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    Originally posted by mhd:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    some of this advice doesn't make sense, like not closing unused accounts, you can only close them if you pay them off, paying off credit card debt is always a good idea, but following their advice makes you a greater risk of identity theft. also, if the article advises to keep accounts with higher rates over newer accounts with lower rates, that makes zero financial sense, to me. fact is, you should not have many cards anyway
    You can't have your cake and eat it to. Higher risk for ID theft vs. higher FICO score ;)

    What I got from the article is to keep the older higher interest rate cards open but don't necessarily use them in place of the newer lower interest cards. He was making the point that it would be far better in terms of keeping a high FICO score to close down the new cards with the lower rates than to close the older cards because they carry so much more weight in computing the score. No one would continue to charge on a higher interest credit card when they have a lower interest one available.

    -G
    </font>[/QUOTE]i'm not buying it,
    consider the relative impacts, if you don't protect yourself from identity theft and someone abuses your identity, don't you think your fico score will go up?

    You mean your FICO score will go down if someone stills your identity. Yes. I guess considering all the ways that your identity can get stolen having those few extra accounts open is not going to increase your risk that much more than it already is
    what about this quote:

    "Consumers, understandably enough, often seek to close out high-interest-rate cards. They're "looking at their credit from a smart consumer point of view not a credit point of view," Rhode said. However, "you might be better off to close the newer cards even if they have lower interest rates, and keep the older cards with the history."

    how can being a smart consumer be against your better interest? doesn't make sense, unless you consider how many big ticket items or transactions will the typical consumer make? one maybe two home purchases, a car here and there? so the importance kinda diminishes if you look at it that way, meanwhile if you follow these guys advice you will actually pay more for a high fico score.

    I hear what ya saying Mark, but my point was keep the old credit accounts open but don't be stupid and keep using them
    being a smart, savvy and safe consumer should be consistent with a fico score, in other words, you should be rewarded for doing the right thing for yourself. besides, my history is my history, it just doesn't vanish just because i'm paying 8percent for two years rather than 18 percent for twelve years.

    If this FICO score is so important and thats what the lenders are looking at first then the implication is that by closing those accounts that account history does lower the score
    getting back to those big purchases, imo, fico is somewhat of a mystery, a combination of factors, which tells me it is also one of the MANY elements of a transaction that are negotiable, and if not, its negative impact surely can be offset by things that are negotiable.

    The FICO score's negative impact may be able to be offset by things that are negotiable but I just want them role out the red carpet [img]smile.gif[/img]
    finally, i'm waiting for an answer from leslie, who apparently did not follow the advice in this article and guess what "no adverse implications"
    </font>[/QUOTE]I thought she simply meant that she could have had a higher FICO score after it was all said and done.

    -G

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    mhd what is your problem? If you don't agree with the article fine. As Gman stated I viewed my circumstance as possbily being able to have a higher FICO score if I just left those accounts open as opposed to closing them. What is the big deal with how I chose to view it? I posted an article for reference purposes, how people choose to interpret the information is clearly their choice. Why you've chosen to yell at me about a minor comment I made concerning my personal circumstance is clearly escaping me.
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    Thanks Leslie! I needed this too.
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    Originally posted by Leslie:
    mhd what is your problem? If you don't agree with the article fine. As Gman stated I viewed my circumstance as possbily being able to have a higher FICO score if I just left those accounts open as opposed to closing them. What is the big deal with how I chose to view it? I posted an article for reference purposes, how people choose to interpret the information is clearly their choice. Why you've chosen to yell at me about a minor comment I made concerning my personal circumstance is clearly escaping me.
    whoa, chill, how am i yelling at you?,i just asked a question, this is very important stuff. i listen to jean chatzky all the time. i'm glad you posted the article, i'm just pointing out some flaws in their reasoning that other people may not have noticed. you mentioned your situation, i didn't, but its a very good example of whether these guys' advice makes sense, apparently it does not, if you had said: "had i followed their reasoning i would have paid a lower interest rate" that would be very persuasive to me, notwithstanding the fact that you could have refinanced at a lower rate later. my bottom line is the fico score is only one factor and consumers need to realize how much power and leverage they have in the transaction.

