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Rob.J
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Any of you Chi, NYC etc....peeps heard of Daniele Baldelli, Mozart or TBC??
Or specifically NYC...dj's called Bob and Tom...he he
Seems they were having it right off about the same time as you 76 - 84, but the otherside of the pond ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Rob.J
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Sorry its not about your favourite tv sitcom or your favourite colour.......BUT ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Tis a music site after all
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neva heard of em
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from www.djhistory.com
72 General / DJ History: Music / Re:Qs for Baldelli/Mozart on: April 21, 2004, 12:52:46 PM
Started by ladyboygrimsby, Message by ladyboygrimsby
I'm still not exactly sure of the timeline, but if you wanna know anything about this (in the UK), the person(s) to speak to is Liam or his girlfriend Louise Oldfield (Louise wrote the Afro piece in 7 two years ago whih started most British people's interest in Mozart and Baldelli). Liam's English but grew up in Italy. He knows Baldelli and Mozart. I'm off over with him and Lou tomorrow. They've given me a lot of background detail.
Basically, Bob and Tom were a pair of American chancers (a lot like loads of the Brits who spread acid house around the globe). Probably couldn't get gigs in NYC, so tried their luck elsewhere. Baia Degli Angeli was built by some Italian entrepreneur who was mates with Fiorucci and Armanci and had seen places like Studio 54 in NYC and wanted to build one in Rimini. Bob and Tom werr the residents from 1978 when it opened, but they brought in Baldelli (as Sueno says) after hearing him locally and Mozart was supposedly some 16-year-old wunderkind who was living in the club (!) and hanging out on the Beautiful People's yachts. (Mozart, incidentally, is Claudio Rispoli who made I'm Gonna Love you by Jestofunk/Double Dee - Found Love/A Little Piano - Soft House Co.) The club was supposed to have a DJ booth which was also a lift that went up and down between different floors (dunno how true this is).
This club got closed down because of problems with drugs and disorder problems (basically, thousands of kids would come and sit on the hills outside the club and listen to the music, so you'd have 4,000 inside and then the same or more outside). Baldelli moved to Cosmic Club by Lake Garda and I'm not sure where Mozart went. The halcyon period was from 1978-1982, with another couple of years when it was still happening, but after that it seems to have regressed into becoming a sort of northern soul scene of only playing Cosmic/Afro classics.
The other thing worth noting is that Baldelli and Mozart hate each other and deny that they ever played together, despite much documentary evidence to the contrary. They both had a very different appraoch to playing. Mozart did everything on the fly and improvised a lot. He also caned it. Baldelli's the opposite. He's very geeky, plans everything out, he'd even make charts of his sets and plan things out in advance. He never did drugs and is a family man. His wife, who he's still with, did the door at Cosmic.
If you want an even better explanation than this, however, I've translated an Italian site for you. I think this makes things very clear:
Before years seventy the discotheque did not exist. In "it knows them from dance" reigned music from the alive one. Subsequently, they were begun to dance discs, in alternative or like musical pause of the orchestras. Here to esordire the first goddesses-jay. They had "to put on" discs, simply one after the other...
Daniel Baldelli at least begins its career in 1969 (as "you put discs" had not been still coined the Disc-Jockey word, in Italy) to the Taboo club of Catholic, on the adriatic coast. The discs were all 45 turns of rock, funk & soul. The trade of the DJ was still all to invent, Daniel Baldelli was alone: with its fantasy, its wants of music, its technical search, the passion and the instinct, has experienced all the musical styles without having modules or models of reference.
In 1970 the music that Daniel played, could perhaps be divided in two great types: music White woman, of European origin, and Black music of origin American. He always speaks himself about 45 turns and Americans stirred themselves of European discs, that they were nearly always canzonette glad and trades them, with discs soul,
rhythm & blues and funky of artists which: Arthur Conley, Joe Tex, Wilson Pickett, James Brown, Rufus Thomas, Lyn Collins, etc. Naturally to reperire this material was not always easy. Daniel frequently went to Lugano and Paris where he succeeded in reperire import discs. An other particular one of the evenings in discotheque in years 70 was that the fast music that was danced as "shake" it came alternated from discs of a valve. The proportion was of 5 shake and 5 discs of a valve, then, with passing of the years, thirty minuteren of shake and 3 discs of a valve.
In 1977-78 it lands to the Bay of the Angels (with to an other dj, Claudius Rispoli, in Mozart art). It was the period of the disc-music and the philadelphia sound. It comes therefore noticed and engaged for being the dj resident of the COSMIC that comes inaugurated in you open them 1979. And it is here that that incredible phenomenon is born that came then called "AFRO" and more recently "COSMIC SOUND". The "africanismo "Daniel Baldelli, expressed it when it played the Bolero di Ravel overlapping it to a brano of Africa Djolé, or a piece experiences them of Steve Reich on which mixava a" Malinke song "of New Guinea, mixando the T-Connection with Moebious and Rodelius, discovering in the album Izitso the only ipnotico-tribale brano of Cat Steven, extracting Africa in the Depeche Mode playing them to 33 turns or viceversa making to become music one played voice reggae to 45 turns, mixando one score of brani Africans on one same pattern of battery electronic or playing with one batucada with Kraftwerk, using the electronic effects of a sintetizzatore for sovrapporli to brani of Miram Makeba, Jorge Kuti or still listening to the Indian melodie of Hofra Haza or Sheila Chandra with the sonorità electronic of the Sky German Record.
