Why Kerry is a BAD choice for Amerika...

[smithies]

Read about Kerry's involvement in the Iran Contra affair to remove criminality form the [Republican] Regan White House:

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/ootar46.html

Senator Cash and Carry
In the spring of 1991, just as we were verifying the bribery list, Senators Tower and Heinz were both assassinated, a few days apart. Both, in separate sabotaged plane crashes. By October, 1991, our exclusive story about the bribery li st ran in a populist newspaper, "Spotlight" (later defunct after publishing continuously for 25 years). They had from us the bribery list and ran the complete story, but at the last minute, deleted the list from my story.

So, thereafter Senator "Cash & Carry"---Senator John Kerry (D., Mass.)---married the Heinz widow, heiress to the Ketchup fortune. And now the Senator is apparently going to run for U.S. President against his secret pal, George W. B ush. Both are members of the super-secret satanic worshipping cult, the Skull & Bastards Society.

Kerry is an expert on dope from Southeast Asia, from what is known as "The Golden Triangle". He is in a position to know that a Burmese General, in a videotaped confession and statement, stated tthat the dope cartel is headed by George Herbert Walker Bush, General Colin Powell, and Powell's sidekick, the infamous scoundrel Richard Armitage.

General Powell, by blackmailing others and corrupt means, escaped being prosecuted for his complicity in the My Lai scandal, where hundreds of Vietnamese women and children were murdered. Senator Kerry and Powell are in a position to k now that Madame Ngu, widow of the assassinated head of the Saigon government, with Daddy Bush, Powell, and Armitage, jointly headed up "The Golden Triangle" dope cartel and financed thereby the murder of President Kennedy. [See the details in my website story "The Overthrow of the American Republic", Part 42, "The Public Execution of John F. Kennedy".]

Why do Senator "Cash & Carry" and his pal, George W. Bush, assume that some of us common Americans are asleep, and do not know what is really happening? When Daddy Bush ran against his CIA buddy Bill Clinton, in 1992, it was just s hadow-boxing and a fraud upon the American common people. And now Dubya and Senator "Cash & Carry" are going to do a similar number on us?

How long before he is deemed useless and all of this rises to the surface and him only to be replaced by a different puppet?

VOTE ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN!

P.S. Also remember that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and most people of the Bush administration were part of the Regan White House. Kerry helped them out? Expect more of the same crap

[JMNYC]

Great - why not just vote for Bush? In this election, there are only two viable candidates. IF there was a VIABLE candidate from another party, I would probably support them - but there's not. I don't believe in the two party system - and apparently neither do you - but why then do you believe they care if someone else gets 10 or 20 thousand votes?

Any vote not against Bush is a vote for him.

[DOTSmusic]

Originally posted by smithies:
Read about Kerry's involvement in the Iran Contra affair to remove criminality form the [Republican] Regan White House:

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/ootar46.html
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Senator Cash and Carry
In the spring of 1991, just as we were verifying the bribery list, Senators Tower and Heinz were both assassinated, a few days apart. Both, in separate sabotaged plane crashes. By October, 1991, our exclusive story about the bribery li st ran in a populist newspaper, "Spotlight" (later defunct after publishing continuously for 25 years). They had from us the bribery list and ran the complete story, but at the last minute, deleted the list from my story.

So, thereafter Senator "Cash & Carry"---Senator John Kerry (D., Mass.)---married the Heinz widow, heiress to the Ketchup fortune. And now the Senator is apparently going to run for U.S. President against his secret pal, George W. B ush. Both are members of the super-secret satanic worshipping cult, the Skull & Bastards Society.

Kerry is an expert on dope from Southeast Asia, from what is known as "The Golden Triangle". He is in a position to know that a Burmese General, in a videotaped confession and statement, stated tthat the dope cartel is headed by George Herbert Walker Bush, General Colin Powell, and Powell's sidekick, the infamous scoundrel Richard Armitage.

General Powell, by blackmailing others and corrupt means, escaped being prosecuted for his complicity in the My Lai scandal, where hundreds of Vietnamese women and children were murdered. Senator Kerry and Powell are in a position to k now that Madame Ngu, widow of the assassinated head of the Saigon government, with Daddy Bush, Powell, and Armitage, jointly headed up "The Golden Triangle" dope cartel and financed thereby the murder of President Kennedy. [See the details in my website story "The Overthrow of the American Republic", Part 42, "The Public Execution of John F. Kennedy".]

