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david mancuso
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Saturday's Say No To War protest is at 1st Ave. & 49th St.
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Ever since the United States Army massacred 300 Lakotas in 1890, American forces have intervened elsewhere around the globe 100 times. Indeed the United States has sent troops abroad or militarily struck other countries' territory 216 times since independence from Britain. Since 1945 the United States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world. Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23 countries. These include: China 1945-46 Korea 1950-53 China 1950-53 Guatemala 1954 Indonesia 1958 Cuba 1959-60 Guatemala 1960 Congo 1964 Peru 1965 Laos 1964-73 Vietnam 1961-73 Cambodia 1969-70 Guatemala 1967-69 Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984 Libya 1986 El Salvador 1980s Nicaragua 1980s Panama 1989 Iraq 1991-1999 Sudan 1998 Afghanistan 1998 and Yugoslavia 1999. Post World War II, the United States has also assisted in over 20 different coups throughout the world, and the CIA was responsible for half a dozen assassinations of political heads of state. The following is a comprehensive summary of the imperialist strategy of the United States over the span of the past century: Argentina - 1890 - Troops sent to Buenos Aires to protect business interests. Chile - 1891 - Marines sent to Chile and clashed with nationalist rebels. Haiti - 1891 - American troops suppress a revolt by Black workers on United States-claimed Navassa Island. Hawaii - 1893 - Navy sent to Hawaii to overthrow the independent kingdom - Hawaii annexed by the United States. Nicaragua - 1894 - Troops occupied Bluefields, a city on the Caribbean Sea, for a month. China - 1894-95 - Navy, Army, and Marines landed during the Sino-Japanese War. Korea - 1894-96 - Troops kept in Seoul during the war. Panama - 1895 - Army, Navy, and Marines landed in the port city of Corinto. China - 1894-1900 - Troops occupied China during the Boxer Rebellion. Philippines - 1898-1910 - Navy and Army troops landed after the Philippines fell during the Spanish-American War; 600,000 Filipinos were killed. Cuba - 1898-1902 - Troops seized Cuba in the Spanish-American War; the United States still maintains troops at Guantanamo Bay today. Puerto Rico - 1898 - present - Troops seized Puerto Rico in the Spanish-American War and still occupy Puerto Rico today. Nicaragua - 1898 - Marines landed at the port of San Juan del Sur. Samoa - 1899 - Troops landed as a result over the battle for succession to the throne. Panama - 1901-14 - Navy supported the revolution when Panama claimed independence from Colombia. American troops have occupied the Canal Zone since 1901 when construction for the canal began. Honduras - 1903 - Marines landed to intervene during a revolution. Dominican Rep 1903-04 - Troops landed to protect American interests during a revolution. Korea - 1904-05 - Marines landed during the Russo-Japanese War. Cuba - 1906-09 - Troops landed during an election. Nicaragua - 1907 - Troops landed and a protectorate was set up. Honduras - 1907 - Marines landed during Honduras' war with Nicaragua. Panama - 1908 - Marines sent in during Panama's election. Nicaragua - 1910 - Marines landed for a second time in Bluefields and Corinto. Honduras - 1911 - Troops sent in to protect American interests during Honduras' civil war. China - 1911-41 - Navy and troops sent to China during continuous flare-ups. Cuba - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests in Havana. Panama - 1912 - Marines landed during Panama's election. Honduras - 1912 - Troops sent in to protect American interests. Nicaragua - 1912-33 - Troops occupied Nicaragua and fought guerrillas during its 20-year civil war. Mexico - 1913 - Navy evacuated Americans during revolution. Dominican Rep 1914 - Navy fought with rebels over Santo Domingo. Mexico - 1914-18 - Navy and troops sent in to intervene against nationalists. Haiti - 1914-34 - Troops occupied Haiti after a revolution and occupied Haiti for 19 years. Dominican Rep 1916-24 - Marines occupied the Dominican Republic for eight years. Cuba - 1917-33 - Troops landed and occupied Cuba for 16 years; Cuba became an economic protectorate. World War I - 1917-18 - Navy and Army sent to Europe to fight the Axis powers. Russia - 1918-22 - Navy and troops sent to eastern Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution; Army made five landings. Honduras - 1919 - Marines sent during Honduras' national elections. Guatemala - 1920 - Troops occupied Guatemala for two weeks during a union strike. Turkey - 1922 - Troops fought nationalists in Smyrna. China - 1922-27 - Navy and Army troops deployed during a nationalist revolt. Honduras - 1924-25 - Troops landed twice during a national election. Panama - 1925 - Troops sent in to put down a general strike. China - 1927-34 - Marines sent in and stationed for seven years throughout China. El Salvador - 1932 - Naval warships deployed during the FMLN revolt under Marti. World War II - 1941-45 - Military fought the Axis powers: Japan, Germany, and Italy. Yugoslavia - 1946 - Navy deployed off the coast of Yugoslavia in response to the downing of an American plane. Uruguay - 1947 - Bombers deployed as a show of military force. Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a victory for the far right in national "elections." Germany - 1948 - Military deployed in response to the Berlin blockade; the Berlin airlift lasts 444 days. Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war against the Filipino Huk revolt. Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an independence rebellion in Ponce. Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the war. Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah to power. Vietnam - 1954 - The United States offered weapons to the French in the battle against Ho Chi Minh and the Viet Minh. Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas in power. Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal. Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of Lebanon during its civil war. Panama - 1958 - Troops landed after Panamanians demonstrations threatened the Canal Zone. Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War. Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions failed to overthrow the Castro government. Cuba - 1962 - The Navy quarantines Cuba during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas. Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot while protesting the United States presence in the Canal Zone. Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military coup. Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a national election. Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in. Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia. Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible invasion into Iran. Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside during Laos' civil war. Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing President Allende who had been popularly elected. The CIA helped to establish a military regime under General Pinochet. Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had been seized. Angola - 1976-92 - The CIA backed South African rebels fighting against Marxist Angola. Iran - 1980 - Americans aborted a rescue attempt to liberate 52 hostages seized in the Teheran embassy. Libya - 1981 - American fighters shoot down two Libyan fighters. El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN. Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the Contra War against the Sandinistas. Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the Mediterranean. Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases near the Honduran border. Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the Maurice Bishop government. Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian planes over the Persian Gulf. Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and around the capital city of Tripoli. Bolivia - 1986 - The Army assisted government troops on raids of cocaine areas. Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War. Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets. Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest among Virgin Island people. Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for government during coup. Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama civilians were killed. Liberia - 1990 - Troops entered Liberia to evacuate foreigners during civil war. Saudi Arabia - 1990-91 - American troops sent to Saudi Arabia, which was a staging area in the war against Iraq. Kuwait - 1991 - Troops sent into Kuwait to turn back Saddam Hussein. Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during civil war. Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone" during civil war in Yugoslavia. Haiti - 1994-96 - American troops and Navy provided a blockade against Haiti's military government. The CIA restored Aristide to power. Zaire - 1996-97 - Marines sent into Rwanda Hutus' refugee camps in the area where the Congo revolution began. Albania - 1997 - Troops deployed during evacuation of foreigners. Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas components were manufactured. Afghanistan - 1998 - Missiles launched towards alleged Afghan terrorist training camps. Yugoslavia - 1999 - Bombings and missile attacks carried out by the United States in conjunction with NATO in the 11 week war against Milosevic. Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi targets since December 1998. These **100** instances of American military intervention did not include times when the United States: (1) deployed military police overseas; (2) mobilized the National Guard; (3) sent Navy ships off the coast of numerous countries as a show of strength; (4) sent additional troops to areas where Americans were already stationed; (5) carried out covert actions where American forces were not under the direct rule of an American command; (6) used small hostage rescue units; (7) used American pilots to fly foreign planes; (8) carried out military training and advisory programs which did not involve direct combat. U. S. Government Assassination Plots Following is a list of prominent foreign leaders whose assassination (or planning for same) the United States has been involved in since the end of Second World War. The list does not include several assassinations in various parts of the world carried out by anti-Castro Cubans employed by CIA and headquartered in the United States: LIST A: NON MUSLIMS 1949 - KIm Koo, Korean opposition leader 1950's - CIA/Neo-Nazi hit list of numerous political figures in West Germany 1955 - Jose' Antonio Remon, President of Panama 1950's Chou En-lai, Prime Minister of China, several attempts on his life 1951 - Kim Il Sung, Premiere of North Korea 1950s (mid) - Claro M. Recto, Philippines opposition leader 1955 - Jawahar Lal Nehru, Prime Minister of India 1959 and1963 - Norodom Sihanouk, leader of Cambodia 1950s-70s - Jose Figueres, President of Costa Rica, two attempts on his life 1961 - Francois "Papa Doc"Duvalier, leader of Haiti 1961 - Patrice Lumumba , Prime Minister of Congo (Zaire) 1961 - Gen. Rafael Trujillo, leader of Dominican Republic 1963 - Ngo Dinh Diem, President of South Vietnam 1960s - Fidel Castro, President of Cuba, more than 15 attempts on his life 1960s - Raul Castro, high official in government of Cuba 1965 - Francisco Caamanao, Dominican Republic opposition leader 1965 - Pierre Ngendandumwe, Prime Minister of Burundi 1965-6 - Charles de Gaulle, President of France 1967 - Che Guevara, Cuban leader 1970 - Salvadore Allende, President of Chile 1970 - General Rene Schneider, Commander-in-Chief of Army, Chile 1970s and 1981 - Gen. Omar Torrijos, leader of Panama 1972 - General Manuel Noriega, Chief of Panama Intelligence 1975 - Mobutu Sese Seko, President of Zaire 1976 - Michael Manley, Prime Minister of Jamaica 1983 - Miguel d'Escoto, Foreign Minister of Nicaragua 1984 - The nine commandantes of the Sandanista National Directorate 1980's - Dr. Gerald Bull, Canadian Ballistics Scientist assassinated by Mossad in Belgium.
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flypitcher
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So a monosyllabic answer to stop Saddam Hussien torturing and killing his own people?
America is the least barbaric nation out of all the civilisations that have ruled the world at some time in our planet's history.
I am not saying they are whiter than white but who is going to save the Iraqui people. Better late than never or should we just sit on the fence while thousands are continually tortured and disappear?
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Originally posted by flypitcher:
So a monosyllabic answer to stop Saddam Hussien torturing and killing his own people?
America is the least barbaric nation out of all the civilisations that have ruled the world at some time in our planet's history.
I am not saying they are whiter than white but who is going to save the Iraqui people. Better late than never or should we just sit on the fence while thousands are continually tortured and disappear?
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War is not the answer. If democracy was so important in that region than why didn't Kuwait
become "liberated?"
It is true that America has also done good in this world....... but the only way to peace, is thru peaceful means.
My heart goes out to the Iraqui people and to all oppressed people in this world, who have to suffer as the result of a negative government.
Take care,
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Originally posted by Jolyon:
Just come back from the Stop The War march in London...over a million people, great atmosphere...very uplifting.
great!
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Originally posted by flypitcher:
So a monosyllabic answer to stop Saddam Hussien torturing and killing his own people?
America is the least barbaric nation out of all the civilisations that have ruled the world at some time in our planet's history.
I am not saying they are whiter than white but who is going to save the Iraqui people. Better late than never or should we just sit on the fence while thousands are continually tortured and disappear?
Don't you think America has some problems of it's own to fix
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absolutely right David..War is not a solution. The tens of thousands innocents that would die in an attack are by far worse then the evil Saddam poses to the Iraqi people (let alone the West). Besides, that's not the point. The point is that after WOII the people of this world decided that force of one country against another would not be accepted anymore, except when approved by the UN Security Council or in case of seldefense..Neither of both options apply here, so that's why any US attack on this moment should be considered a crime against humanity. I'm fighting for the maintenance of the multilateralist system, which is far far more important for human kind than Saddam Hussein, how evil he may be. I do not want to end up in a Hobbessian situation !