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    One thing to keep in mind regarding credit scores is that mortgage payment and car credit history far exceed credit card accounts in terms of importance to the score itself. The bureaus are mortgage and/or auto "enhanced", meaning those accounts will more positively or negatively affect your score than any other type of account, mainly because these are the two largest accounts ($$$$) most people open. Civil judgements, tax liens, and charge offs are major contributing factors to low scores. Bankruptcies, reposessions, and foreclosures are credit killers.....JMJ

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    Source Myfico.com:

    FICO Scores are calculated from a lot of different credit data in your credit report. This data can be grouped into five categories as outlined below. The percentages in the chart reflect how important each of the categories is in determining your score.



    These percentages are based on the importance of the five categories for the general population. For particular groups - for example, people who have not been using credit long - the importance of these categories may be somewhat different.

    Payment History
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    Account payment information on specific types of accounts (credit cards, retail accounts, installment loans, finance company accounts, mortgage, etc.)
    Presence of adverse public records (bankruptcy, judgements, suits, liens, wage attachments, etc.), collection items, and/or delinquency (past due items)
    Severity of delinquency (how long past due)
    Amount past due on delinquent accounts or collection items
    Time since (recency of) past due items (delinquency), adverse public records (if any), or collection items (if any)
    Number of past due items on file
    Number of accounts paid as agreed
    Amounts Owed
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    Amount owing on accounts
    Amount owing on specific types of accounts
    Lack of a specific type of balance, in some cases
    Number of accounts with balances
    Proportion of credit lines used (proportion of balances to total credit limits on certain types of revolving accounts)
    Proportion of installment loan amounts still owing (proportion of balance to original loan amount on certain types of installment loans)
    Length of Credit History
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    Time since accounts opened
    Time since accounts opened, by specific type of account
    Time since account activity
    New Credit
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    Number of recently opened accounts, and proportion of accounts that are recently opened, by type of account
    Number of recent credit inquiries
    Time since recent account opening(s), by type of account
    Time since credit inquiry(s)
    Re-establishment of positive credit history following past payment problems
    Types of Credit Used
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    Number of (presence, prevalence, and recent information on) various types of accounts (credit cards, retail accounts, installment loans, mortgage, consumer finance accounts, etc.)

    Please note that:

    A score takes into consideration all these categories of information, not just one or two.

    No one piece of information or factor alone will determine your score.

    The importance of any factor depends on the overall information in your credit report.
    For some people, a given factor may be more important than for someone else with a different credit history. In addition, as the information in your credit report changes, so does the importance of any factor in determining your score. Thus, it's impossible to say exactly how important any single factor is in determining your score - even the levels of importance shown here are for the general population, and will be different for different credit profiles. What's important is the mix of information, which varies from person to person, and for any one person over time.

    Your FICO score only looks at information in your credit report.

    However, lenders look at many things when making a credit decision including your income, how long you have worked at your present job and the kind of credit you are requesting.

    Your score considers both positive and negative information in your credit report.

    Late payments will lower your score, but establishing or re-establishing a good track record of making payments on time will raise your score.

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    Originally posted by JMJ:
    One thing to keep in mind regarding credit scores is that mortgage payment and car credit history far exceed credit card accounts in terms of importance to the score itself. The bureaus are mortgage and/or auto "enhanced", meaning those accounts will more positively or negatively affect your score than any other type of account, mainly because these are the two largest accounts ($$$$) most people open. Civil judgements, tax liens, and charge offs are major contributing factors to low scores. Bankruptcies, reposessions, and foreclosures are credit killers.....JMJ
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    Originally posted by mhd:
    my bottom line is the fico score is only one factor and consumers need to realize how much power and leverage they have in the transaction.
    [img]graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

    Now lets assume I have a middle of the road fico score. Just for the sake of a list what other factors are considered ?