Why do Senator "Cash & Carry" and his pal, George W. Bush, assume that some of us common Americans are asleep, and do not know what is really happening? When Daddy Bush ran against his CIA buddy Bill Clinton, in 1992, it was just s hadow-boxing and a fraud upon the American common people. And now Dubya and Senator "Cash & Carry" are going to do a similar number on us?

How long before he is deemed useless and all of this rises to the surface and him only to be replaced by a different puppet?

VOTE ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN!

P.S. Also remember that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and most people of the Bush administration were part of the Regan White House. Kerry helped them out? Expect more of the same crap </font>[/QUOTE]here we go again.
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actually lemme just refer backto this
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ult...;f=19;t=020003 and save ya'll some time.

[DOTSmusic]

fuckin' yippies [img]graemlins/stupid.gif[/img]

[smithies]

Hey, Kerry won't change a thing. It doesn't matter who's in the White House. It's a distraction, theater, an illusion. The trend is to keep us in servitude of the United States via a regressive tax rate. Depopulation and martial rule. Who's pulling the strings? That is the enemy. Do you honestly believe that Kerry would stop the war? How many times did he say "Kill" in the "debates?"

Originally posted by JMNYC:
Great - why not just vote for Bush? In this election, there are only two viable candidates. IF there was a VIABLE candidate from another party, I would probably support them - but there's not. I don't believe in the two party system - and apparently neither do you - but why then do you believe they care if someone else gets 10 or 20 thousand votes?

Any vote not against Bush is a vote for him.

[smithies]

Originally posted by aKiLa:
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actually lemme just refer backto this
http://deephousepage.com/cgi-bin/ult...;f=19;t=020003 and save ya'll some time.

Shuddup and stay outta this thread if you can't take it... [img]graemlins/pimpslap.gif[/img]

[JMNYC]

Originally posted by smithies:
Hey, Kerry won't change a thing. It doesn't matter who's in the White House. It's a distraction, theater, an illusion. The trend is to keep us in servitude of the United States via a regressive tax rate. Depopulation and martial rule. Who's pulling the strings? That is the enemy. Do you honestly believe that Kerry would stop the war? How many times did he say "Kill" in the "debates?"

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by JMNYC:
Great - why not just vote for Bush? In this election, there are only two viable candidates. IF there was a VIABLE candidate from another party, I would probably support them - but there's not. I don't believe in the two party system - and apparently neither do you - but why then do you believe they care if someone else gets 10 or 20 thousand votes?

Any vote not against Bush is a vote for him.

</font>[/QUOTE]This is a battle of optimism vs. pessimism.

I am a socialist. I see through the lies and I understand the undercurrents. I've been involved in politics since I was literally a little kid.

I am no fan of Kerry's, but anybody with adequate cognitive skills can see that there are very serious ideological differences between the two camps. I'd rather that humankind survive the next four years, quite frankly. Inasmuch as the Bush camp clearly believes that the end of the world is upon us and that it's their job to expedite that process and profit as much in the process as possible, I again urge you to reconsider your position.

As to what judges get appointed to the Supreme Court, who next in the "Axis of Evil" we attack unprovoked, what civil and human rights we are stripped of, the fiscal condition of our country, and most importantly, our ability to be part of a larger, world community, Kerry wins hands down.

[smithies]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
Kerry wins hands down.

He needs to create opposing rhetoric in order to keep us divide and to draw attention away from the agenda at hand. That being American Imperialism at any cost. Did Imperialism end with Carter? Did it end with Clinton or any other Democratic (opposing voices to right wingers) President? What if another "attack" happens here on the "homeland?" Kerry has indicated he will kill, KILL the perpetrators no matter where they are! Those were his exact words.

I'm not condoning keeping Bush in office. I'm just trying to point out how hopeless this situation is. A vote for Kerry or Bush is a vote for the same condition that ails us. Will we have a better spokesman if Kerry come to the White House, well YES! Bush is an idiot. But Kerry is more subtle in his idiocy because he's part of the establishment and a traitor to the American people.