And for the record : if the US was so much for justice and protection of the human rights, why for god sake aren't they putting more effort in rebuilding and keeping Afghanistan safe..One big facade, that's what the US governement is about.. Don't be fooled
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Originally posted by Jolyon:
Just come back from the Stop The War march in London...over a million people, great atmosphere...very uplifting.
impressive..1.000.000 people ! No coïncidence Blair backtracked a bit today.. ![[cheering]](graemlins/cheering.gif)
the pic is the London march..The march in Brussels was really really uplifting too..It's comforting to see this world hasn't completely turned cynical yet
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Apathy is the truest evil. This is what is at the heart of the human condition.
Nationalists, imperialists, warmongers, peaceniks - all fronts are equally exuding apathetic tendencies. One must look deeper to see.
Troubling times for our species.
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just came in from the NYC rally - 100,000+ : 15 blocks packed to the rafters (all in sub-zero temperatures). had to come in to work but what an experience! now let's see if it's all just falling on deaf ears. ![[mad]](mad1.gif)
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If war is not the answer to dictators tell me the solution.
btw David Mancuso I see you mentioned Cuba in your list of America attempted overthrows.
If I say to you that gays were executed and sent to rehabilation camps after Fidel came in power and were made to walk around with a chain with the capital letter p for perverso would you see Castro in a different light?
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So a monosyllabic answer to stop Saddam Hussien torturing and killing his own people?
yeah, war as an humanitarian act. ![[cussing]](graemlins/cussing.gif)
WHO estimated death-toll: 500.000 civilians.
politicans saying this war is about peace, democracy and human rights is not only cynic but a blatant lie!
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as I keep saying give me alterantives for getting rid of mass-murderers.
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Often there are no immediate solutions..And you can't fight a disease by risking to spread even greater evil.
on a sidenote : Sadam is evil, no doubt about that, but do not underestimate the propaganda around this guy. When he did do his most evil stuff, there was hardly a critical note on his policy..he slowed 'down' in evilness the last decade, but all of a sudden he turns out to be the biggest devil on this planet.
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and i wanna add : the only thing we can do is build a strong enough multilateral system, with a strong judicial component..We have an international penal court that's responsible for trying people like Milosevic & Saddam..Why is the US not a treaty member of that, if it's all about getting rid of dictators ?
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as I keep saying give me alterantives for getting rid of mass-murderers.
(the short answer: mass egocide--everyone including the mass murderers think about what they are doing, the repercussions, why they even consider doing it and to stop doing it if they choose to. h'ever, i assume you mean when the evildoers are dangerously out of control)
i'll just say that i don't agree with the idea of getting up a posse to go and kill or depose a bully. i'd rather see dialogue but it's hard to get people to the table who don't want to listen to reason, who want to do what they want to do. if it's determined that the use of violent force is necessary then the right people should be the ones to carry it out. in the case of the US going around the world supposedly "helping" to bring democracy to the savage nations, this countries government is definitely not the right party to have do the job. this government is the #1 authority on mass murder, murdering even the native population of the land and territories now known as the United States.
it's not like in the movie The Demolition Man (Sylvester Stallone, Wesley Snipes) where you "send [in] a maniac to catch a maniac", i think a party of *true* "Peace" is the only one you could trust to carry out maybe-justifiable (but definitely impartial) acts like murder and/or detention. this is why american justice is a joke--you've got the criminals in charge of meting out justice.."Criminal justice system" indeed...only the pure of heart and mind should even be considered for such tasks of nobility as leading people toward freedom.
if it's the case that the US is only interested in controlling-managing the oil (and drug) supply through the region, for their forces to go in and kill even one innocent is nothing but thuggery, though it be described by US officials as "humanitarian in nature". yeah, right--and dropping food packages which resemble cluster bombs is very noble.
who nose, maybe there's a certain group of mass murderers who are using others to do their dirty work for them. maybe the majority of them work out of the U$ and have names like Bush, Condi Rice, Colin, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Tom Ridge...
for those outside of Iraq to control our mass murderers, there's UNIFIED vigilance on the part of EVERYBODY; this is not just people in the streets, but people fighting seemingly unwinable battles in possibly corrupt courts (Leonard Peltier, Mumia Abu Jamal), people talking to each other about the issues.
as well, those directly supporting such murderers--soldiers, scientists, right-hand men, henchmen, operatives and blindly patriotic citizens...--might want to think more outside themselves and understand that they can choose to care about what their thoughts and actions mean for any large number of people and not just think of such support as dutiful service.
mass murderers can't do it all by themselves. if people stop supporting corporations (industrialist murderers), stop voting for others to control their lives and start taking control of and responsibility for their own individual thoughts and actions mass murderers might be harder to come by.
