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Dolemite73
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Originally posted by ronhnyc:
Dolemite73,
The U.S. government also gives billions each year to the Egyptian government, the second highest in receipt of US aid.
I wouldnt give these country one cent. We give them billions, but we still have homeless people sleeping out side at this minute freezing. Its fucking bullshit...all of it.
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mhd
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Originally posted by 1343:
Also because of my participation..I feel obligated to reiterate...Zionists with influence (media) and power (military) are who I speak of...not Jews as a group.
As simple as your statement is, its a powerful clarification. Your dialogue with jamesd was fascinating in that it showed how hard it is to communicate when people are actually trying to understand one another - instead of reacting to what you think you heard. I appreciate both of you sticking to it, peace
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jamesd
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ok cheddi fair enough..i dont agree with your summaization of what happening with american foriegn policy, but fair enough, youve given me a clarifaction, which is really all was looking for. whilst i dont agree and think your idea is a bit short sightsited, i respect your opinion, i hope that has come through in this exchange.
Ronnyc has hit the nail exactly on the head of what i was trying to get at, mainly that there are 2 sides to every coin. thanks alot Ron, youve said it better than i could have without even having to say it. ![[Smile]](smile.gif) and i think america has alot more blood on its hands than ppl like to admit..i know were all in agreement here..no need to reply to that.
btw, i think djmarbill has made a great and subtle post...he could not be accused of hatred at all (not to say anyone here is being accused of it)..he is stating a fact..who can argue with him? its true, lots of jewish ppl are involved in the media and are influential in the media..the problems for me begin when ppl start to use that fact to explain why they are unhappy with a certain situation in the world or the country...which they seem to be frustrated with.
From my point of view Cheddi, you seem frustrated with the way the miliary and the country is being run, and rightfully so. My opinion is that you should look at a whole host of reasons why things are happening the way they are..what you are saying is true, but to say the jewish or zionist lobby is driving the power structure in washington is, i feel, again respectfully, a bit naive and short sighted. (edit: i dont mean to water down or make you post/opinion seem unsincere or not important or make it seem like im not listening or taking it seriously, cause i am:) cool? cool i hope)
but i do appeciate youre time on this thread and stating your opinions and having a discussion about them. cheers!
[ December 09, 2002, 10:41 PM: Message edited by: jamesd ]
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jamesd
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cool mark, yeah for sure. that was the essence of this thread i think..
thanks for hanging in there with us! ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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7-Methoxy-B-Carboline
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racem,
naw suh,
ah ain't hurd bout no racem.
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Cheddar
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Well I tip my Winter hat as well, cause the "ugly" potential for the thread was very high.
You are correct, I really believe that Zionism has a master (so to agree with you this is very large)..that transluscent group of money holders..yet I believe my points and arguments are a viewed as a bit far fetched already.
For some resaon I see our policy makers having motives which really dont consider the average joes.
Furthermore..It is really time to secure OUR region, and step back from allies involved in conflicts rooted in religon.
Holler...
In a jovial mood today so I am gonna let this rest.
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mhd
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final thought: I don't see a material difference in marbll and cheddi's positions. Stylistically - very different but in substance identical, peace,
As i write this i realize that style is extremely important in such discussions, clarity is key, because if i can't grasp what you are saying we are not communicating - leading to conflict
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der geile hund
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Originally posted by 1343:
You are correct, I really believe that Zionism has a master (so to agree with you this is very large)..that transluscent group of money holders..
Here is where I think the debate gets interesting. Are you talking a master like a like-minded network of individuals, i.e. the think tanks and reactionary millionaires and talk-show hosts who set the agenda for the Republican Party, or do you really mean a secret council in robes and whatnot?
Because this is what pisses me off about all the conspiracy talk: when you start talking about Masons or Elders of Zion, I think you end up ignoring the very open, perfectly legal, and very effective things the Republican Party and the Jewish lobby have done over the past few decades to advance their agenda: use money but also things like write-in campaigns to influence politics; fund right-wing think tanks to counter the liberal universities; undermine the credibility of the media while developing alternatives (i.e., the Weekly Standard, Washington Times, etc.).
I believe that these are loose confederations of people who have achieved influence far beyond their actual numbers by working the system, working it hard, staying united/on message, and being patient - the radical right has been working towards George W. Bush for decades. This is a model that people on the left need to learn from, while not getting distracted by conspiracy theories and race baiting.
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jamesd
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Originally posted by mhd:
final thought: I don't see a material difference in marbll and cheddi's positions. Stylistically - very different but in substance identical, peace,
i guess we differ here, but it cool to agree to disagree.
