Reason doesn't sound nice

[Digiman]

I don't know if it's me but I just think that Reason doesn't sound very nice. To me it sounds brittle and nasty. I was comparing the sound of the synth to my Prophet T8 the other day and there really is no comparison. I like it for some things but I would never make a whole track on it.

[DJ Keith Porter]

Yeah I hear you Digiman.
The sounds are a little harsh but the thing about reason sounds is that you have to hook up the effect(s), Reverb, delay, Chorus etc. to tweak each sound to your liking.

I found that you have to do this in order to get a more friendly sound other of each instrument.

I don't know what version you are working with but the version 2.5 has some advanced effect modules that really do wonders for the reasons sounds.

I also have to use the rewire function after a get to a certain point with my track in reason because the disadvantage about reason is that it doesn't support VST/Native instrument plug -ins, which will allow you to feel more comfortable about making an entire track with just reason. I hope that the next version it will allow the use of plug-ins. This is the point where Parpellahead limits its product.

Lastly, with reason it’s harder to import any vocals. Its not as easy as Sonar or Acid Pro, digital performer because you have to chop up the verse and chorus (using an editing program) to get the vocals to play on beat using the sampler(s). It’s a little more work but it’s still obtainable.

This is just my experience with using this program. I love and hate at the same time. [img]graemlins/cool_shades.gif[/img]

[ February 17, 2004, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: DJ Keith Porter ]

[Digiman]

Originally posted by DJ Keith Porter:
Yeah I hear you Digiman.
The sounds are a little harsh but the thing about reason sounds is that you have to hook up the effect(s), Reverb, delay, Chorus etc. to tweak each sound to your liking.

I found that you have to do this in order to get a more friendly sound other of each instrument.

I don't know what version you are working with but the version 2.5 has some advanced effect modules that really do wonders for the reasons sounds.

I also have to use the rewire function after a get to a certain point with my track in reason because the disadvantage about reason is that it doesn't support VST/Native instrument plug -ins, which will allow you to feel more comfortable about making an entire track with just reason. I hope that the next version it will allow the use of plug-ins. This is the point where Parpellahead limits its product.

Lastly, with reason it’s harder to import any vocals. Its not as easy as Sonar or Acid Pro, digital performer because you have to chop up the verse and chorus (using an editing program) to get the vocals to play on beat using the sampler(s). It’s a little more work but it’s still obtainable.

This is just my experience with using this program. I love and hate at the same time. [img]graemlins/cool_shades.gif[/img]

Hi Keith, I'll need to get 2.5 although I'd never do vocals in reason - too evil! I use Pro-Tools for vox. I usually export my reason parts into Pro-Tools and work on them in there to make them sound nice. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[DJ Keith Porter]

Originally posted by Digiman:

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Originally posted by DJ Keith Porter:
Yeah I hear you Digiman.
The sounds are a little harsh but the thing about reason sounds is that you have to hook up the effect(s), Reverb, delay, Chorus etc. to tweak each sound to your liking.

I found that you have to do this in order to get a more friendly sound other of each instrument.

I don't know what version you are working with but the version 2.5 has some advanced effect modules that really do wonders for the reasons sounds.

I also have to use the rewire function after a get to a certain point with my track in reason because the disadvantage about reason is that it doesn't support VST/Native instrument plug -ins, which will allow you to feel more comfortable about making an entire track with just reason. I hope that the next version it will allow the use of plug-ins. This is the point where Parpellahead limits its product.

Lastly, with reason it’s harder to import any vocals. Its not as easy as Sonar or Acid Pro, digital performer because you have to chop up the verse and chorus (using an editing program) to get the vocals to play on beat using the sampler(s). It’s a little more work but it’s still obtainable.

This is just my experience with using this program. I love and hate at the same time. [img]graemlins/cool_shades.gif[/img]

Hi Keith, I'll need to get 2.5 although I'd never do vocals in reason - too evil! I use Pro-Tools for vox. I usually export my reason parts into Pro-Tools and work on them in there to make them sound nice. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]True true.
I use Sonar or Acid to do my vocals but I use Reason to triger my vocal hooks and samples, which I am in the rewire mode.

Before I had the other programs I use to do the evil vocal job in reason.. I may have taking extra steps but it worked!

Yeah Reason 2.5 is tight. I just took this plain piano key sound a made it sound different with using the the new effects processors.
Sounds dope.

You gotta work the reason program. Even when I was on 1.0 and 2.0 I still found that I needed to use the processors to make the sound more friendly.

