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Rudy Jordan
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I'm not usually big on boycotts but this is indeed an example of the double standard that exists in the media. Forwarded e-mail from my wife:
This is what I read about a Pepsi boycott.
Hip-Hop's coming out in full force to boycott Pepsi. Russell Simmons and
his Hip-Hop Summit reportedly plan to announce plans during this weekends
all Star game that they are boycotting Pepsi. Simmons told AllHip-Hop.com
"We are going to show Pepsi and cooperate America just how powerful we
are." Russell and other heavyweights in the hip-hop community are accusing
Pepsi of having a double standard after they dropped rapper Ludacris last
year when Bill O'Reilly blasted them for using the rapper in their ads but
used the "...equally, if not more profane Osbournes, who debuted a new
Pepsi Twist commercial during this year's Superbowl." Simmons says, "This
isn't about the Osbournes, but that the situation makes it more pertinent.
What Pepsi did has affected other deals and other rappers. We intent to
flex our muscle." As reported on AllHipHop.com, "O'Reilly branded Pepsi as
"immoral" for using Ludacris to promote the soft drink and urged viewers to
boycott Pepsi. Over 3,000 people called in and pressured Pepsi to drop
Ludacris. Pepsi claimed the nature of his lyrics were not appropriate for
their younger viewers."
It's a good thing I love RC.
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f0reverneverm0re
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this is another thing to consider "building a strong black community"--what to buy and what not to buy. i say buy nothing but i'm an idiot so...
what if blacks (in general) said "screw Peepi, i'm going to drink more water"?
how easy is it to figure out which corporations love you and which hate?
i'm reminded of one of my fav Public Enemy jams, Shut Em Down where Chuck provides a key observation that certain people are spendin' money to no end/lookin' for a friend!. could this be certain blacks?...
me, i have no problem w/ a boycott of any product because i know i don't *need* that crap.
for the Christians, think Jews in the wilderness for 40 years and boycotting should be a piece of cake. if Calvin Butts can steamroll CDs he can stop drinking Peepi. to wit, if the black Christians put their backs into a boycott campaign people will definitely take notice, IMO.
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HML
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99.9% of Ludacris's lyrics are not suitable for young ears! Irresponsible, neglectful parenting allows enough young kids access to stuff they shouldn't be hearing...(ie most hip-hop/rap songs)! I don't think Pepsico did anything wrong! Don't they have the right to choose who they want to front their product?!? So now I'm supposed to stop drinking Pepsi products because they don't want "Lucrative" representing them!!! ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif) I'm supposed to be "up in arms" because an already extremely wealthy hip-hop artist (who I'm not a fan of) lost an opportunity to add more gold to his mint?!? Well, I'm so sorry that Ludacris won't be able to buy more "bling-bling", "ice", Bentleys, Benzes, Beemers or Hummers! "Pop, fizz, glug, glug, glug..." I'ma keep on drinkin' my Pepsi.
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Rudy Jordan
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HML, I'm not making a point that Ludacris should get paid. I'm making the point that fair is fair.
I don't buy Ludacris records, I don't watch the Osbournes, and I can't stand the O'Reilly factor.
Has Bill O'Reilly started a campaign against the Osbournes promoting Pepsi? Hell no! Why? We all know why. Because he is a racist bastard, that's why. And if Pepsi can bend to his whims the way they did, then they can bend to the financial pressure that fair-minded people (not just Blacks) can place on them. Fair is fair.
If you want to continue to drink Pepsi, that's your business. I choose to boycott, because I'm tired of the one-sided pressure that the conservative media (Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, ect)places on African Americans. Fair is fair.
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DJ Timmy Richardson
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I wonder how Simmons is going to respond to the boycott of his magazine that had Lil Kim half nude in Muslim attire. Bottom line is that Ludacris calls women bitches and hoes in his records. While Ozzy Osbourne had some nasty lyrics in the PAST, his image has changed now. In the end Russell Simmons needs to address the fact that hiphop lyrics are out of hand when it comes to dissin women. How can it be that rap music started with no cursing in the records at all , to it being necessary to have nigger, bitch, ho, etc.. in your reccords. What happened to rap music like "The Message" ?
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HML
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Originally posted by f0reverneverm0re:
what does the money Ludacris might have have to do with boycotting Pepsi?
Unless I completely misunderstood this thread, African-American consumers are being asked to boycott Pepsi. Why? Because, in some people's opinion, they were unfair in their rightful decision to exercise control over who represents their product. In essence I am being asked to support a "conspiracy theory" that "Lucrative" was mistreated. That, I cannot do. I'm not in the business of helping the rich get richer, at least not consciously... Bottom line: Pepsi-Cola eradicating a multi-million dollar endorsement deal, with an already filthy rich rapper, is not a valid reason for me to boycott said company... ![[noshake]](graemlins/jpshakehead.gif)
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HML
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Originally posted by Rudy Jordan:
HML, I'm not making a point that Ludacris should get paid. I'm making the point that fair is fair.
