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7-Methoxy-B-Carboline
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let me start out by saying that this is not meant to offend or discredit anyone.
Subject Matter :L'iL Louis.
now i have the utmost respect for Louis but i heard something about him that shocked the shit out of me. i didn't want to believe this but it came from really reliable source.
if you ain't from Chicago you probably no nothing about this. (o.k. let's get to the point).
some one told me that a certain (very well respected) DJ/Recording Artist from Chi-town
wrote a certain (very well known) L'iL Louis track and sold it to Louis. in actuallity Louis did not write the track at all he just used his name behind a track that this other individual basically wrote for him .
next point of issue. this person also said that Louis has not really written any of the tracks that he has behind his name. he buys these tracks off of people and presents himself as the producer but he is really not the one who writes these tracks.
i had a serious hard time believing this shit but this person who was telling me sounded so sincere. and now that i am looking back on all the tracks that have had Louis's name on them within the recent years i think it might actually have a ring of truth to it.
on all these tracks it says L'iL Louis presents -
(insert artist name). what is the point of Louis having his name on these people's records when in actuallity he did not write the track?
now as we all know Louis is one the coldest DJ's there ever was and i always thought he was one of the illest producers ever. he has had a serious influence on the way i think about the music. BUT.. could it be that we are all being conned into thinking that he is a producer? someone please tell me that my man Louis is not a fraud. please tell me that shit aint true.
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%seRge%
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True or not, I think you made a bad decision by posting this. ![[noshake]](graemlins/jpshakehead.gif)
[ October 09, 2002, 09:35 AM: Message edited by: seRge **** ]
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Bill Blake
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Producers and song writer are two different hats.
Of course they can be worn at the same time but they dont have to be and when someone says they 'produced' a track it should not imply they wrote it.
Didnt Larry Heard work heavily with lu on his first album? Is that what you are talking about?
[ October 09, 2002, 09:39 AM: Message edited by: Jamie Lennox ]
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Sensei Melei
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I'm not saying if it's true or not, but that wouldn't be the first time a producer used bought a track and used their name as the front. It's the music industry. There are numerous scenarios like this one. There are DHP members who have done or been involved with this. At least he gave credit by "presenting" other artists.
I'm not condoning nor advocating, just making points...
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Bill Blake
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quote:
Originally posted by seRge ****:
True or not, I think you made a bad decision by posting this.
I disagree. If what was posted is not true and someone on the board has evidence to the contrary then that means there is a record here on this board to dispell the rumor.
And hell, it is a house board
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fred da warrior
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Well,
I can't speak to all of his tracks, but I know for a fact that Video Clash wasn't an original idea and and anybody who went to Hales Franciscan can prove that. But he did his thing and profitted very nicely. Cool. But for the question at hand, so what? If he bought the tracks from somebody and they sold it to him with good faith, and he threw the shit out there and it stuck, shit, what's da problem? That cat made frequent trips to the bank in the '80, so God Bless him however he did it.
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Bill Blake
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But I will say serge, if you are not gonna along with the post, not give the name of the suposed' writers he bought songs from...then dont post anything.
Get it all out in the open...you know?
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%seRge%
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quote:
Originally posted by Jamie Lennox:
But I will say serge, if you are not gonna along with the post, not give the name of the suposed' writers he bought songs from...then dont post anything.
Get it all out in the open...you know?
I see what you mean. All or nothing. I just get worried about threads like these cause I think they have potential to hurt someone's career.
But this is a house forum, so aI guess all is fair. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Bill Blake
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Actually serge, there no reason for me to even on this thread.......I dont shit about chicago...
I will say one thing, I only the Mike Dunn mix of Video Clash....need to get the Louis verson...I love that shit
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Monny JcIntosh
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This can only concern song writing: there's pretty clearly a Lil' Louis signature sound which suggests the same person is behind every production. I don't see anything wrong with other people doing the song writing. It's the production approach that gives it the magic - can you imagine a cover of "French Kiss" working so well? And yes, I have heard the Belgian gay version
Still, I personally would take any "someone told me that" stories with a pinch of salt.
Take care,
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Jacques de Doozu
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quote:
Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
This can only concern song writing: there's pretty clearly a Lil' Louis signature sound which suggests the same person is behind every production. I don't see anything wrong with other people doing the song writing. It's the production approach that gives it the magic - can you imagine a cover of "French Kiss" working so well? And yes, I have heard the Belgian gay version
Still, I personally would take any "someone told me that" stories with a pinch of salt.
Take care,
Jonny
i was just thinking the same thing.
there clearly is a lil' louis signature sound. especially his older cuts.
blackout, french kiss, club lonely, why'd fall,...
all have something in common.
i can't imagine louis saying to a producer: 'you know my sound, make me something nice...'
if he did, people would've known from the start.
very nice post btw!