[ October 15, 2004, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: smithies ]

[JMNYC]

Smithies, I agree that we are an imperialist nation - but guess what? That goes back to Christopher Columbus. It ain't gonna change with an election or two. I wish it could - but it can't without a complete revolution. In the meantime, I'd much rather someone be in office who can't be bought by special interests, who has a record of public service, who has seen front-line action and understands the serious nature of war, and who is progressive in his politics - i.e., a woman's right to choose, human and civil rights, fair pay, immigration, and matters at home - as opposed to someone who is a puppet for special interests (i.e., Halliburton, the Saudis and Bush's other energy pals who've all taken this country to the bank).

It's okay for you to change your mind once you realize that there are in fact, notable differences between the ideologies of the two candidates. If nothing else, let's think of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE and how that is the single biggest advantage our "democracy" has over other governments - and let's look at how much that has suffered under Bush.

[ October 15, 2004, 08:16 PM: Message edited by: JMNYC ]

[smithies]

Wow! I've heard that Kerry was related to European royal bloodlines but new research shows that he is the one, out of all other presidents, to have the most royal blood.

How blatant is this story that shows that the common man will never aspire to be president of the United States? It's like the establishment rubbing it in our faces or prepping us to accept as a norm those of noble origin as our leaders!

Time to wake up!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5723115/

[smithies]

Originally posted by JMNYC:
I wish it could - but it can't without a complete revolution.

Be it with ballots or bullets, a change is going to come weather we like it or not. America has embarked on a suicide mission that will end in her destruction. But unless a real revolution is carried out, the wheels to the final conflicts are already in motion. The global wars are said to commence between 2007 and 2012. Kerry will buy us a bit more time, but not that much.

Read here for some startling predictions:
http://vaticanassassins.org/

Read the entire site.

[JMNYC]

[quote]Originally posted by smithies:

Originally posted by JMNYC:
[qb]Kerry will buy us a bit more time, but not that much.

Sometimes a bit more time is all that's necessary. It depends on what positive forces are at work as well.

[ronhnyc]

Smithies,

You need to start questioning your sources. Skolnick is a laughable renowned conspiracy-theorist crackpot who is almost entirely self-published because he has never been able to get anyone to publish his ridiculous rants other than the now-defunct Spotlight. I'm not at all surprised that his articles would have been published by that rag, the conservative thinktank supported mouthpiece for Willis A. Carto; a fraud, embezzler, tax dodge, money launderer, forgerer of corporate documents, extreme right-wing historic revisionist and Holocaust denialist.

[smithies]

Originally posted by ronhnyc:
Smithies,

You need to start questioning your sources.

Look for yourself.

[ October 15, 2004, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: smithies ]

[jimmymack-2000]

Put down "The Turner Diaries", Smithies...

[older&wiser]

Originally posted by smithies:
Read about Kerry's involvement in the Iran Contra affair to remove criminality form the [Republican] Regan White House:

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/ootar46.html
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Senator Cash and Carry
In the spring of 1991, just as we were verifying the bribery list, Senators Tower and Heinz were both assassinated, a few days apart. Both, in separate sabotaged plane crashes. By October, 1991, our exclusive story about the bribery li st ran in a populist newspaper, "Spotlight" (later defunct after publishing continuously for 25 years). They had from us the bribery list and ran the complete story, but at the last minute, deleted the list from my story.

So, thereafter Senator "Cash & Carry"---Senator John Kerry (D., Mass.)---married the Heinz widow, heiress to the Ketchup fortune. And now the Senator is apparently going to run for U.S. President against his secret pal, George W. B ush. Both are members of the super-secret satanic worshipping cult, the Skull & Bastards Society.

Kerry is an expert on dope from Southeast Asia, from what is known as "The Golden Triangle". He is in a position to know that a Burmese General, in a videotaped confession and statement, stated tthat the dope cartel is headed by George Herbert Walker Bush, General Colin Powell, and Powell's sidekick, the infamous scoundrel Richard Armitage.

General Powell, by blackmailing others and corrupt means, escaped being prosecuted for his complicity in the My Lai scandal, where hundreds of Vietnamese women and children were murdered. Senator Kerry and Powell are in a position to k now that Madame Ngu, widow of the assassinated head of the Saigon government, with Daddy Bush, Powell, and Armitage, jointly headed up "The Golden Triangle" dope cartel and financed thereby the murder of President Kennedy. [See the details in my website story "The Overthrow of the American Republic", Part 42, "The Public Execution of John F. Kennedy".]