I don't buy Ludacris records, I don't watch the Osbournes, and I can't stand the O'Reilly factor.
Has Bill O'Reilly started a campaign against the Osbournes promoting Pepsi? Hell no! Why? We all know why. Because he is a racist bastard, that's why. And if Pepsi can bend to his whims the way they did, then they can bend to the financial pressure that fair-minded people (not just Blacks) can place on them. Fair is fair.
If you want to continue to drink Pepsi, that's your business. I choose to boycott, because I'm tired of the one-sided pressure that the conservative media (Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, ect)places on African Americans. Fair is fair.
I hear you Rudy J. You make some valid points. I'm glad you can see where I'm coming from. I really could care less about wealthy celebs losing endorsement deals...
I can't agree with you that Bill O'Reilly is racist. I'd need a lot more info to make such an extreme judgement. I've watched his show a time or two and I find myself concurring with his points of view... IMO O'Reilly is a mover and a shaker. Just because we don't agree with his agenda doesn't mean he's a closet bigot. I'd be willing to bet that it wasn't just O'Reilly's protests alone that got Ludacris canned...
Peacefully,
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david mancuso
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[ February 09, 2003, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: david mancuso ]
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david mancuso
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Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
I wonder how Simmons is going to respond to the boycott of his magazine that had Lil Kim half nude in Muslim attire. Bottom line is that Ludacris calls women bitches and hoes in his records. While Ozzy Osbourne had some nasty lyrics in the PAST, his image has changed now. In the end Russell Simmons needs to address the fact that hiphop lyrics are out of hand when it comes to dissin women. How can it be that rap music started with no cursing in the records at all , to it being necessary to have nigger, bitch, ho, etc.. in your reccords. What happened to rap music like "The Message" ?
Amen to that Timmy!
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RUDY:
re: Bill O'Riley......Imagine, he was a school teacher! I can see him now teaching his class, "what to think," rather than "how to think."
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david mancuso
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with you on this timmy, preach the true.
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HML
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f0rever, I checked out the link in your post. I disagree with the point that's attempting to be made. Everytime I've watched the O'Reilly Factor equal time has been given to all sides of the issue being discussed. Many times I've seen Bill O'Reilly give the last word to the guest with the opposing viewpoint... It also speaks volumes for the man's integrity, and sense of fairplay, that he airs email from BOTH his supporters and his detractors... That little "movie" clip picked out one instance where BO censored a guest. Insight on the context of what really happened was conveniently left out. I call that a "cheap shot"... ![[nono]](graemlins/nono.gif)
-HML
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JoeB
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keep it coming, hml.
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mblack
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same here.
but personally i prefere the real coke(cola) i hate the taste of pepsi. and i think that if they boycot pepsi , pepsi's sales will rise!(just like the rappers use "bad publicity it good publisity" so can pepsi!) M.
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mhd
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hml, how do you like rush limbaugh?
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david mancuso
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Originally posted by mhd:
hml, how do you like rush limbaugh?
I couldn't resist and had to jump in "hear" 4 a tick to make my comment.
RL speaks only in half truths.
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david mancuso
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DJ Timmy Richardson
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Originally posted by mhd:
hml, how do you like rush limbaugh?
Typical Conservative. All these guys like Grant, Limbaugh(not a bad golfer), Hanitty, had their careers blow up by bashing the Clintons. Now they pretty much have nothing to talk about except trying to justify and unjust war.
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Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
I wonder how Simmons is going to respond to the boycott of his magazine that had Lil Kim half nude in Muslim attire. Bottom line is that Ludacris calls women bitches and hoes in his records. While Ozzy Osbourne had some nasty lyrics in the PAST, his image has changed now. In the end Russell Simmons needs to address the fact that hiphop lyrics are out of hand when it comes to dissin women. How can it be that rap music started with no cursing in the records at all , to it being necessary to have nigger, bitch, ho, etc.. in your reccords. What happened to rap music like "The Message" ?
but i passed over a Simmons interview on CNBC the other day; he says he looks up to Rockafella, Sean "P-Diddy" Combs & Master P big money makers because..they're making money (which he equates w/ business savvy).
i have never seen the Lil Kim pic you mentioned but i'm sure i would have used up 1/2 a bottle of lotion on it (sorry). some might say--just from your comment--that it was "making a social statement", who knows.
i think the best strategy to combat social ignorance (eg, when males take it upon themselves to act out in a blatantly sexist manner, like by abusing women..or talking about what they'd do if they had a 1/2 a bottle of lotion and a Lil' Kim picture) is to amplify and accentuate the "positive". the "secular" gospel movement has always been good at this and whether or not you like listening to ultra thank-you-Jesus music or The Winans, the potential effect can be seen as being at least neutral compared to music where scores of scantily clad ho--females (and males) are buffing an Escalade with their breast, butts and thighs.
