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    As I was reading it, I couldn't help thinking most NYTimes readers probably know absolutely nothing about this.
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    Senator Strom Thurmond's Not-So-Secret Black Daughter
    By BRENT STAPLES

    December 18, 2003

    African-Americans and white Americans are so deeply entangled by blood that racial categories have become meaningless. When discussing the issue in public, I typically offer my own family as an example. We check "black" on the census and appear black to the naked eye, but we are also descended from white ancestors on both sides. Despite appearances, I told an audience not long ago, "I am as `white' as anyone in this room."

    White people — mainly blank-faced and perplexed — typically don't get it. But black people get it fine: they chuckle, cover their faces in mock embarrassment or nod in quiet agreement. Racial ambiguity is a theme they have heard discussed in their families and communities throughout their lives.

    Black families have always talked openly about white ancestors and relatives. In hotbeds of race-mixing like New Orleans or Charleston, S.C., black and white branches of a family sometimes lived so close at hand that they ran into one another on the street, and black children were warned that their pale relatives could react violently if approached. Black parents who passed on news of white ancestry to their offspring were not trying to arrange family reunions. They were debunking racism by showing their children that black families and white families were more closely connected by ancestry than racists liked to admit.

    White families, by contrast, were terrified by blackness in the family tree. Relationships that could not simply be ignored were deliberately buried. The cover-up hatched 200 years ago by Thomas Jefferson's family was blown away a few years back after genetic evidence showed that Jefferson almost certainly fathered Sally Hemings's final son, Eston, born in 1808. This led historians to conclude that Jefferson fathered all of her children in a relationship that lasted more than 35 years.

    The big lesson for historians in the Hemings-Jefferson case was that the oral histories passed down by slaves and their descendants were more reliable than the official written record. This put historians on notice that they should give the oral tradition more credence, especially when working on issues of interracial intimacy.

    The point was underscored dramatically when the family of Strom Thurmond, the former United States senator, dropped decades of denials and acknowledged that Mr. Thurmond, who died last summer at the age of 100, had fathered a daughter with a black maid in the family household in 1925. The daughter, a retired teacher named Essie Mae Washington-Williams, 78, had periodically denied Mr. Thurmond's paternity for the public record but had passed on the truth to her children, who pressured her to come forward after Mr. Thurmond's death last June.

    Like most stories of its kind, this one would have died out long ago had it not been carried for nearly a century on the tongues of black South Carolinians, who recognized the story of Strom Thurmond and Essie Mae Washington-Williams's mother as a universal story of black families across the state.

    It was not, however, the official story. The biographer Nadine Cohodas dismissed it as a "legend in the black community" a decade ago in her book "Strom Thurmond and the Politics of Southern Change." Another writer of the South described it as apparently without foundation — a phrase that is used all the time to dismiss the black oral tradition as apocryphal.

    In the 1998 biography, "Ol' Strom," however, a journalism professor, Jack Bass, and a Washington Post reporter, Marilyn Thompson, went back to the oral stories of black South Carolinians, some of whom knew the household, as well as the accounts of a black elevator operator who recalled seeing a light-skinned black woman riding the elevator to visit Mr. Thurmond when he was governor.

    How could Mr. Thurmond, who sought the presidency on a segregationist platform in 1948, have lived publicly as a racist while secretly helping to support a black daughter? This was a common practice in the South, where slaveholders and their descendants produced mulatto children. While some white fathers treated their mixed-race children like dirt, others supported and educated them. They refused to acknowledge them to keep the nonexistent barrier between the races firmly intact.

    Like the Jefferson story, this one seems more sensational because of who Strom Thurmond was. In truth, it is the story of the entire American South — and the great secret of race that until just recently dared not speak its name.

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    or black ancestors in white families, as for nytimes readers, they know, trust me, they know, you have to know the truth in order to tell a lie

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    Originally posted by mhd:
    you have to know the truth in order to tell a lie
    that sentence is deep.

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    Good comment MHD,

    I am sure they all know how it came about too, via rape!....oh wait, I am incorrect, because the slave masters made it legal to rape a black woman during these times.

    Makes 1 wonder:

    Why are black males always accused of rape when someone has a history of it? In fact the cock-sucker couldnt get enough so he made it legal.