Why do Senator "Cash & Carry" and his pal, George W. Bush, assume that some of us common Americans are asleep, and do not know what is really happening? When Daddy Bush ran against his CIA buddy Bill Clinton, in 1992, it was just s hadow-boxing and a fraud upon the American common people. And now Dubya and Senator "Cash & Carry" are going to do a similar number on us?

How long before he is deemed useless and all of this rises to the surface and him only to be replaced by a different puppet?

VOTE ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN!

P.S. Also remember that Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and most people of the Bush administration were part of the Regan White House. Kerry helped them out? Expect more of the same crap </font>[/QUOTE]yeah , lets dig ourselves an even deeper hole . that's a smart thing to do. let Bush finish fucking up our country.


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[ronhnyc]

Smithie,

Did you actually read any of the matches from that Google search?

Match #1: An article about Iran/Contra with no mention of John Kerry with an unrelated link at the bottom of the page to an article entitled "Kerry for President" that makes no mention of Iran/Contra.

Match #2: From Al Martin, another self-published conspiracy theorist about whom conspiracy theory mega-site questionsquestions.org cautions "has been known to play fast-and-loose at times or make unsubstantiated claims." This site tries to pass Martin's article of as a "newswire article" which it states at the top of the page. Actually it is from Martin's own website.

Match #3: An article explaining why Black voters should demand from Kerry some sort of comment on the removal of Aristide from power. Iran/Contra is mentioned in reference to the connection between U.S. covert activities under Reagan and Bush41 and drug trade in the Carribean Basin. Nowhere in this article does the writer connect or even hint at a connection between Kerry and a coverup of Iran/Contra or the Reagan-era operatives acting in the present administration that the writer blames for recent American policy towards Aristide.

Match #4: Conspiracy Planet--A review of site advertiser Al Martin's book. Conspiracy Planet Links to any conspiracy theory including those claiming that Elvis is not dead and that Dodi Fayed never existed.

Match #5: Claims in it's first sentence that Kerry is actually a Jew. It goes on to label anti-Vietnam activists as "communists" and "anti-U.S.A.".

Match #6: Non-working link

Match #7: An anti-Kerry site where anonymous posters rant about Kerry. This match is due to one such ranter that denies the existence of Iran/Contra and blames Kerry for "creating" the Iran/Contra scandal.

Match #8: A forum discussion on Kerry's role in the investigation of Iran/Contra with a very obvious pro-Kerry leaning.

Match #9: An interesting article published in Tucson Weekly in the mid-90's from which I will now quote:

By far the most aggressive of the three congressional committees was John Kerry's Subcommittee on Narcotics, Terrorism and International Operations. His aggressiveness paid off, as Kerry was finding significant evidence of contra-connected drug smuggling.

Match #10: Another review of Martin's book by a fellow conspiracy theorist. The only mention of Kerry is as head of a Congressional commitee before which Martin testified. No connection is made here between Kerry and any Iran/Contra coverup.

That you found matches on a Google search for "kerry covered up iran contra" proves nothing if you give no thought to the content of those matches.

[Ish]

Originally posted by ronhnyc:
Smithie,

Did you actually read any of the matches from that Google search?

Match #1: An article about Iran/Contra with no mention of John Kerry with an unrelated link at the bottom of the page to an article entitled "Kerry for President" that makes no mention of Iran/Contra.

Match #2: From Al Martin, another self-published conspiracy theorist about whom conspiracy theory mega-site questionsquestions.org cautions "has been known to play fast-and-loose at times or make unsubstantiated claims." This site tries to pass Martin's article of as a "newswire article" which it states at the top of the page. Actually it is from Martin's own website.

Match #3: An article explaining why Black voters should demand from Kerry some sort of comment on the removal of Aristide from power. Iran/Contra is mentioned in reference to the connection between U.S. covert activities under Reagan and Bush41 and drug trade in the Carribean Basin. Nowhere in this article does the writer connect or even hint at a connection between Kerry and a coverup of Iran/Contra or the Reagan-era operatives acting in the present administration that the writer blames for recent American policy towards Aristide.

Match #4: Conspiracy Planet--A review of site advertiser Al Martin's book. Conspiracy Planet Links to any conspiracy theory including those claiming that Elvis is not dead and that Dodi Fayed never existed.

