A.D.D. and your children

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I've read articles, watched documentaries and discussed the issue of Attention Deficit Disorder with fellow co-workers and one thing the one common denominator that always appears is "Discipline".

What are your views of this disorder? To tell you the truth, I personally believe that this is an excuse for parents not disciplining their children at an early age, but something in the back of my mind tells me that there could be some environmental issues that may have an affect on our children's upbringing.

Young children are active and hyper by nature. They're full of energy as it aids in their physical development. It's no different than watching Animal Planet and watching a few lion cubs go at it on the plains of Africa.

So what do you think?

Peace

[Koffy Brown]

I did an extensive research paper on this disorder and almost 95+% of the time children are misdiagnosed...it's sad...

The majority of the children who are clinically diagnosed with this disorder are Black Males...

I'll be back on this in a minit...

[AD]

Do it the old school way and rip a branch from a tree and whip their ass.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:
I did an extensive research paper on this disorder and almost 95+% of the time children are misdiagnosed...it's sad...

The majority of the children who are clinically diagnosed with this disorder are Black Males...

I'll be back on this in a minit...

Ashaki, do you have any reasons why there's a large percentage of Black Males being "diagnosed" with this disorder?

Is it an issue of lack of fathers in the home, or positive male role models?

Peace

[Jacques de Doozu]

my brother has ADD (or ADHD as we call it here). there has been an boom in diagnosing add on every child that moves around a bit too much, cheap excuse for bad parenting or lack of patience i guess.
but those ritalin pills.....ooooowwwww. when you don't have add it has a rather reversed effect i can tell you.
can't be good to give amfetamins in large doses (on a regular basis :D ), to anybody.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:
I did an extensive research paper on this disorder and almost 95+% of the time children are misdiagnosed...it's sad...

The majority of the children who are clinically diagnosed with this disorder are Black Males...

I'll be back on this in a minit...

Ashaki, do you have any reasons why there's a large percentage of Black Males being "diagnosed" with this disorder?

Is it an issue of lack of fathers in the home, or positive male role models?

Peace </font>[/QUOTE]In my research I came to the conclusion that black males were being diagnosed at such a high rate because they are very active children. Black males like to touch and get up and move around and there is very little tolerance for this type of activity in schools (especially at the elementary level where they are usually diagnosed). Example: We would probably teach our kids (black) to sing their ABC's before they actually read them...along with singing comes clapping and maybe even a little dance...)it's just how we do things generally as a culture...Black males are generally physical by nature...we are constantly wrestling and hugging and handshaking and moving and running and throwing footballs and shooting basketballs...these are things that kids are taught very early on and when teachers don't recognize that this child isn't singing out loud or standing up out of his seat or always on the go moving about or hugging and sometimes wrestling the other students not to harm them but just because it's acceptable behavior at home and often times encouraged behavior, they then label these kids as trouble makers and problem children and a psyche examines this child and agrees ... they give the parents an ultimatum and the parent doesn't understand what's going on...the next thing you know they are diagnosed and on medication...

Also, it's important to recognize that the majority of these students come from inner city school systems...

Did you know that schools get extra money for students with behavioral problems?

Did you know that the more students they have on medication the more money the receive?

Did you know that the Dr.'s that write the prescriptions get a small %?

and of course we know that the pharmaceutical company is gettig paid?

So what we have is the school, Dr., pharmaceutical company and a gateway for the parent to get SSI or whatever kind of check they are able to get with children on medications...all getting paid at the expense of these kids...

While doing the research I found out that there was a class action lawsuit against the maker of Retlin...and Dr's who wrote these prescriptions

Also, Dr's are arguing that there is no addiction or long term affect of Ritalin and other medications they prescribe to these children...that is absolutely ridiculous...

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Wow, now that's very interesting Ashaki.

I sat in yesterday afternoon on a IEP (Individual Educational Plan) software training session and I was hearing alot of interesting points. One thing that I did notice was the apathy that some teachers have when it comes to teaching many children with mental or physical disablilties.

At some of the elementary schools that I work for, you should see how many kids go into the nurses office around lunch time to take their Ritlin pills. I never experienced this while going to school. Crazy!!!

[liL Ray]

Add is a myth of a disease state that was created by the pharmaceutical industry and sold to parents who do not want to participate in the act of parenting. and those parents bought into it only to find that years later they have lost that vibrant child tthey once had.

It should be a crime on the doctors part as well as the parent fault for going along with a diagnosis of such nonsense.....they are even now diagnosing children as young as 6 months(yeah, MONTHS)old, and given them mind altering drugs. The industry for these drugs have more than quadruple since the 1980s....and we wonder why the kids of today are different....one of the biggest side effects of these drugs are psychotic behavior....ever looked into the medication and healtth records of those Columbine boys? Check it if you don't believe.

