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    Who believes that the Americans themselves actually carried out the beheading of Nicholas Berg to take heat off themselves by making the Iraqi's the more barbaric??

    A few people I've talked to think this. Are'nt conspiracy theories great. With absolutely no evidence whatsoever we can level all sorts of allegations at Governments.

    Mind you a few loose ends remain. His family claim he was in US custody in Iraq, yet the Gov't claim he never was.

    As a disclaimer- I have no opinion on this terrible business other than going into Iraq under false pretences was wrong and the military occupation is proving to be the biggest f**k up.

    [ May 13, 2004, 10:11 AM: Message edited by: geo ]

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    Making fun of that guys's death with your thread title is in very poor taste. Show a little compassion, funnyman.

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    You could never know.
    Supposedly the handicapped Al Queda dude (Zarqawi)they said was the ringleader is already dead.
    Why do these boogey men wear masks?
    I cant say I believe this is the case in this instance yet I believe our Admin/Gov is capable of doing this in a HOT MINUTE...

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    Originally posted by D J 1 3 8:
    Making fun of that guys's death with your thread title is in very poor taste. Show a little compassion, funnyman.
    Yes, you're right that was in bad taste. I do have a twisted sense of humour but my intention was not to offend.

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    Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
    bad title....very poor taste
    the title has been revised....excuse my post

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    Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
    bad title....very poor taste
    Got ya George.

    [ May 13, 2004, 10:15 AM: Message edited by: geo ]

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    did ya see my earlier post ????

    you were revising as i typed...

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    but that is an interesting theory... i thought about that myself for a minute....

    it's just a fucked up situation all around !

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    Originally posted by DJ George Bates:
    but that is an interesting theory... i thought about that myself for a minute....

    it's just a fucked up situation all around !
    Either way it's good timing on Bush's part. I'm not as paranoid as my crackpot friends but the fact the CIA or whoever deny having ever detained him gets the old paranoia fired up alil bit....

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    Originally posted by geo:
    Who believes that the Americans themselves actually carried out the beheading of Nicholas Berg to take heat off themselves by making the Iraqi's the more barbaric??

    A few people I've talked to think this. Are'nt conspiracy theories great. With absolutely no evidence whatsoever we can level all sorts of allegations at Governments.

    Mind you a few loose ends remain. His family claim he was in US custody in Iraq, yet the Gov't claim he never was.

    As a disclaimer- I have no opinion on this terrible business other than going into Iraq under false pretences was wrong and the military occupation is proving to be the biggest f**k up.
    Facts:

    1. He was in American custody just up to the point he was captured by "Al Qaeda"

    2. He was visited by the FBI several times while in custody.

    3. He was anti-war, wanted to make Iraq a better place.

    4. Who exactly is "Al Qaeda?" we know the CIA had a great deal to do with their creation.

    You decide.

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    Originally posted by smithies:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by geo:
    Who believes that the Americans themselves actually carried out the beheading of Nicholas Berg to take heat off themselves by making the Iraqi's the more barbaric??

    A few people I've talked to think this. Are'nt conspiracy theories great. With absolutely no evidence whatsoever we can level all sorts of allegations at Governments.


    Mind you a few loose ends remain. His family claim he was in US custody in Iraq, yet the Gov't claim he never was.

    As a disclaimer- I have no opinion on this terrible business other than going into Iraq under false pretences was wrong and the military occupation is proving to be the biggest f**k up.
    Facts:

    1. He was in American custody just up to the point he was captured by "Al Qaeda"

    2. He was visited by the FBI several times while in custody.

    3. He was anti-war, wanted to make Iraq a better place.

    4. Who exactly is "Al Qaeda?" we know the CIA had a great deal to do with their creation.

    You decide.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Dope reply. This is what I wanted to hear. How fucked up is the possibility that this may be true. I think if people knew the true workings of this administration there would be uproar. And I think if Bush gets another term there will be a revolution.

    Mind you if Bush gets another term it may be too late. This whole @War On Terror' thing stinks to high heaven.

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    here's a conspiracy theory for ya

    Berg was an Israeli spy?