Match #5: Claims in it's first sentence that Kerry is actually a Jew. It goes on to label anti-Vietnam activists as "communists" and "anti-U.S.A.".

Match #6: Non-working link

Match #7: An anti-Kerry site where anonymous posters rant about Kerry. This match is due to one such ranter that denies the existence of Iran/Contra and blames Kerry for "creating" the Iran/Contra scandal.

Match #8: A forum discussion on Kerry's role in the investigation of Iran/Contra with a very obvious pro-Kerry leaning.

Match #9: An interesting article published in Tucson Weekly in the mid-90's from which I will now quote:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> By far the most aggressive of the three congressional committees was John Kerry's Subcommittee on Narcotics, Terrorism and International Operations. His aggressiveness paid off, as Kerry was finding significant evidence of contra-connected drug smuggling.

Match #10: Another review of Martin's book by a fellow conspiracy theorist. The only mention of Kerry is as head of a Congressional commitee before which Martin testified. No connection is made here between Kerry and any Iran/Contra coverup.

That you found matches on a Google search for "kerry covered up iran contra" proves nothing if you give no thought to the content of those matches. </font>[/QUOTE]I am not one to fan flames or ride waves but I am roasting marshmellows and surfing right now. Good looking out Ron~~~

[smithies]

Question. Out of Kerry's "investigations" what major political figures were indicted and incarcerated as a result of Iran Contra or BCCI?

That google search has over 5,820 hits. I pointed you to an article that was quickly dismissed a "conspiracy theory." There are others with differing authors that come to the same conclusions on Iran-Contra/BCCI.

Now, do google searches on those and see if Prosecutor Kerry actually put people in jail because of the crimes contained in these scandals. Was his labor fruitful or did he just expose what he wanted to be exposed then quickly dissolved the commissions?

Don't take my word for it. Dig it up from the memory hole.

[ October 16, 2004, 01:18 AM: Message edited by: smithies ]

[smithies]

Kerry cover-up links:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RA...E/KERRY.html#I
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...ter_block.html
http://www.expertwitnessradio.org/essays/e1.htm
http://www.guerrillanews.com/forum/s...sb=5&o=0&part=

There's so much more. This was such a big story and could have really exposed some of the key players (or their puppets i.e. Reagan) of the establishment, heck maybe even bought the establishment down, but Mr. Kerry did a good job in cleaning up this whole dirty affair and it amounted to nothing. Same as his presidency will amount to. He'll be the clean up man for Bu$h.

[ October 16, 2004, 01:30 AM: Message edited by: smithies ]

[ronhnyc]

Originally posted by smithies:
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/200...ter_block.html

Your reference to this article reinforces quite well my points about you not reading the articles nor questioning your sources. The article, in its one paragraph on Kerry, argues that he did a good job in his investigation; instead pointing the finger at Porter Goss, who had made the claim that "Senator John Kerry, in the mid-'80s, when this was very topical, conducted quite an expensive investigation and came up with absolutely no evidence." The article goes on to claim that it was Goss who was responsible for the cover-up. While I would use this article that you have brought to my attention as further proof of your shoddy research, I would not use it to argue in Kerry's favor because, unlike you, I question my sources. This article appears in the web version of Executive Intelligence Review which you would know, if you looked into things a little more deeply, was founded and and is edited by Lyndon LaRouche. Were you not at all bothered by the fact that LaRouche's name appears five times in the first four paragraphs? Again I suggest that you question your sources before basing your arguments on their claims rather than blindly accepting anything that dovetails with your own viewpoint. It can only strengthen your argument.

[urban electrik]

smithies...you only have 1/5 of the story if you knew the whole story you would see the beauty in the shift...

[DOTSmusic]

[MEP]

Originally posted by smithies:
Both are members of the super-secret satanic worshipping cult, the Skull & Bastards Society.

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Now I know this is definitely a joke!!!!

A. It's called "Skull and Bones Society" not
"Skull and Bastards"

B. Skull and Bones is not a satanic
worshiping cult! LOL! The secrecy is
simply in the fact that it is a
"secret society". Back in the day they
basically drank and played chess; now
they drink and play video games! LOL!

[Cookiehead Jenkins]

Originally posted by smithies:

VOTE ANYTHING BUT DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN!

But if I do this George Bush or John Kerry will win.