so many times did we have hope, yet 25 years ago, my family had to leave the area because of the same problem. I sure hope it's a start, but I won't get my hopes up either.

Hopefully, they'll get to an agreement before they have killed the last person in that area!

[lyot]

hello David,

I would like Arafat to put his money where his mouth is, instead of providing financial assistance to the bomb squads of Al Aqsa martyr brigades..because that is what he has been doing the last couple of years...I really can't take serious the man who flushed away the greatest hope for Israeli Palestinian peace, namely his former prime minister Abu Mazen.. That was a man with a clear vision on how things had to be dealt with, but Arafat choose the path of violence (this is three months ago) .. I really hope that Arafat will see that his way is leading to total destruction of the Palestinian state idea..but to be honest, I believe that he's convinced that ONLY through violence (with a 'cease-fire' now & then to regain forces) the Palestinian state can see the light..

greetings!

[JoeB]

Originally posted by lyot:
hello David,

I would like Arafat to put his money where his mouth is, instead of providing financial assistance to the bomb squads of Al Aqsa martyr brigades..because that is what he has been doing the last couple of years...I really can't take serious the man who flushed away the greatest hope for Israeli Palestinian peace, namely his former prime minister Abu Mazen.. That was a man with a clear vision on how things had to be dealt with, but Arafat choose the path of violence (this is three months ago) .. I really hope that Arafat will see that his way is leading to total destruction of the Palestinian state idea..but to be honest, I believe that he's convinced that ONLY through violence (with a 'cease-fire' now & then to regain forces) the Palestinian state can see the light..

greetings!

and jewish settlements are sure contributing a LOT to to this peace process, huh? not to mention that ****ing wall.

[altrrdst8]

and the fact that the israeli prime minister is a war criminal with blood on his hands doesnt help.
he is a war monger and must go before there is any chance of peace.

st8

[DJ76]

what's the story with that wall now? I heard quickly through the news that the UN disapproved it and asked it to be dismantled? Anyone has more info on this?

[JoeB]

and lyot, if you ever get a chance, check out "gaza strip". it's a doc that focuses on everyday palestinians and don't just look at the sadness in these peoples' faces but REALLY listen to their words and when you hear a 10 year old boy say that there is no real reason to live because of the way his life is and the things his family has to put up with then i hope you can understand why there can be so much anger in that area.

[Leslie]

Originally posted by altrrdst8:
and the fact that the israeli prime minister is a war criminal with blood on his hands doesnt help.
he is a war monger and must go before there is any chance of peace.

st8

Here, here!

[lyot]

Joe B,
you must have gotten the impression that I'm totally pro-Israeli, but I'm not...I despise all these right wing Israeli's who are equally responsible for the deadlock of the conflict..Yet, don't make no mistake,it's Arafat who's taken this to a higher level, with his second Intifadah. .. You can blame Sharon for a lot of things, but we've supported (i mean the EU-) Arafat for way too long..

[mdpm99]

We can always hope.

d.

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by altrrdst8:
and the fact that the israeli prime minister is a war criminal with blood on his hands doesnt help.
he is a war monger and must go before there is any chance of peace.

st8

Greetings altrrdst8:

Even an olive branch will wilt if held out to long.

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d

[Hk]

Peace David, Lyot, good comments Dj76, right with you Altrrdst8.....

I am still wondering....given the "middle-east scenario"......let's suppose that this happens to Americans or say, those in Belguim, (would it then be acceptable to vanquish an imperialist by any means necesssary?--even if it means strapping a bomb to your chest)....my simple mind tells me that it would.

If, and lets pray that it never happens, a country invades America and has much more sophisticated weapons than she, I am sure many of us would okay strapping on bombs to ourselves to protect a region that we think is "ours".

Given that....dont ask the victim to stop fighting, whatever his means(I say).

[mdpm99]

Originally posted by Hk:
Peace David, Lyot, good comments Dj76, right with you Altrrdst8.....

I am still wondering....given the "middle-east scenario"......let's suppose that this happens to Americans or say, those in Belguim, (would it then be acceptable to vanquish an imperialist by any means necesssary?--even if it means strapping a bomb to your chest)....my simple mind tells me that it would.

If, and lets pray that it never happens, a country invades America and has much more sophisticated weapons than she, I am sure many of us would okay strapping on bombs to ourselves to protect a region that we think is "ours".