    Berg told friends Iraqi police mistook him for an Israeli spy

    By Robert Moran

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    BAGHDAD, Iraq - Nicholas Berg, the 26-year-old American whose videotaped decapitation was posted on the Internet, told friends here that Iraqi police arrested him because he had a Jewish-sounding last name and an Israeli stamp in his passport.


    "They thought he was a spy," said Hugo Infante, a Chilean who works for the United Press International news service and lives at the al Fanar Hotel in central Baghdad, where Berg stayed until he checked out April 10 to return to the United States.


    Berg apparently was taken hostage and then executed sometime before Saturday, when his headless body was discovered in a western suburb of Baghdad.


    Why Berg was arrested, who held him, what happened to him after his release and what role his religion might have had in his death are key questions about the final days of the former Cornell University student with a penchant for travel to Third World countries.


    Infante, 31, said Berg didn't seem particularly alarmed about his arrest and detention in the northern city of Mosul, where he apparently was held from March 25 to April 6. "He wasn't mad. It was adventure for him," Infante said, a view echoed by another friend, Andrew R. Duke, who said Berg shook off his detention.


    "Basically his attitude it was all sort of fun, inconvenient," recalled Duke, 43, of Boulder, Colo.


    The accounts of Berg's neighbors at the hotel where he lived as he pursued work in Iraq servicing communications towers provide the most detailed version to date of how the West Chester, Pa., native came to be in Iraqi police custody.


    Infante said he last saw Berg on April 8 in the hotel's Internet cafe and that Berg told him he was leaving the country because business had declined. Berg talked about taking a plane from Baghdad to Jordan, Infante said.


    Duke, who drank beer with Berg the night before he left, said Berg told him he'd made a lot of money and was thinking about going sailing in Turkey. He said he thought Berg was planning to leave the country by land.


    "He was looking forward to going home," Duke said.


    At the time Berg left the hotel, the road to Jordan was closed by U.S. forces and the road to Baghdad's airport frequently was attacked by insurgents.


    State Department spokeswoman Kelly Shannon said a U.S. consular official in Iraq spoke with Berg on April 10 and offered to "assist him in departing Iraq by plane" for Jordan. She said Berg declined and said he planned to travel overland to Kuwait.


    The FBI in Washington announced that it had opened an investigation into Berg's killing and acknowledged that its agents had interviewed Berg several times while he was in the custody of Iraqi police.


    According to an FBI statement released in Washington, the U.S. military notified the bureau March 25 that an American was being held by Iraqi police. After several interviews with Berg and a visit to his parents' home in West Chester, the agents determined there was no reason for the Iraqis to detain him, the statement said.


    It said the Coalition Provisional Authority, the U.S. entity that governs Iraq, helped coordinate Berg's release April 6. Dan Senor, a coalition spokesman in Iraq, said Berg was never in coalition custody.


    Infante said Berg had referred to his jailers as members of the coalition, but it wasn't clear who ran the facility where he held. Iraqi police report to the CPA.


    Berg's father, Michael, has accused U.S. authorities of contributing to his death by allowing him to be detained after his scheduled departure date March 30, the day before the grisly killings of four American private-security contractors in Fallujah touched off violence that claimed more American lives in the next month than any other period since U.S. forces invaded.


    Infante said Berg told him he was arrested in Mosul, where he'd gone looking for work, after he had been drinking beer and was "messing around" on the street. Berg didn't elaborate, Infante said.


    Infante said Berg told him he was kept in a cell by himself, but that other prisoners were in the building. Infante said Berg thought most of those prisoners were Iranians and other non-Iraqis who'd been detained for crossing illegally into Iraq.


    Infante and Duke said Berg told them that Iraqi police suspected he was an Israeli spy because of the stamp in his passport.


    Iraqi police in Mosul couldn't be reached for comment Wednesday, and coalition authorities offered no information on the reason for Berg's detention.


    Senor said the FBI visited Berg three times while he was being held to determine what he was doing in Iraq. He also was being monitored by U.S. military police to make sure he was being fed and treated well, Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said.


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    (Moran reports for The Philadelphia Inquirer.)

