The Bible and anti Gay sentiments ?

[Martin Red]

"WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY"

http://www.sbministries.org/thebible.html

And then on this link: - Stephen Bennett goes onto say that he used to be gay (?)

http://www.sbministries.org/hope.html

"He goes onto say:- "As a man who lived as a homosexual until I was 28 years old, I know what it's like being 'gay.' I know the fun, the excitement, the thrills - yet I know the sadness, the loneliness, the guilt and the pain. I know what its like to want to be loved - to want to be held at night - not to be alone. I know what it's like to try and hide your feelings, so others who are heterosexual - family, friends and society - won't find out you are gay.

I've been there, and done that. 11 years actively in the lifestyle, well with over 100 men - many dear friends and loved ones who are dead today from AIDS. At the very end, I was even in a long term, committed relationship - in love with another man - a wonderful human being, who was going to be my partner for life. But something miraculously and unbelievably happened - I changed - completely."

Just making people aware of this.

[bitonti]

the bible also says we should kill people who work on the sabbath. what a timely document.

[formerly known as kenspank]

lots people engaged in different forms of sexual activity before the old testament laws were written. or else why would they need to be written?

i think they were trying to encourage baby making, so they (the jews) could increase their numbers and have a sizable army to defeat their foes.

if you make it sound like god said it and you'll go to hell if you don't comply, that kinda shit has a way of influencing people.

meanwhile, half of them popes and saints and shit engaged in various forms sexual activity for years then turn around and shut the door on everybody else (ie st. augustine) when they started feeling guilty.

so for years procreative sex was the rule, then virginity being next to godliness was the rule.

its all a bunch of bullshit to keep people from realizing how much personal power they have.

fuc whoever you want.

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by bitonti:
the bible also says we should kill people who work on the sabbath. what a timely document.

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Originally posted by kenspank:
lots people engaged in different forms of sexual activity before the old testament laws were written. or else why would they need to be written?

i think they were trying to encourage baby making, so they (the jews) could increase their numbers and have a sizable army to defeat their foes.

if you make it sound like god said it and you'll go to hell if you don't comply, that kinda shit has a way of influencing people.

meanwhile, half of them popes and saints and shit engaged in various forms sexual activity for years then turn around and shut the door on everybody else (ie st. augustine) when they started feeling guilty.

so for years procreative sex was the rule, then virginity being next to godliness was the rule.

its all a bunch of bullshit to keep people from realizing how much personal power they have.

Very true

Originally posted by kenspank:
fuc whoever you want.

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[djmarbll]

The Bible also said (in the New Testament) that we should pluck our eyes out if we see something offensive and cut our hands if they contribute to us doing something offensive. I wish the original manuscripts were still around then we'd get the total truth Ruth.

[O. Hackett]

There's many things that I dislike on this earth, but most of all its an ignoramous that makes his/her own conjecture a form of truth to justify his/her immoral practice!......

Ok wit ja dumb-ass comment baddy-boy, try screwn gerbels then work ya jackel ass up to doing cows and hoarses......(be sure to let em trade off on ya, for your sick pleasure)....

[ronhnyc]

Leviticus also tells us that eating shelfish is and "abomination". How many Bible-thumpers are railling against those who go to Red Lobster. This is where one finds the prohibition of pork products. It also tells men that they must not shave their heads or the top one-third corner of their beards. I won't even go into the lengthy details found in Leviticus of the appropriate ways to perform animal sacrifices, including the proper manner in which to splash the altar with the blood of said sacrificial animals. So much talk of a "gay agenda", but it is so easy to see who has an agenda and what it is by the amount of Levitical law that some people choose not to follow while insisting that others "must" follow one.

[ronhnyc]

Hk, this is not "conjecture". Please read Leviticus and make sure that you are in obeyance of all 600+ of these ancient priestly laws before you use one of them as proof of another's sin.

[O. Hackett]

U R right, it aint conjecture.....its ya own weak ass desires that's debased you to such foolishness.......and when those who preached against those who practiced such foolishness, to which many of ya perscribe...what did the people of old do to them?

Attempted to kill them because they weren't practicing or didnt want to be involved with such baseness!

Everyone sins, but dont be in denial about yo shit....and surely dont try and make it as right(its biological).....for that's two quick sins added to your account.....(IMO)

[Randall Clobby]

Originally posted by Hk:
U R right, it aint conjecture.....its ya own weak ass desires that's debased you to such foolishness.......and when those who preached against those who practiced such foolishness, to which many of ya perscribe...what did the people of old do to them?