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upliftdisco365
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I agree with Mr. Lennox..(dear God...).
Songwriters write songs. Producers take the raw written material; song parts, instruments/vocals and turn it into listenable, and typically, a commercially viable entity. Many killer producers aren't necessarily great writers and vice versa. Now and then, you run across cats that do both really well, but for producers that hire the services of different writers, they get the benefit of diverse material from a multitude of perspectives. They also get the chance to interpret and re-interpret those perspectives from their own ponts of view.
I've heard several Lil' Louis joints that were absolutely timeless. I don't think it matters whether or not he wrote them. The production and arrangement IS the product that you come to know and love.
You like Rufus/Chaka? I'm nearly at stalker status for these motherfuckers. Check out an album like "Ask Rufus" or "Street Player", which are marvellously written and (mostly) produced by members of the band.
Now, check out "Masterjam", written by the same cats, (with the exception the title track by my songwriting sensei/guru/master, Rod Temperton) but produced by Quincy Jones. The cuts on this album are brought to life in a way that none of their previous albums even begin to approach. Talented producers/arrangers will turn everything they touch into gold, regardless who writes it, because they've got their fingers on the pulse of what people want and what people want to buy.
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fred da warrior
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You like Rufus/Chaka? I'm nearly at stalker status for these motherfuckers. Check out an album like "Ask Rufus" or "Street Player", which are marvellously written and (mostly) produced by members of the band.
Now, check out "Masterjam", written by the same cats, (with the exception the title track by my songwriting sensei/guru/master, Rod Temperton) but produced by Quincy Jones. The cuts on this album are brought to life in a way that none of their previous albums even begin to approach. Talented producers/arrangers will turn everything they touch into gold, regardless who writes it, because they've got their fingers on the pulse of what people want and what people want to buy.[/QB][/QUOTE]
Are you at stalker status too? Gatdamn, I thought I was the only one. Chaka and Rufus was mandatory in my house.
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djroc2u
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lil louis did video clash
tyree cooper did video crash
not mike dunn
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Bill Blake
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Ive got a mike dunn comp with it on it.
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Virgo Blue
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Mike Dunn's version is called 'Magic Feet (Original)', it came out on...
>MD Connection - 'Tracks That Move Ya' 12" (Muzique 003) 1989
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mhd
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Rumours, unidentified sources, prove he "is not a fraud" wtf, that's bullshit
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Bill Blake
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quote:
Originally posted by Virgo Blue:
Mike Dunn's version is called 'Magic Feet (Original)', it came out on...
>MD Connection - 'Tracks That Move Ya' 12" (Muzique 003) 1989
Totes
Yea thats right...I forgot the name of the tune was different.
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konbit
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There is not a successful house producer on this planet who has not been accused of this same shit. However, a level of "sincerity" on the part of the accuser IS NOT PROOF of any sort. And until there is proof beyond bitter rumors, I find it very inappropriate to post this accusation on a messageboard where he is not present to defend himself. I have spoken to Louis in detail about his productions (including the orgasm recording for "French Kiss" ), and can tell you that his sincerity was full.
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fred da warrior
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Originally posted by mhd:
Rumours, unidentified sources, prove he "is not a fraud" wtf, that's bullshit
Well, we got til 9pm to post 100+ until the returns....I hate that he threw his rock and left, but that's the internet for ya
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lola desire
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well regardless of the controversey, with the quality of the music lil louis' name is on, one little thread ain't gonna kill his following. sharing info is good. i've learned something today about the music industry and chaka and rufus.
whether lil louis is a fraud or not i'll support him way more than other wack producers who STEAL people's musical genius, add thump and PAY to MAKE their songs hits by way of hypnotic repitition aka heavy rotation on the radio.
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Li-Za
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They use to laugh at me but I saw the future....
Lil Louis is a MAJOR figure in my Musical life. I respect him with 100%. As for this thread, I'm just replying cuz I wanted to quote a song of his. Whether he wrote it or not.
He's Genius.
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mhd
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Originally posted by fred:
quote:
Originally posted by mhd:
Rumours, unidentified sources, prove he "is not a fraud" wtf, that's bullshit
Well, we got til 9pm to post 100+ until the returns....I hate that he threw his rock and left, but that's the internet for ya
"...not intended to offend or discredit" thanks
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Doug
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What Jamie and uplift have said is right on point. Check the writing credits on "The Whistle Song" for more confirmation of the difference between writer and producer. Moreover, the question of whether or not he wrote his material is moot if the "respected DJ/recording artist" sold him tracks outright. If the "respected DJ/recording artist" is stupid enough to give up all rights to his/her material, then he/she can't really bitch about it.
Peace,
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M-TRAXXX
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Originally posted by djroc2u:
lil louis did video clash
tyree cooper did video crash
not mike dunn
That's Tyree Cooper & Rodney Baker on 'Acid Crash'.
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