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    Here's one from Al-Jazeera:
    Blooggers doubt Berg execution video
    "Tattooed men who are not behind bars are either latent criminals or degenerate aristocrats. If someone who is tattooed dies in freedom, then he does so a few years before he would have committed murder." -- Adolf Loos

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    Remember, Iraqi "Police" are controlled, trained and paid by the U.S.

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    Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
    Here's one from Al-Jazeera:
    Blooggers doubt Berg execution video
    You're not gonna hear this on CNN. Very relevant points raised. I did wonder about the Orange Jumpsuit.

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    Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
    Here's one from Al-Jazeera:
    Blooggers doubt Berg execution video
    comments (on the lack of blood and movement) are similar to those of some DHPers, who got grilled for it. interesting.
    ...

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    Originally posted by birdhouse:
    </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by jimmymack-2000:
    Here's one from Al-Jazeera:
    Blooggers doubt Berg execution video
    comments (on the lack of blood and movement) are similar to those of some DHPers, who got grilled for it. interesting. </font>[/QUOTE]Those who refuse to unflinchingly swallow all the crap they are fed are often shouted down. Especially when the subject is so sensationalist.

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    When will people wake up a realize that our government is nothing but a ruthless killer. They don't give a fuck. They will lie, misinform, cover up to meet their agendas. Stop putting your faith in these people.

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    I dont see why one wouldnt suspect our wonderful officials for doing such a thing, especially African American people(cuz its been done to us so many times in the past).

    Does anyone remember a post a long time ago by me regarding how the government will begin to stage events of terror to cause fear in its citizens, and thereby gain their approval for war and increased security......you dont?.....well, brace yourself. Controlling information is great, you can distort the truth from the masses and they have NO WAY of finding the real truth of the matter. Its very likely, but I dont know.

    If someone is wearing a mask, how can anyone say who it is.....weird...but its probably a diversionary tactic for something else being done to others there in Iraq or around the world.
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    the new numbers are in and roses really smell like ooo ooo ooo

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ushpoll13.html

    Bush Approval rating: 44 %

    33% of people think the country is headed in right direction - an 8 year low

    For the first time, a majority of 51 percent said the Iraq war was going poorly.
    46 percent of those polled said the war was going well, down from 70 percent in January.

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    ties favor the challenger, this is officially an election year funk people.
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    Ah yes illegal weapons in an illegal war. Apologies in advance for the overkill.

    LONDON (Reuters) - Depleted uranium shells leave a legacy of birth defects and death, scientists told a conference in London Friday, warning that the radioactive ammunition will cause the same health problems in Kosovo as it has in Iraq.

    ``One single particle of depleted uranium lodged in the lymph node can devastate the entire immune system,'' Dr. Roger Coghill, an experimental biologist, told the conference on links between depleted uranium (DU) and cancers in Iraq.

    ``We know that some one million DU bullets were fired (during the Gulf War) and many still lie in the Gulf desert, causing clearly serious cancers and birth defects. The connection between the two is biologically extremely plausible,'' he said.

    Part of the problem with the debate over the effects of depleted uranium is a lack of hard, scientific data. What little does exist is seized upon by one side to disprove the other.

    Some critics say chemical weapons used by Iraqi forces in the 1980-88 war with Iran are the real reason for the health problems in southern Iraq.

    Declassified U.S. documents show that U.S. forces fired about 944,000 rounds of the cigar-sized DU ammunition in Iraq and Kuwait during the 1991 Gulf War.

    Depleted uranium is favored as a tank- and bunker-buster because its extreme density allows it to punch through armor and concrete.

    Professor Mona Kammas, a member of Iraq's Committee of Pollution Impact by Aggressive Bombing, displayed photographs of deformed babies and said an increase in birth defects in parts of Iraq was caused by depleted uranium.

    ``When we studied the nearest to the depleted uranium sources, the more abnormalities we got,'' she later told Reuters. ``This material is radioactive and hazardous to man, animals and plants.''

    Thousands of Iraqi military personnel and civilians were affected by the after-effects of the shells, Kammas said.

    Coghill, who runs his own research center in Gwent, Wales, said smoke and dust from the impact of the rounds can carry radioactive particles hundreds of yards into the air and several hundred miles downwind.