I feel the difference, unless i miss read, was that marbll mearly stated a fact...whilst he didnt go onto to make a conclusion based on that fact, he left it open for the reader to decide or draw their own conclusions...so if you think a certain way, you could look at his post and sorta finish out his thought with your own opinon...a sublte difference to what i beleive cheddi was doin, were he was stating a fact, but then using that as a way to justify an opinon he held on a certain subject.
that how i see the differnce anyways. but no need to "debate" it..haha i think we'll bore everyone to tears with this thread, if we havent already..haha
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martino
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der guile:
The problem is that "conspiracy theorists" get a bad rap cause regular ppl automatically assume that theyre talking about ppl in robes and sacrifices and all that. While there may or may not be truth to those things, there's a basic truth in the world we live. That being that most of the wealth (power) is held by an extremely small amount of ppl. USAToday did a story last week about how many board members of the 20 biggest corporations share seats in more than one of those biggest 20 corporations. (meaning its all the same group of ppl running the economic show). Is it that unrealistic to think that if me and my friends hold 80% of the wealth of the world, that we wouldnt "Conspire" to try and maintain our wealth?
This doesnt involve drinking blood, but it does involve backroom deals, shady practices, influence peddling, corruption etc. That is basic human nature.
ronnyc: glad to see you know about the evangelical "armaggedon lobby".
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der geile hund
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Originally posted by martino:
der guile:
The problem is that "conspiracy theorists" get a bad rap cause regular ppl automatically assume that theyre talking about ppl in robes and sacrifices and all that. While there may or may not be truth to those things, there's a basic truth in the world we live. That being that most of the wealth (power) is held by an extremely small amount of ppl. USAToday did a story last week about how many board members of the 20 biggest corporations share seats in more than one of those biggest 20 corporations. (meaning its all the same group of ppl running the economic show). Is it that unrealistic to think that if me and my friends hold 80% of the wealth of the world, that we wouldnt "Conspire" to try and maintain our wealth?
No, I think that's exactly what's happening, but my point is that a lot of the really momentous stuff is being done right out in the open, and also that these people aren't monolithic - Middle East policy is so fucked up because it's this weird convergence of the Israeli, Christian, and big business lobbies.
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jamesd
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right..exactly.
thats what im trying to say, basically: there are a group of people who are corrupt, powerful and geedy for more power (no matter what the consiquences to the rest of the country) to protect their own interests....and yes, some of them happen to be infact jewish.
But being jewish (or an ideology aligned with the jewish race), or any other other race for that matter, isnt a predispostion to having these types of tendancies...ie: theyre jewish, therefore they are corrupt.
Corruption and the desire for power and influence over the world are basic human traits, that unfortunatley affect and transcend all races.
dont worry, ill just keep repeating myself for the next 5 pages or so of this thread, youll all get used to it. its all good!
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YUJI-SAN
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Originally posted by JAMIE 3:26:
For those who dont like to takle part in discussions and are offened by what they read/and or see....you do not have to read it.You brining the drama into ya own life,not the DHP.You can hit the ignore button.
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mhd
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Originally posted by jamesd:
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Originally posted by mhd:
final thought: I don't see a material difference in marbll and cheddi's positions. Stylistically - very different but in substance identical, peace,
i guess we differ here, but it cool to agree to disagree.
I feel the difference, unless i miss read, was that marbll mearly stated a fact...whilst he didnt go onto to make a conclusion based on that fact, he left it open for the reader to decide or draw their own conclusions...so if you think a certain way, you could look at his post and sorta finish out his thought with your own opinon...a sublte difference to what i beleive cheddi was doin, were he was stating a fact, but then using that as a way to justify an opinon he held on a certain subject.
that how i see the differnce anyways. but no need to "debate" it..haha i think we'll bore everyone to tears with this thread, if we havent already..haha
totally agree!!
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mhd
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Originally posted by jamesd:
right..exactly.
thats what im trying to say, basically: there are a group of people who are corrupt, powerful and geedy for more power (no matter what the consiquences to the rest of the country) to protect their own interests....and yes, some of them happen to be infact jewish.
But being jewish (or an ideology aligned with the jewish race), or any other other race for that matter, isnt a predispostion to having these types of tendancies...ie: theyre jewish, therefore they are corrupt.
Corruption and the desire for power and influence over the world are basic human traits, that unfortunatley affect and transcend all races.
dont worry, ill just keep repeating myself for the next 5 pages or so of this thread, youll all get used to it. its all good!
totally agree, and i could be wrong, but this is what cheddi has been saying all along
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