Attempted to kill them because they weren't practicing or didnt want to be involved with such baseness!

Everyone sins, but dont be in denial about yo shit....and surely dont try and make it as right(its biological).....for that's two quick sins added to your account.....(IMO)

You're so cute when you're judgemental! [img]graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img]

[floorgasm]

aaah, leviticus. i love how people preach about the "abomination of laying with a man as one lays with a woman," then going out to touch the skin of a dead pig on superbowl sunday.

[O. Hackett]

........ha ha.......U gett'n screwed by another man doesnt hurt me in one bit Clobby, in fact its quite humours.....two confused clowns who lay in the bed with the same instruments......(which one of you chumps is pregnant...... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Positive Negative(Yin Yang), hot cold, and all the polar opposites that attract but U, and the rest of your merry goons are so much smarter than the rest of us humans, so you've found something high and righteous hunh....ooooo-k

Confusion, confusion.......Just make sure you dont come galking that baddy stuff to me my friend......

Poor hamsters.... [img]smile.gif[/img]

[JR JAM]

Originally posted by djmarbll:
The Bible also said (in the New Testament) that we should pluck our eyes out if we see something offensive and cut our hands if they contribute to us doing something offensive. I wish the original manuscripts were still around then we'd get the total truth Ruth.

The Bible also says (New Testament)....
Romans 1 24
Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their [own] hearts to sexual impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves [abandoning them to the degrading power of sin],

Romans 1 26-27
For this reason God gave them over and abandoned them to vile affections and degrading passions. For their women exchanged their natural function for an unnatural and abnormal one,
And the men also turned from natural relations with women and were set ablaze (burning out, consumed) with lust for one another--men committing shameful acts with men and suffering in their own [1] bodies and personalities the inevitable consequences and penalty of their wrong-doing and going astray, which was [their] fitting retribution.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous and the wrongdoers will not inherit or have any share in the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived (misled): neither the impure and immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor those who participate in homosexuality,

[imported_Gman]

HK,

Your first warning.

-G

Originally posted by Hk:
........ha ha.......U gett'n screwed by another man doesnt hurt me in one bit Clobby, in fact its quite humours.....two confused clowns who lay in the bed with the same instruments......(which one of you chumps is pregnant...... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Positive Negative(Yin Yang), hot cold, and all the polar opposites that attract but U, and the rest of your merry goons are so much smarter than the rest of us humans, so you've found something high and righteous hunh....ooooo-k

Confusion, confusion.......Just make sure you dont come galking that baddy stuff to me my friend......

Poor hamsters.... [img]smile.gif[/img]

[Randall Clobby]

Originally posted by Hk:
........ha ha.......U gett'n screwed by another man doesnt hurt me in one bit Clobby, in fact its quite humours.....two confused clowns who lay in the bed with the same instruments......(which one of you chumps is pregnant...... [img]smile.gif[/img]

Positive Negative(Yin Yang), hot cold, and all the polar opposites that attract but U, and the rest of your merry goons are so much smarter than the rest of us humans, so you've found something high and righteous hunh....ooooo-k

Confusion, confusion.......Just make sure you dont come galking that baddy stuff to me my friend......

Poor hamsters.... [img]smile.gif[/img]

First of all, I'm a top. I do the screwing, unless it's Robbie Williams [img]graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img] and I'm never confused in bed. I know just what to do. Especially if the instruments that I'm using comes with instructions.

Secondly, if by merry goons you mean, Alice the Goon who appears in all of those old Popeye shorts, I'm down. Alice was righteous! And bless you for realizing my higher intelligence. This makes you even cuter. [img]graemlins/1luvu.gif[/img]

Third, if by "Galking" you mean "talking?" It still befuddles me because I have no idea what you mean by, "baddy stuff." On this point, let's just agree to disagree.

Lastly, "poor hamsters?" I think not. They have a much more interesting life traversing the insides of a colon rather than a habitrail.

Happy Holidays!

[jimmymack-2000]

Sorry, I retract and apologize...

[ November 27, 2002, 02:32 PM: Message edited by: jimmymack-2000 ]

[JMNYC]

Laura Schlesinger is a US radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr.Laura penned by a US resident and also posted on the Internet:-

Dear Dr. Laura:

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

c) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

d) I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

e) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

f) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

g) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

h) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

i) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16). Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

Just making a point.