Armed with its plates Technics Sp-15, battery electronic Korg, sintetizzatore Yamaha, the first rudimentali samplers and the inseparable equalizzatore Teac, Daniel Baldelli begins one experimentation total stirring entirety funky, reggae, jazz, fusion, brasil, dub, etno, tribale. All abundantly accompanied from music the electronic one and one maniacale predilezione for the "mixaggio": all this has rendered it sure indiscusso a founder...!!!
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from the same site and a chap from Italy making things clearer
hi guys,
waiting for further info, here you'll find some of the selections played by Baldelli at the yearly "Remember Baia Degli Angeli" or back in the old good days; Fabio De Luca, interviewing Baldelli in his home-made studio, tells that he was surrounded by records; "There are about 25000 records" says Baldelli "I've already filed 18000 of them, the rest will take some time yet".
And among them you'll find The Equals, Jackie Moore, Rufus Thomas, People's Choice, Etta James, Arthur Conley, Atomic Rooster, The Stooges, Rolling Stones, Midnight Movers Unlimited...
Baldelli, recalling the two years residency at Baia Degli Angeli, remember that each night ended up the set with the Ravel's"Bolero" (the original, which lasts 18 minutes) and, while this wonderful classic piece spread on the wild people, he threw over some efx from Pink Floyd stuff, the Jean Luc Ponty violin, the Goblin...
After “Baia Degli Angeli”, Baldelli went to “Cosmic” at Lazise (1979), a lakeside town near Verona; here he imposed his particular style, as playing the 45 rpm “Enola Gay” at 33 or some stuff of the Sky german label at 45, or some instrumental work by Simple Minds with overlayered the percussions of Trilok Gurtu.
At Cosmic, music spanned from Mike Oldfield to Jorge Ben or Fela Kuti and Osibisa. This was the eclectic and ultra-crossoverized style that later exploded along all the Italian East Coast (and also in Austria and Germany) under the moniker “Afro”.
And now? Well, the last "Remember Baia Degli Angeli" was opened by Baldelli with the “Close Encounters of the 3rd type” soundtrack followed by a track of Idris Muhammad from the album “Turn This Mutha Out” and then a sparkling voice endlessly repeating ‘don’t stop the music’, with a so elctronic funky base that looks like a techno track.
And then classics like “Dance a Little Bit Closer “-Charo & the Salsoul Orchestra, a tune called “Do the Bus Stop, Doctor Love”, a disco remake of the MASH theme, “Suicide Is Painless”...
If you like to know more, read the full interview in the book “Mamma, mamma, voglio fare il DJ” by Fabio De Luca.
Ah, Bill: I’ve checked out but there’s no e-mail address on the book; as Fabio De Luca, together with Luca De Gennaro, hosts a radio show called “Week-end dance” on the italian national Radio 1, he has also worked up the Net version of it at www.weekendance.it, but, at the moment, is still in progress; if I’ll find some useful link, I’ll post it immediately.
Ciao!
Fabio
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sounds like a great party!
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I've found mixes from that period in Italy from the clubs mentioned and they are as good as there american counerparts at that time....
go seek
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Right on.
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I read somewhere that 4000 kids would wait outside the club for as long as it took until they actually saw Mozart go inside. They were only there to hear the DJ.
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that's a nice chunk of history there... props Rob.J!
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Cosmic:
Check it, he's mixing on a PA mixer with the channel faders taped together for stereo.
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Fantastic thread this. I remember when people were still talking about Rimini as been an important place and popping off for holidays as an alternative to Ibiza. Is it still going on there?
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Originally posted by Mah'chew:
Love this..
Is this pic from the link above? since i have got the net on my mac i cant seem to open links and stream stuff, boo hoo. The pics are great though
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Thanks for the post Rob J. I was looking through an old bin of records last week and I found Moz-Art presents Mysterious Traveller: decontaminated samba. If not for your post I would have over looked this, it is really nice! ![[respect]](graemlins/respekt.gif)
The date is 2003, is this new? or something old that was re-issued.
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claudio "moz art" rispoli also did/does jestofunk
the mix in my signature has some cosmic classics in it..
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He did also Soft House Company as far as I know...
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He did also Soft House Company as far as I know...
Peace.
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A Garage classic - thanks for joining the global dots in a world of "which came first NYC or CHI?"
DHP homework for everyone - starting with this thread
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Very interesting read indeed!
Is there still any club nowadays in Italy where we can feel this(Cosmic)legacy?
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alex posted some info, and a mix by Baldelli on the 313list a couple of months ago, i'll see if i can find those. [or you could provide us with the info yourself mr. bond, you old dhp-lurker ![[Smile]](smile.gif) ]
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