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    Originally posted by Gman:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    my bottom line is the fico score is only one factor and consumers need to realize how much power and leverage they have in the transaction.
    [img]graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

    Now lets assume I have a middle of the road fico score. Just for the sake of a list what other factors are considered ?
    </font>[/QUOTE]your post gave a pretty good description of what this is about, will you pay this money back. so other factors would include your relationship, the willingness of the parties to do the transaction, money, downpayment, timing

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    Credit is a funny thing. Its important, but on the other hand it isn't important. If you learn another set of rules and business practices, you can eliminate the need of having to have good credit. If it makes anybody feel better - for the record, my personal credit sucks [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img] In the past, Ive had around 20k in credit card debt with at least 10 charged off items on my account; but that hasnt held me me back or stressed me out because I know another set of rules.

    I remeber reading an article several years ago (I think in Business Week) about Janina Pawlowski, the co-founder of E-Loan. Her company offers many types of loans over the internet and had a very successful ipo a few years ago; the woman is worth millions.

    The article blew my mind because she stated that if she applied for a loan on her own website, she could not qualify for it because of her horrendous personal credit But on the other hand she is worth millions and can buy anything she wants in life. In her situation, credit doesnt matter because she knows how to build a business and build wealth.

    She doesnt have to buy a house with her personal income...her business does...she doesnt have to buy a car with her personal income...her business does it.

    I know of a guy who filed for bankruptcy and lost everything he had. He went to a car dealership and it took him two days and tons of stress to buy a cheap car. A few years later, after learning to build wealth and a successful business, his money bought a Benz s500 over the phone in under 30 minutes and he had them deliver it to his home [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]


    I'm not advocating that one should forget about trying to have good credit, because having good credit is definitely a plus. Good credit can help you get jobs, and lower interest rates on mortgages and other loans. If a person ONLY desires to have a regualar job and CHOOSES NOT to be active and successfual in building wealth thru businesses and other investment, credit is CRITICAL and can make or break you. Conversely, if a person is dilligent and successful in building a business and/or other investments, credit isnt important because your business/investments can purchase items...personal credit becomes irrelevant.

    I'm merely stating that if you have bad credit, it isnt the end of the world - just learn another set of rules and side step the issue. By all means, clean it up, but having bad creidit isnt the end of the world. If you learn how to make money, there is a ray of hope for bad credit people [img]graemlins/rofl.gif[/img]


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    word, julian, funny, i know the other co-founder of e-loan, chris larsen

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    Originally posted by Gman:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    my bottom line is the fico score is only one factor and consumers need to realize how much power and leverage they have in the transaction.
    [img]graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

    Now lets assume I have a middle of the road fico score. Just for the sake of a list what other factors are considered ?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Assuming you're applying for credit, here are the things creditors look at that affect their decisions:

    Score (obviously)
    Length of time in the bureau
    Income
    Time on job
    Time at residence
    Mortgage or rent?
    Income to debt ratio (ability to pay)
    Recent payment history (last 18-24 months)
    Recent credit inquiries
    Car credit history (if applicable)
    Collateral or down payment (if applicable)

    Score is important, but most creditors know the FICO, Beacon, and Emperica scoring systems are flawed. Making credit decisions strictly based on score is a disservice to the consumer. It should be used as a guideline only. Just my opinion......JMJ

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    Werd... what is he like? how did you meet him?

    I know their stock is nowhere close to where it used to be, but the owners should still have plenty of cheddar in the coffers.

    Originally posted by mhd:
    word, julian, funny, i know the other co-founder of e-loan, chris larsen

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    Originally posted by julian_kelly:
    Werd... what is he like? how did you meet him?

    I know their stock is nowhere close to where it used to be, but the owners should still have plenty of cheddar in the coffers.