    The use of DU shells in Kosovo, fired mostly from U.S. A-10 ''tank-busting'' planes, was endangering the health of returning refugees, peacekeepers, aid workers and the people of neighboring countries, he said.

    ``We think that in the Kosovo conflict, as a result of (immune-related disorders), there will be some 10,000 deaths from cancer,'' he added.

    Kammas said Western governments had not discussed the problem because they do want their soldiers to know of the hazards, adding it was up to the United States to clean up Iraq.

    Some of the other scientists and doctors, while not drawing a parallel between the cancers and DU ammunition, blamed years of international sanctions against Iraq as a major contributor to health problems.

    To draw attention to the health situation in Iraq, British Labor MP George Galloway said he and members of the charity Mariam Appeal would drive from London to Baghdad in a converted double-decker bus this autumn.

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    Allies under fire over Gulf legacy

    By RICHARD NORTON-TAYLOR LONDON, July 31 1999

    http://www.theage.com.au/daily/990731/news/news29.html

    At a conference in London today, Dr Mona Kammas will show a series of pictures of grotesquely deformed babies.

    They were born with huge black growths on their heads, or with no feet, or with tiny heads, or with huge clefts in their backs. They have distorted limbs and disfigured torsos, their tiny bodies appearing mangled.

    These are the offspring, she says, of Iraqi soldiers subjected to hundreds of thousands of rounds of shells tipped with depleted uranium (DU), fired by US forces during the 1991 Gulf War.

    Incidences of cancer, infertility and congenital abnormalities have increased dramatically, particularly in Iraq's south - the battlefield zone.

    Dr Kammas, who lectured at Liverpool University in England in the 1970s, is a member of Iraq's Committee of Pollution Impact by Aggressive Bombing. Its task, she says, is to analyse the effect on humans, animals and the environment of DU ammunition.

    Dr Kammas is the main speaker at today's conference, organised by the British Labour MP Mr George Galloway, on ``the cancer epidemic in Iraq and its possible link to the allied use of depleted uranium weapons''.

    It is a controversial issue and a topical one. American A-10 ``tank-busters'' used uranium-tipped shells against Serb targets in Kosovo, and British troops attached to the K-For peacekeeping force are equipped with DU anti-tank weapons.

    Yesterday Dr Kammas produced statistics that she said resulted from ``the first use of radiological weapons in the history of mankind'':

    * The extent of congenital abnormalities and cancers in the Basra region of southern Iraq is significantly higher than in the country as a whole.

    * Couples who had perfectly healthy babies before the Gulf War are now infertile.

    * There is a cluster of lymphatic cancer cases near Basra.

    * Instances of thyroid cancer have doubled over the past 10years, and it is more prevalent in the south.

    * Renal failure, which she says is linked to uranium exposure, has also doubled.

    * Radioactivity levels in the environment are 10 times higher than normal, with contamination much higher in the south.

    US and British Gulf War veterans found similar symptoms when they attended an international conference in Baghdad last year.

    The fact that the increase in serious illnesses has soared throughout Iraq - ``you don't find a house or a family without cancer or malformations from Basra to Mosul'', Dr Kammas said yesterday - does not deter her from placing the blame squarely on DU weapons. The international community - and the US and Britain in particular - were responsible, she said, and should pay to clean up the environment, and lift sanctions on all medicines.

    Britain and the US do not deny that DU is dangerous. In 1990, just a few months before the Gulf War, the US army issued a warning about the handling of accidents involving DU.

    The British Defence Secretary, Mr George Robertson, told MPs this month that British soldiers in Kosovo had been given appropriate guidance, and provided with nuclear, biological and chemical equipment, including protective gloves and respiratory equipment, which they should wear ``if contact with targets damaged by DU ammunition is unavoidable''.

    Documents released under the US Freedom-of-Information Act indicate that US forces fired 944,000 rounds of DU-tipped weapons during the Gulf War, leaving 300 tonnes of DU in Iraq and Kuwait.

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    Originally posted by smithies:
    Real terrorism:

    http://hraunfjord.com/Articles/Apach...he_Killing.htm
    Don't forget, as Bush always reminds people, you live in a democracy.

    Please use your vote-you have a voice.

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