Given that....dont ask the victim to stop fighting, whatever his means(I say).

Peace on Earth,

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d

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by Hk:
Peace David, Lyot, good comments Dj76, right with you Altrrdst8.....

I am still wondering....given the "middle-east scenario"......let's suppose that this happens to Americans or say, those in Belguim, (would it then be acceptable to vanquish an imperialist by any means necesssary?--even if it means strapping a bomb to your chest)....my simple mind tells me that it would.

If, and lets pray that it never happens, a country invades America and has much more sophisticated weapons than she, I am sure many of us would okay strapping on bombs to ourselves to protect a region that we think is "ours".

Given that....dont ask the victim to stop fighting, whatever his means(I say).

True that.

[mdpm99]

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Now is the time for BOTH sides to seize this opportunity and build PEACE. Palestinians, rise up and demand an end to suicide bombings and violence. Israelis, demand an end to settlements and the wall. BOTH sides must participate. No one will suceed under the mantle of fear.

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d

[Hk]

In essence I agree, but how do you tell a kid whose parents have been blown to smitherines that!...

No electricity, no clean water, guts, brains, dirt, stinch, bullets and bulldozers.....

Again in theory, I have to agree, but an emotionally traumatized people with the above mentioned complex will see it much different my friend.

Its how high our towers are and how full are bellies are that blinds us from seeing the stark truth of these international matters.

[Leslie]

Going back to the thread I started a few days ago regarding the absence of RESPECT; this may be the place to start.

[uzibee]

Wishful thinking.

As long as Arafat or Sharon will be in power, there will be no peace in the middle east.

Sad but true. We are dealing with two of the most treacheous and deceitful (sp) characters on earth (Bush is not far behind).

[Cheddar]

Originally posted by uzibee:
Wishful thinking.

As long as Arafat or Sharon will be in power, there will be no peace in the middle east.

Sad but true. We are dealing with two of the most treacheous and deceitful (sp) characters on earth (Bush is not far behind).

I am sorry to open a can of worms people, but I must. How can Arafat be considered truly treacherous..yes his tactics may be found to be treacherous but you must really think about his motives. Since the Balfour Declaration (Google time if you dont know), Palestine all of the sudden became the home to Jews, the state of Israel had begun. Now go up this thread and undertsand the sentiment that these people have their "Back Up On The Wall".

Yeah suicide bombings are treacherous and terrible. But that is the greatest weapon they have. They dont have copters and planes armed with US weapons. They dont have Nukes.

My point: You will never know who is right or wrong but know this...the Palestinians are getting the short end of the stick and the are defending their pride.

Did I ramble?!?!?!?




[ November 12, 2003, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: 1343 ]

[mdpm99]

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Israel has tried repression, aparthied, torture, and life is worse there than ever. The Palestinains have tried terror, and all out war, and their lives are hell. Why don't we all show some guts and admit, that both sides have created this mess and it won't be cleaned up until they look to their own sins first. Israel has to stop building settlements, the wall and bulldozing homes, Palestine has to stop licking their wounds, targeting civilians and put a real gov't together.

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[JoeB]

Originally posted by david mancuso:
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Israel has tried repression, aparthied, torture, and life is worse there than ever. The Palestinains have tried terror, and all out war, and their lives are hell. Why don't we all show some guts and admit, that both sides have created this mess and it won't be cleaned up until they look to their own sins first. Israel has to stop building settlements, the wall and bulldozing homes, Palestine has to stop licking their wounds, targeting civilians and put a real gov't together.

d

well said, david.

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[Cheddar]

It is very easy to just say "PEACE"..hell that was/is my motto instead of fighting over the years. I too wish that there is peace, but sometimes that isnt an option. Why do the Palestinians fight?

[JoeB]

Originally posted by 1343:
It is very easy to just say "PEACE"..hell that was/is my motto instead of fighting over the years. I too wish that there is peace, but sometimes that isnt an option. Why do the Palestinians fight?

then what do we do? disect this situation even further? you and i know(i think) why the palestinians fight but then there are others that will not agree and i don't care how long we talk about this, unless someone is willing to see this whole situation objectively, then we'll just be discussing something that will go around in cirlces. but feel free to kick this off if you are so inclined. and i'm not trying to sound like a dick with that last statement but please share if you feel the need to.