    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    word, julian, funny, i know the other co-founder of e-loan, chris larsen
    </font>[/QUOTE]young cat, cool as hell, he is good friends with one of my boys in san francisco and all of those companies that blew up in the dot com boom, all of the ceos know each other, but e-loan like e-bay survived when the dot com bubble burst and they were well positioned to take advantage of the real estate boom

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    Originally posted by JMJ:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    my bottom line is the fico score is only one factor and consumers need to realize how much power and leverage they have in the transaction.
    [img]graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

    Now lets assume I have a middle of the road fico score. Just for the sake of a list what other factors are considered ?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Assuming you're applying for credit, here are the things creditors look at that affect their decisions:

    Score (obviously)
    Length of time in the bureau
    Income
    Time on job
    Time at residence
    Mortgage or rent?
    Income to debt ratio (ability to pay)
    Recent payment history (last 18-24 months)
    Recent credit inquiries
    Car credit history (if applicable)
    Collateral or down payment (if applicable)

    Score is important, but most creditors know the FICO, Beacon, and Emperica scoring systems are flawed. Making credit decisions strictly based on score is a disservice to the consumer. It should be used as a guideline only. Just my opinion......JMJ
    </font>[/QUOTE]J, great answers throughout this thread, props, could not agree with you more on this last paragraph. i can't tell you how many times i have been asked to write letters explaining why a certain item is not quite right on someone's credit report, and the deal goes through. also, i try to always do business with people i know personally or through referrals or friends of friends.

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    Originally posted by mhd:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    my bottom line is the fico score is only one factor and consumers need to realize how much power and leverage they have in the transaction.
    [img]graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

    Now lets assume I have a middle of the road fico score. Just for the sake of a list what other factors are considered ?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Assuming you're applying for credit, here are the things creditors look at that affect their decisions:

    Score (obviously)
    Length of time in the bureau
    Income
    Time on job
    Time at residence
    Mortgage or rent?
    Income to debt ratio (ability to pay)
    Recent payment history (last 18-24 months)
    Recent credit inquiries
    Car credit history (if applicable)
    Collateral or down payment (if applicable)

    Score is important, but most creditors know the FICO, Beacon, and Emperica scoring systems are flawed. Making credit decisions strictly based on score is a disservice to the consumer. It should be used as a guideline only. Just my opinion......JMJ
    </font>[/QUOTE]J, great answers throughout this thread, props, could not agree with you more on this last paragraph. i can't tell you how many times i have been asked to write letters explaining why a certain item is not quite right on someone's credit report, and the deal goes through. also, i try to always do business with people i know personally or through referrals or friends of friends.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I spend a good portion of my day at work doing the same thing, rehashing applications over the phone with bank and finance company reps. Makes a HUGE difference, and those relationships are key to getting deals done, in my opinion. Numbers really don't tell the WHOLE story.....JMJ
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    Originally posted by JMJ:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMJ:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gman:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    my bottom line is the fico score is only one factor and consumers need to realize how much power and leverage they have in the transaction.
    [img]graemlins/beerchug.gif[/img]

    Now lets assume I have a middle of the road fico score. Just for the sake of a list what other factors are considered ?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Assuming you're applying for credit, here are the things creditors look at that affect their decisions:

    Score (obviously)
    Length of time in the bureau
    Income
    Time on job
    Time at residence
    Mortgage or rent?
    Income to debt ratio (ability to pay)
    Recent payment history (last 18-24 months)
    Recent credit inquiries
    Car credit history (if applicable)
    Collateral or down payment (if applicable)

    Score is important, but most creditors know the FICO, Beacon, and Emperica scoring systems are flawed. Making credit decisions strictly based on score is a disservice to the consumer. It should be used as a guideline only. Just my opinion......JMJ
    </font>[/QUOTE]J, great answers throughout this thread, props, could not agree with you more on this last paragraph. i can't tell you how many times i have been asked to write letters explaining why a certain item is not quite right on someone's credit report, and the deal goes through. also, i try to always do business with people i know personally or through referrals or friends of friends.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I spend a good portion of my day at work doing the same thing, rehashing applications over the phone with bank and finance company reps. Makes a HUGE difference, and those relationships are key to getting deals done, in my opinion. Numbers really don't tell the WHOLE story.....JMJ
    </font>[/QUOTE]agreed, relationships are important in all transactions. btw, my boy just got the xle, you were right, very sweet

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