Now the new one is ads on tv saying that there is now ADD in adults now....

http://www.kevinkolack.com/garynull.htm -- article on the drugging of our children.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

An excerpt from the Article provided by Lil Ray:

Why We Medicate Children

A newspaper cartoon shows a school plastered with posters reading, “Just say no to drugs” while the school nurse asks a group of children if they’ve taken their Ritalin today. It is indeed ironic that we, as a society, try to keep kids from taking drugs they want to take while on the other hand we force them to take drugs they may not want to take. To understand this phenomenon, we need to explore whose interests the drugging of children serves. We need to take a look at the perspective of our overcrowded school systems, at parents too busy to spend time with their children, and, naturally, at the manufacturers of these highly profitable items.


This is deep!!!

[Koffy Brown]

I do believe that ADD can exist...but I damn sure don't believe that it exist in the way that we are led to believe it does...

I wouldn't put everything on parenting...why because I know for 1 that I am a damn good parent and I am very active and proactive in my children's education...Last year they tried to pull that shit on me with my youngest son needing to be medicated well tested...I told them that they were out of their damn minds and I decided to sit in on the class room a couple of days...I tell you what...it wasn't the kids it was definitely the teacher who just didn't care and when a child misbehaved in any form or fashion she made such a big deal out of it...we have to remember that we are talking about babies...children...5 and 6 year olds...who look to adults for nurturing and direction and when they don't get that and are rejected they become defensive and that's what happened to my son...

but I was there to protect him and unfortunately there are far too many children who's parents just don't care...

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
An excerpt from the Article provided by Lil Ray:

Why We Medicate Children

A newspaper cartoon shows a school plastered with posters reading, “Just say no to drugs” while the school nurse asks a group of children if they’ve taken their Ritalin today. It is indeed ironic that we, as a society, try to keep kids from taking drugs they want to take while on the other hand we force them to take drugs they may not want to take. To understand this phenomenon, we need to explore whose interests the drugging of children serves. We need to take a look at the perspective of our overcrowded school systems, at parents too busy to spend time with their children, and, naturally, at the manufacturers of these highly profitable items.


This is deep!!!

but what is even deeper is that this manufacturer and the doctors that prescribe this drug will swear that there is no long term affect and no potential for addiction....

Also, I believe alot has to do with the diet of the child

[GROOVE VICTIM]

I agree with you when it comes to diet.

For some strange reason, my son loves to drink water. Not Milk, not Cool aid, but water. He doesn't eat alot of meat. On the weekends I'll cook him this rice dish with mixed vegetables and he destroys the entire pot.

The food that they serve the children within the school system I work for is outrageous. Loads of Carbs, and sugar, no I mean SUGAR. Makes my teeth cringe!!

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I agree with you when it comes to diet.

For some strange reason, my son loves to drink water. Not Milk, not Cool aid, but water. He doesn't eat alot of meat. On the weekends I'll cook him this rice dish with mixed vegetables and he destroys the entire pot.

The food that they serve the children within the school system I work for is outrageous. Loads of Carbs, and sugar, no I mean SUGAR. Makes my teeth cringe!!

un huh...and they wander why kids can't sit still...

but they have cut so many programs in the school system that was viable to the molding of our character...

some schools don't have sports
gym
art
music

how can you not have these programs in place to have a well rounded child...

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:

I wouldn't put everything on parenting...

but I was there to protect him and unfortunately there are far too many children who's parents just don't care...

you're last statement is why I put it on parents as well......it is a vicious cycle...the drug company create a disease state, then create a need, then sell the doctors, the doctors buy nto it, but then this is where it gets crazy, the drug company then sells entire school system on that same need, then the school system sells it to overworked teachers that there is a way to control misbehaving children, who then tuurn around and sell the parents the bullshit....in some states, the parents are locked up if they don't go along with the program, but ultimately the buck still stops at their front door.

....Wow!, what an advance nation we are.

[jimmymack-2000]

Not to mention, you go to a lot of houses nowadays and the boob tube is always on -- like ambient noise. Little Johnny's trying to do his homework, finish a puzzle, color a picture, etc. and his attention is constantly being vyed for.

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by AshakiMzuri:

I wouldn't put everything on parenting...

but I was there to protect him and unfortunately there are far too many children who's parents just don't care...

you're last statement is why I put it on parents as well......it is a vicious cycle...the drug company create a disease state, then create a need, then sell the doctors, the doctors buy nto it, but then this is where it gets crazy, the drug company then sells entire school system on that same need, then the school system sells it to overworked teachers that there is a way to control misbehaving children, who then tuurn around and sell the parents the bullshit....in some states, the parents are locked up if they don't go along with the program, but ultimately the buck still stops at their front door.

....Wow!, what an advance nation we are. </font>[/QUOTE]agree...

