The Democratic Party......

**House** · 10-09-2003, 06:36 AM

is now in a complete state of collapse. No message and no messengers. That a foreign born actor can demolish the dems candidates in the top electoral state means SERIOUS problems ahead.

The DLC is being shown to be a complete fraud - why vote for republican lite when you can have the real thing.

The dems ned to appeal to their base and the latent anger that exists against the past two decades of corporate takeover of the system...and there lies the problem; when it comes to corporate bedroom buddies both parties are equally culpable - hence no real Enron scandal

**Brut by Faberge** · 10-09-2003, 07:17 AM

There is no getting around corporate handouts in order to fund a campaign. As long as this happens, there will always be these sketchy quid pro quo relationships between gov and biz. Campagn finance reform as it exists is beyond laughable.

**House** · 10-09-2003, 07:19 AM

Originally posted by THX-1138:
There is no getting around corporate handouts in order to fund a campaign. As long as this happens, there will always be these sketchy quid pro quo relationships between gov and biz. Campagn finance reform as it exists is beyond laughable.

whatever happened to McCains promise of "blood on the senate floor" - chalk it up to our collective 2 second memory

mdpm99 · 10-09-2003, 07:21 AM

the demos need to get out and vote

d

**Brut by Faberge** · 10-09-2003, 07:24 AM

Originally posted by St Magus the Reviled:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by THX-1138:
There is no getting around corporate handouts in order to fund a campaign. As long as this happens, there will always be these sketchy quid pro quo relationships between gov and biz. Campagn finance reform as it exists is beyond laughable.

whatever happened to McCains promise of "blood on the senate floor" - chalk it up to our collective 2 second memory [/QUOTE]it finally caught up with him that some of the blood would be his, so he opted for reversing the effects of greenhouse gases to be his cause celebre. i'm not sure what to think of that either. who's funding them as they plug that bill anyway? stop me. i'm getting all apathetic again...does pfizer have a drug for that yet?

JL · 10-09-2003, 08:34 AM

You're spot on about the failings of the DLC. To add to that, there's way too many splinter groups within the party that prevent the Democrats from pushing forth a unified agenda capable of waking up the electorate. While I find some aspects of the Green and Libertarian parties appealing, their draw away from the Dems has allowed the Reps to gain power.

JL · 10-09-2003, 08:40 AM

Shit like this defintiely doesn't help the Dems either:

FBI bug found in Dem Philadelphia Mayor's office:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2003Oct8.html

Hk · 10-09-2003, 09:48 AM

I am still surprised at the notion of how many think that being Democratic somehow or another lifts one up from being in cohoots with the dirty politics that go on in this country?

TV culture....TV mindset, of the pop-type, mind you.

**Moksha** · 10-09-2003, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by david mancuso:
the demos need to get out and vote

d

for who? The dem's candidates lack appeal and seem as phoney as their Republican couterparts.

Three solutions to the current bullshit state of US politics:

1. Dems get backbones, re-organize the party and its message.

2. Rise of a real 3rd party.

3. Revolution.

Hk · 10-09-2003, 09:59 AM

three seems the only solution.....
but look at the average mind in America,
I wish, but doesnt seem immediately plausible,
upon further glance.

**House** · 10-09-2003, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by david mancuso:
the demos need to get out and vote

d

for who? The dem's candidates lack appeal and seem as phoney as their Republican couterparts.

Three solutions to the current bullshit state of US politics:

1. Dems get backbones, re-organize the party and its message.

2. Rise of a real 3rd party.

3. Revolution. [/QUOTE]you forgot 4; VOTE

**Moksha** · 10-09-2003, 01:33 PM

For who? What's the point of voting in a rigged system?

"Democracy"=opiate for the masses.

**Brut by Faberge** · 10-09-2003, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Hk:
three seems the only solution.....
but look at the average mind in America,
I wish, but doesnt seem immediately plausible,
upon further glance.

with all [img]graemlins/respekt.gif[/img] there's that apathy so many of us are victims of.

take what you said, now what is everybody was thinking the same thing? not likely, but what if? how would we all know? who would "lead"? i agree with you though (as i go grab my cap gun).

[ October 09, 2003, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: THX-1138 ]

**JMNYC** · 10-09-2003, 02:38 PM

I couldn't agree more Magus ...

short of a revolution, what we we need to do is push a referendum that ends all corporate donations of any kind. that would completely shake up the system and even the political playing field.

we supposedly have separation of church & state, but when big business IS the religion of this country, how can we not separate big business and state?

revisions in the penal system that need to take place never will because they help maintain the political status quo.... keep the poor and minorities in jail and keep stripping them of the right to vote if you want to maintain a system that does not cater to them. hence the tremendously high percentage of americans in jail as opposed to other countries.

[ October 09, 2003, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

**Clay BoogieDown Bonifield** · 10-09-2003, 06:56 PM

What about Terry McAuliffe?

There was little to no get out the vote effort in the mid-terms & a total fumble in cali.

Bold Soul · 10-09-2003, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Orion : Konbit:
For who? What's the point of voting in a rigged system?

"Democracy"=opiate for the masses.

Hmmm...

"Government is the shadow of business over the people." - Henry David Thoreau

"Whatever crushes individuality is despotism, by whatever name it may be called." - John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

"Vote: the instrument and symbol of a freeman's power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country." - Ambrose Bierce

"When a ... man governs himself, that is self-government; but when he governs himself and also governs another man, that is despotism ... No man is good enough to govern another man without that other's consent." - Abraham Lincoln

http://www.4literature.net/Henry_Dav..._Disobedience/

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