What I did when I got 2.0 is I wired up a reason rack from scratch with all my processors connected to each mixer. use a mixer for each instrument ex.
all my syth have there own mixer
my drum machine has its own mixer
All my Dr.Rex has its own mixer
all my samplers have there own mixer
and then I have a main mixer that controls all 4 mixers for percise equalizing!

I took this rack and saved it as my defult rack in the program. So every time I open reason I have a custom rack that opens automatically.

Good luck with reason and keep me posted on your production! I look forward to exchanging material and ideas. [img]graemlins/respekt.gif[/img]

[O'love]

yups, you got to learn to "work" reason..just like you learn to work f.e. a minimoog, to get it to sit nicely in a mix without overruling all the other sounds... reason can have a certain sound to it, mainly because of the factory preset sounds and effect settings..in reason 2.5 this is already much better with the new effect modules...try layering etc...if you still don't like the sound rewire it into a DAW and use the effects of the DAW on your rewired sound-channels..

Olaf

[DJ Keith Porter]

Originally posted by O'love:
yups, you got to learn to "work" reason..just like you learn to work f.e. a minimoog, to get it to sit nicely in a mix without overruling all the other sounds... reason can have a certain sound to it, mainly because of the factory preset sounds and effect settings..in reason 2.5 this is already much better with the new effect modules...try layering etc...if you still don't like the sound rewire it into a DAW and use the effects of the DAW on your rewired sound-channels..

Olaf

Yeah O'love.
Layering is a nice trick as well. I just did some layering last night on the particular sound afrter using the effect module for that friendly feeling..

It is so true you have to work reson. All them sounds and turn out to be a sound within sounds..If you know what I mean.
Glad to know that people are using the same tools I am..

I will put you down on my reasons list. ;)

Not to break up this thread but what other music pograms do you use O'love?

[img]graemlins/acclaim.gif[/img]

[O'love]

mainly nuendo with some plugins...but i am not rewiring that often...most of the time i either work in reason or in nuendo.....

Olaf

[Nege]

The best way to get a warm sound out of reason is to run your final mixdown into an analogue board.
works for me.
I hated the sound before and realized that recording straight from the computer was a bad idea.
As for vocals,anything that works with rewire is great for recording vocals and running reason at the same time(Cubase,protools,Logic).
for importing audio files or vocals into reason for remixing or doing a final mixdown,
you can use Recycle to change your vocals or audio files into REX files.
this way works if you don't have other programs to use with Reason via Rewire .

[Digiman]

I'm of the opinion that no matter how much you mess about with reason, if the actual source of the sound is britlle and nasty, it won't make a huge amount of difference. Give me a nice analogue synth like a moog or a sequential circuits any day. [img]smile.gif[/img]

[DJ Keith Porter]

Originally posted by Nege:
The best way to get a warm sound out of reason is to run your final mixdown into an analogue board.
works for me.
I hated the sound before and realized that recording straight from the computer was a bad idea.
As for vocals,anything that works with rewire is great for recording vocals and running reason at the same time(Cubase,protools,Logic).
for importing audio files or vocals into reason for remixing or doing a final mixdown,
you can use Recycle to change your vocals or audio files into REX files.
this way works if you don't have other programs to use with Reason via Rewire .

Yes Nerge I do run my vocals with rewire programs. Thats the best. I was just airing out that it is possible to upload vocals into reason.

For sure using Recycle to convert to rex file is hot and I use this method to play sample riffs of my vocals into reason. I do this so I can have full flexability with the key strokes.

It's practical to use some rewire program to upload the vocals. I use sonar 2.0 and I am looking to get sonar 3.0 soon.

I guess we all are giving each other different methods on how we work our production.

I appreciate it all.

Now I know who to ask certain questions about software and production techniques.

Kudos to you all! [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ February 19, 2004, 11:35 AM: Message edited by: DJ Keith Porter ]

[Nege]

Question,
Is Sonar 3.0 a Rewire audio program?
and if it is,
does it have recording capabilties?

[Nege]

Originally posted by Digiman:
I'm of the opinion that no matter how much you mess about with reason, if the actual source of the sound is britlle and nasty, it won't make a huge amount of difference. Give me a nice analogue synth like a moog or a sequential circuits any day. [img]smile.gif[/img]

I used to believe that until I finally changed over to using virtual instruments last year
(had no choice cuz I have no room at my space for modules and keyboards anymore)
as long as you have some good analogue gear(mixer or sound processors and I don't mean software...),you'll find a way to get the sound you want.

[ February 20, 2004, 02:32 AM: Message edited by: Nege ]

[altrrdst8]

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