[der geile hund]

Originally posted by liL Ray:
Add is a myth of a disease state that was created by the pharmaceutical industry

You're just grumpy because your male menopause is starting to kick in.

[liL Ray]

Originally posted by der geile hund:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by liL Ray:
Add is a myth of a disease state that was created by the pharmaceutical industry

You're just grumpy because your male menopause is starting to kick in. </font>[/QUOTE]great example of a created disease state....we may laugh at it today and taking the little white pill for the "male menopause" disease tomorrow.

We have to pay attention to the game....

[Dolemite73]

My son has ADHD. And no it aint about discipline, misdiagnosis or all that. He has serious problem focusing. And that is caused by ADHD. Me and his mother have known since he was 2 years old that he had it. It was not officially diagnosed until he was in kindergarten. Before he got his medicine, he could not function in a structured school enviroment. No amount of "discipline" could get him to focus at the tasks he was handed in school. One he was diagnosed and PROPER medication was given, he did fine. He is 11 years old now and he still needs it to focus in school. ADHD is a real disorder. Trust me.

[Wild i]

My youngest was diagnosed with ADHD at around 2 or 4 years old. Two things saved him from the gov't sanctioned drug lords: 1) his mother was panic-stricken about narcotics and b) the boy was allergic to everything.

This is where I believe a lot of the problems with ADHD kids resides. My son is alleric to corn and tomatoes. Try eating anything today without either corn or tomatoes in it. Tomatoes just worked on his digestive system, but you could see the change come over him when he ate corn. He started bouncing off the walls.

My advice is, if you have a child diagnosed with ADHD, get him or her to a reputable allergist ASAP. You'd be amazed what a change in diet can do for a child.

[Koffy Brown]

So how is your son doing now Wild?

[julian_kelly]

Groove..have you heard of Jawanzaa Kunjufu?
If not, check out his books "Countering the Conspiracy to Destroy Black Boys Vol. 1-3". His books talk alot about what Ashaki mentioned.

julian kelly

Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I've read articles, watched documentaries and discussed the issue of Attention Deficit Disorder with fellow co-workers and one thing the one common denominator that always appears is "Discipline".

What are your views of this disorder? To tell you the truth, I personally believe that this is an excuse for parents not disciplining their children at an early age, but something in the back of my mind tells me that there could be some environmental issues that may have an affect on our children's upbringing.

Young children are active and hyper by nature. They're full of energy as it aids in their physical development. It's no different than watching Animal Planet and watching a few lion cubs go at it on the plains of Africa.

So what do you think?

Peace

[Koffy Brown]

Originally posted by julian_kelly:
Groove..have you heard of Jawanzaa Kunjufu?
If not, check out his books "Countering the Conspiracy to Destroy Black Boys Vol. 1-3". His books talk alot about what Ashaki mentioned.

julian kelly


</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GROOVE VICTIM:
I've read articles, watched documentaries and discussed the issue of Attention Deficit Disorder with fellow co-workers and one thing the one common denominator that always appears is "Discipline".

What are your views of this disorder? To tell you the truth, I personally believe that this is an excuse for parents not disciplining their children at an early age, but something in the back of my mind tells me that there could be some environmental issues that may have an affect on our children's upbringing.

Young children are active and hyper by nature. They're full of energy as it aids in their physical development. It's no different than watching Animal Planet and watching a few lion cubs go at it on the plains of Africa.

So what do you think?

Peace

</font>[/QUOTE]Excellent reference material....

[Dolemite73]

Originally posted by Wild i:
My youngest was diagnosed with ADHD at around 2 or 4 years old. Two things saved him from the gov't sanctioned drug lords: 1) his mother was panic-stricken about narcotics and b) the boy was allergic to everything.

This is where I believe a lot of the problems with ADHD kids resides. My son is alleric to corn and tomatoes. Try eating anything today without either corn or tomatoes in it. Tomatoes just worked on his digestive system, but you could see the change come over him when he ate corn. He started bouncing off the walls.

My advice is, if you have a child diagnosed with ADHD, get him or her to a reputable allergist ASAP. You'd be amazed what a change in diet can do for a child.

We have done the allergy thing. He is not allowed candy, soda or junk like that. He is a lot better now in his pre-teen years than he was when he was younger but even still, he needs his mediciene to succeed. And there is no myth about that.

[GROOVE VICTIM]

Originally posted by julian_kelly:
Groove..have you heard of Jawanzaa Kunjufu?
If not, check out his books "Countering the Conspiracy to Destroy Black Boys Vol. 1-3". His books talk alot about what Ashaki mentioned.

julian kelly

I'll definately take a look a these books. Being a parent is new ground for me and I don't want to believe all the hype. If our parents did not have to put up with this when we were growing up, why should this generation have to?


Peace