[TAD]

To JRJAM,

"if st. paul wasn’t a homosexual, he was pretty close to it. St paul hated women, never had a good thing to say about women…." (Dr. Yosef Ben Jochannan)

the word homosexual was non-existant in biblical times. you're quotes are from 20th century versions of the bible. there is no mention of the word homosexual as late as the King James version.

was paul really hating on homos or was it idolatry?

LINK 1
LINK 2
LINK 3
LINK 4

jesus never mentions homosexuality. it appears roughly 4 times in the bible.

it is also written in the good book that blacks are cursed. genesis 9:27, the curse of ham, or rather canaan because the curse somehow conveniently bypassed ham. still not clear about that one. so you must believe this right?

any true christian who follows the word of jesus has to accept all that is written in the bible to be the word of god. so, either you accept all of of it or reject all of it. which is it?

[floorgasm]

reject it all and question everything. nothing fails like prayer.

cogito ergo sum.

[princess tamtam]

hk? you seem like you have a lot pent up inside regarding this topic. again, what gives? [img]graemlins/jpshakehead.gif[/img]

[DJ Timmy Richardson]

One thing the Bible doesnt consider unholy is woman getting with woman.hmmmmmm..mustve been written by a man

[the crackhouse]

"Though there are many who differ on this subject, it is the opinion of Stephen Bennett Ministries that you don't need to be a psychologist to see the common brokeness of families and/or parental relationships in many homosexual men and women. While there are many factors we believe a person can be lead down a homosexual path including broken mother/father relationships, molestation, incest and a variety of other causes, the answer is that homosexuals can come from both broken and stable backgrounds. Our backgrounds and experiences can play a part in determining what specific kinds of temptations we face, but are not the root of sinful desires or behavior."

I never read so pitifull things in my life (it's from the first link above).

All the gay and lesbians friends I have always told me that they felt attracted by the same sex when they were very young.
A lot of them do have a normal familly, never been raped (how would you become homosexual by the want of living the same bad experience ?!! so fucking idiot !), or lived in a strange manner.

That shit is awfull. Thanks to bring the subject as never felt homosexual at all, I had a lot of time to think about my two children, two boys, andwhat if they were homosexuals, what would it change for me ?

A simple answer : homosexual are not sterile, they can have children too... So the only question I had was : will I be a grand father one day if they are gay ?

Thanks god, they are not black ! (my neighboor !) [img]graemlins/puke.gif[/img]

[the crackhouse]

What is the difference between homosexuals and heteros ?
Well, the way they have sex.

So, what is more disgusting ?
- 2 women who caresses their sex
- a man who pisses on his lady body and ejaculate over his face and insult her

Well, you can see here that it's only a matter of personnal feelings, phantasms and envy.
If some people condamn homosexuality, I condamn the people who condamn homosexuality, who's wrong ? The one who don't follow the statement of God ?

If homosexuals won't get to paradise, I hope they will find themselves together in hell and be in peace, without those annoying bastards who purchased their way of having sex on earth.

I'm disgusted by the male idea of fucking a lesbian, or the ones who get excited to see 2 lesbians having sex... It's an intention of RAPE, nothing else.
Like pedophilia, you don't go in a voluntary relation from the 2 parts. So that's rape.

And something bores me everytime I hear it, it's the idea that gays don't like women and lesbians don't like men... WHere did you get that ? Or did the heterosexuals just created that atmosphere ?

Anything to say about that ?

[Martin Red]

Originally posted by idancetoomuch:

I'm disgusted by the male idea of fucking a lesbian, or the ones who get excited to see 2 lesbians having sex... It's an intention of RAPE, nothing else.

That's kinda confusing.

"I'm disgusted by the male idea of fucking a lesbian"
What about female idea, is that not OK also.

Males adore the idea of two women because he judges that as twice the fun, i wouldn't say it's an intention of rape, I mean two girls going at it in front of you is hardly gonna be construed as an intention to rape now is it. It's a popular because it is less likeley to happen than 1 on 1 sex perhaps.

[the crackhouse]

Martin, you're absolutly right on this, the 2 girls thing is a phantasm of trio, in the idea that the 2 girls are bisexual.

But wanting to fuck a lesbian is automatically a rape.
Reverse : an heterolady wanting to fuck a gay !