    Why dont the "civil" admit the obvious and move forward?

    The writers of history arent writing real-life events at all, they're faking-at-it!....so what does that say about the history of America in general(perhaps its all, or should I say most of it, is built on half-truths).......?
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    Originally posted by mhd:
    or black ancestors in white families, as for nytimes readers, they know, trust me, they know, you have to know the truth in order to tell a lie
    You ain't never told a lie...

    Like the author of the Op-Ed piece this scenario plays out on both sides of my family.
    I was gonna write something else but this shit a bit too deep....
    It ain't how much you know, it's what you do with what you do know!

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    Originally posted by Hk:
    Why are black males always accused of rape when someone has a history of it? In fact the cock-sucker couldnt get enough so he made it legal.
    this is a leap of association with present crimes VS past crimes. Past crimes cannot excuse current ones can they?

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    half-truth is giving too much credit.
    in strom's case, all you had to do was look at his daughter to conclude that she was his daughter, hell, even HER daughter looks like strom.
    question, in addition to being a racist, was strom also a rapist and a pedophile?

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    For those who wonder where the rift between black and white women began, may want to start here.....
    It ain't how much you know, it's what you do with what you do know!

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    Originally posted by Leslie:
    For those who wonder where the rift between black and white women began, may want to start here.....
    That is deep. Please elaborate. Actually, fuck elaborate - TEACH!

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    Originally posted by mhd:
    half-truth is giving too much credit.
    in strom's case, all you had to do was look at his daughter to conclude that she was his daughter, hell, even HER daughter looks like strom.
    question, in addition to being a racist, was strom also a rapist and a pedophile?
    By today's legal standards, yes. Statuatory rape.

    Has there been any discussion on whether Strom and this woman had any kind of relationship? Has there been any discussion of rape? I haven't heard any.

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    Those women who's husbands, fathers, etc owned land and slaves did NOTHING to stop the rape of young black girls and women on the plantations. Instead they sat back SILENTLY as their men would openly step out and rape the slave women, and CONTINUED to be silent as their sons were ENCOURAGED to gain their first sexual experiences at the EXPENSE of defenseless slave girls and women. Do you realize what happened to these women when they tried to fight back? Instead what many of these white women did was label the black women as loose, immoral, whores, and any other assortment of degrading terms to dehumanize them. They were so high on their pedestals that they could not even see the women as HUMAN enough to not deserve to be subjected to that type of violence. Don't think it was EVER forgotten, as you shoved Christianity down our throats....

    I don't give a fuck how much y'all are spending at the club....
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    Thanks for the lesson.

    It's really a whole other topic for it's own thread - the rift between black and white women. It's so much more pronounced in the house scene than any other club scene I've ever been part of.

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    Following up on Leslie's post...
    Reconstructing Womanhood, by Hazel V. Carby
    (Oxford, New York: Oxford University Press, 1987): 223 pages

    Reviewed by Sarah Whitney


    When I first read Carby's title, my mind flashed immediately to speaker Sojourner Truth's famous line at the 1851 Women's Rights Convention: "Ain't I a woman?" Truth sought recognition of her womanhood not based on any biological question of her sex, but because as a black woman in nineteenth-century America, she was locked out of the ideologies that shaped the category "woman." Hazel Carby's book Reconstructing Womanhood envelops Truth's observations about the construction of gendered and racialized womanhood in its larger project, which rethinks the canonical line about the development of African-American women writers.

    Carby's tightly packed introduction outlines her four main claims. She states her intention to dissect the domestic ideology of nineteenth-century womanhood and its effect upon white and black females. She takes a stance against the existence of widespread interracial "sisterhood," arguing that although individual white women may have aided black women to edit or publish texts, the larger ideology of womanhood placed constraints of race before those of gender, aligning white women with a "racist patriarchal order" that excluded black females (6). In order to conquer this divide, Carby asserts that black women authors wrote explicitly political texts that tried to sensitize their audiences to their exclusion from the traditional womanhood, and that they used the privileged position of "women" to advocate for social change. Lastly, Carby hopes to show that these black women writers, often neglected, are part of a historically resonant "black woman's renaissance" (a term she feels has only gained credence in the 1970's - present recognition of Alice Walker, Toni Morrison and other contemporaries).