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CBU-87/B Combined Effects Munitions (CEM)
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/cbu-87.htm
dumb bomb classification
http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/
Cluster Bombs (BBCi slide demonstration)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/cluster_bomb/default.stm
psychological warfare in Afghanistan since "9-11"
http://psywar.psyborg.co.uk/afghanistan.shtml
Human Rights Watch on US cluster bombing
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/arms/cluster-bck1031.htm
Cluster bombs look similar to food aid packages
http://www.refuseandresist.org/newwar/111701clusterbombs.html
(talk about "not in our names")
"Radio Warns Afghans over food parcels"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/1624787.stm
"But aren't U.S. food drops a sincere effort to help the people of Afghanistan?"
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/TerrorInUSA/47qa.asp#27
US defends food drops
http://www.ottawalynx.com/CNEWSAttack011010/10_aid-ap.html
take at face value:
money and oil (link archive, maybe more than a few broken/dead links)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/articlesfinance.html
"US Army War College: NO PROOF SADDAM GASSED THE KURDS!"
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/helms.html
Egocide
http://www.cgjungpage.org/articles/dhrsoul.html
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Just come back from the Stop The War march in London...over a million people, great atmosphere...very uplifting.
Good stuff!!!
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as I keep saying give me alterantives for getting rid of mass-murderers.
all experts agree that if the US attacks Iraq, there will be tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dead innocent iraqi civilians by the end of the campaign.
Since when does mass murder not include innocent civilians?
what lyot said about world court.
Dont get me wrong. if i was cheney i'd invade the second largest producer of oil if there were rumours that OPEC was gonna be droping the US dollar and adopting the Euro as the official Petro-Dollar...er...I mean, umm...liberate the people of Iraq from a tyrant because he's got missles that go 10km over the legal distance limit...tee hee ![[Wink]](wink.gif) .
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if the US gouvernment is so concerned with human-rights, why don't they focus on f.e. North-korea and at least a dozen more countries in the world some more? mmm..they even supported Saddam in the past..... but just like the vietcong, Osama bin laden etc.etc. he's not usefull anymore.....now he has to be replaced by another US puppet...
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as I keep saying give me alterantives for getting rid of mass-murderers.
So you are saying the U.S. should go to war with every country that has an unsavory government? Dream on, dude ...
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as I keep saying give me alterantives for getting rid of mass-murderers.
So you are saying the U.S. should go to war with every country that has an unsavory government? Dream on, dude ...
maybe english is not your first language as you talk like you have watched too many teen b-movies
but instead if saying things I didn't say if you can muster an alternative for getting rid of someone who has killed over a million of his own people then just give me alternatives instead of going down your own road or start a new thread.
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a million of his own people ? duhhh ! you are probably referring to the victims of the Iran-Iraq war, but that ain't a serious argument..Like already mentioned, the US supported that war actively..It's insane to use that against him now..
Second,more multilateralism is the answer..And patience..
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a million of his own people ? duhhh ! you are probably referring to the victims of the Iran-Iraq war, but that ain't a serious argument..Like already mentioned, the US supported that war actively..It's insane to use that against him now..
Second,more multilateralism is the answer..And patience..
I am not referring to anything but his own people that he torures and continues to torture and the Kurds that he gassed. By your grammar I presume that English isn't your first language and I apologise if I have misunderstood your alternatives but listen if the ice hadn't frozen in Stallingraad continental Europe would have been speaking German. So if you want to be paitent and stand by while people are slaughtered then you are a coward in my book. Let's hope you never meet an ordinary Iraqui in a bar and tell him your sentiments.
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i just want to add that me and my Iraqi hairdresser are both agreeing that there should not be an unilateral US attack...Clear enough?
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