it is possible to "trick" the market into pumping positive music--especially if nig--blacks start listening to positive and limitedly threatening music/sound.
imagine if blacks did start digging tech? why not, they got into "dream soul/R&B/jazz" w/ Lonnie Liston Smith and Pieces of a Dream, Tony Drake...whoever
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Originally posted by HML:
f0rever, I checked out the link in your post. I disagree with the point that's attempting to be made. Everytime I've watched the O'Reilly Factor equal time has been given to all sides of the issue being discussed. Many times I've seen Bill O'Reilly give the last word to the guest with the opposing viewpoint... It also speaks volumes for the man's integrity, and sense of fairplay, that he airs email from BOTH his supporters and his detractors... That little "movie" clip picked out one instance where BO censored a guest. Insight on the context of what really happened was conveniently left out. I call that a "cheap shot"...
-HML
Oh yeah, he's Fair alright...
http://www.poisonskin.com/oreilyfreakout.mp3
and a transcript of the exchange:
http://www.thismodernworld.com/weblog/mtarchives/week_2003_02_02.html#000180
Needless to say I have nothing but pure raw HATRED for O'reilly and his Ilk. Stand with them if you wish, but know who it is that you stand with. The man is a bully, plain and simple who's main tool is not discourse but the ability to shout down whoever disagrees with him.
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Originally posted by HML:
f0rever, I checked out the link in your post. I disagree with the point that's attempting to be made. Everytime I've watched the O'Reilly Factor equal time has been given to all sides of the issue being discussed. Many times I've seen Bill O'Reilly give the last word to the guest with the opposing viewpoint... It also speaks volumes for the man's integrity, and sense of fairplay, that he airs email from BOTH his supporters and his detractors... That little "movie" clip picked out one instance where BO censored a guest. Insight on the context of what really happened was conveniently left out. I call that a "cheap shot"...
-HML
yes, this clip can be considered "propagandistic", it wants you to understand O'Reilly in a certain light. even if you watch his show and he is on his "best behavior", listen to how he says what he says; listen to the opinions that flow from his heart than lips and try and determine if he has an agenda. take note of the "pseudo-moderates" in this case, who feign criticalness for the politically "right" but who *seem* to be slapping the "left" a little harder. there's a guy out here in Portland named Michael Savage who does this and even Rush will do this in a minor way when he states "I don't necessarily agree w/ the Republicans at times (blah³)..."
check out the Dianne Rhemes show on NPR (Sunday night i think); she usually has a split panel with both sides making the arguments..she is a "moderator" and O'Reilly may not necessarily be considered a (good) moderator in the purest sense (neutral opinion, or at least "fair").
Rhemes does chastise the "conservative" and "pseudo-moderate" panelists at times cuz they appear to be ruder than the "liberal (leaning)" ones.
i could give a shit less about politics, but i do follow it a bit, just cuz.
..and i say, if you want, boycott Pepsi if only to see what it feels like to not be a slave to a particular corporation.
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Alanda Marquette from DiscoLadyLand
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Originally posted by DJ Timmy Richardson:
I wonder how Simmons is going to respond to the boycott of his magazine that had Lil Kim half nude in Muslim attire. Bottom line is that Ludacris calls women bitches and hoes in his records. While Ozzy Osbourne had some nasty lyrics in the PAST, his image has changed now. In the end Russell Simmons needs to address the fact that hiphop lyrics are out of hand when it comes to dissin women. How can it be that rap music started with no cursing in the records at all , to it being necessary to have nigger, bitch, ho, etc.. in your reccords. What happened to rap music like "The Message" ?
Thank you Timmy! I am glad someone agree that this is not just a mere "black thing". I've stressed in the past before that I hate ghetto rap music. It has shown our youth that after all these years education and respect means nothing when you can rap, or can be half ass naked in a video dancing, as long as you can make loads of money in the process.
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Originally posted by HML:
f0rever, I checked out the link in your post. I disagree with the point that's attempting to be made. Everytime I've watched the O'Reilly Factor equal time has been given to all sides of the issue being discussed. Many times I've seen Bill O'Reilly give the last word to the guest with the opposing viewpoint... It also speaks volumes for the man's integrity, and sense of fairplay, that he airs email from BOTH his supporters and his detractors... That little "movie" clip picked out one instance where BO censored a guest. Insight on the context of what really happened was conveniently left out. I call that a "cheap shot"...
-HML
Bill O'Reilly is a dickhead. My father used to work on the show "Inside Edition" when Bill O'Reilly was the host of that show. When I find the tape my father gave me of his absolutely profane outbursts between takes and his hostility towards the staff of the show, you might change your mind. The only reason he is on the air is because he gets ratings by saying shit conservatives want to hear.
Peace,
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