    Carby opens with a discussion of womanhood modeled upon the so-called "cult of true womanhood," a cultural institution created and reinforced in the nineteenth century by guidebooks, education, and social practices. The virtues of purity, piety, submissiveness and domesticity were key to the construction of the white female; Carby argues that the white woman's image was strengthened by having a defined opposite in the construction of black female sexuality. Where white women were figured as soft, delicate, sexless and glorified in their motherhood, black women were harnessed to an image of brute strength, vulgarity, relentless lust, and a conception as "breeders" who possessed no ties to their children. "Womanhood" constructed an angel in the house and a dark double, which dampened feelings of sisterhood between black and white women.

    Carby uses the trope of institutionalized rape as a representative nexus of ideologies confronting black women's attempt to utilize "womanhood." Slave rape perpetrated by white males often led to children, which figured the slave woman as "breeder" and not as glorified mother. The act's sexual aggression was socially transferred onto the lustful slave woman, pitting her against the cult of true womanhood's ideal of purity and also creating a fissure between the slave woman and the white mistress, who could transfer her humiliation and anger onto the black woman. And rape also policed the black community, both by emasculating the black father and husband, and by becoming a political weapon for the lynching of black men.

    Surviving rape at all, of course, goes against the sentimental grain of true womanhood, in which death was preferable to dishonor. Yet black female writers underwent assault - physical and mental - and lived to pass on the experience in their writings. Carby begins her study with Harriet Jacobs's Narrative of the Life of a Slave Girl, in which the ex-slave maintains that the standards of womanhood demanded of white females do not apply to the daily lives of their black counterparts. Jacobs articulates the idea that beauty, the crowning glory of white womanhood, degrades the black slave by placing her in a sexually vulnerable position. She assumes the speaking position of "mother," a cornerstone of white women's ideology, though she should be locked out from that position as a "breeder" with no parental claims, and as an unmarried woman claiming a mother's sphere. Jacobs also critiques interracial sisterhood, employing the trope of blood sisters to explore the different - and often antagonistic - lives that black and white girls raised together went on to lead. Jacobs' text provides a solid introduction to the discourse of black womanhood and its standing in a slave society
    The above is an excerpt. Read the full review
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    from the review:
    "Reconstructing Womanhood ends on a note which asks us to recenter African-American literary history in favor of these women writers. Carby argues that the shadow of the Harlem Renaissance has loomed too large over the conception of black literary productivity."

    This is something I never would have considered yet it seems she can make a good argument for it.

    Shalewa, I take it that you have read that book? Is it relatively easy to get?

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    I've read parts of the book which is still in print and available on Amazon. It is primarily a literary critique. A good foundational text in Black Women's History more generally is Paula Giddings', "When and Where I Enter."
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    Originally posted by DJ 138:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by mhd:
    half-truth is giving too much credit.
    in strom's case, all you had to do was look at his daughter to conclude that she was his daughter, hell, even HER daughter looks like strom.
    question, in addition to being a racist, was strom also a rapist and a pedophile?
    By today's legal standards, yes. Statuatory rape.

    Has there been any discussion on whether Strom and this woman had any kind of relationship? Has there been any discussion of rape? I haven't heard any.
    </font>[/QUOTE]that's the problem with lies, they obscure the truth. reportedly, strom was 22 and she was a "teenager" which may technically mean she was unable to give consent to sex, regardless of their "relationship". so their particular history, we do not know, yet. see, that's the problem with the truth, it has a way of coming out, fact is, there is no disputing the history of white sons raping black female workers

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    Originally posted by DJ 138:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hk:
    Why are black males always accused of rape when someone has a history of it? In fact the cock-sucker couldnt get enough so he made it legal.
    this is a leap of association with present crimes VS past crimes. Past crimes cannot excuse current ones can they? </font>[/QUOTE]edited for relevancy

    [ December 19, 2003, 12:35 PM: Message edited by: Danny Gardner ]

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    Originally posted by Shalewa:
    I've read parts of the book which is still in print and available on Amazon. It is primarily a literary critique. A good foundational text in Black Women's History more generally is Paula Giddings', "When and Where I Enter."
    i've always heard great things about this book

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