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Tim Martinez
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God's eye is not really blue. This is a contact lens to make it appear blue. Everyone knows that God has hazel eyes...sheeesh!
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MYOR
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Originally posted by Tim Martinez:
God's eye is not really blue. This is a contact lens to make it appear blue. Everyone knows that God has hazel eyes...sheeesh!
Hello I already stated God was a Changeling therefore his eyes could be any color s/he or it wants..
Hello McFlyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
So Shalewa can tell that someone at NASA has internalized a white male anthropomorphic conception of God just by the name s/he gives to a picture of something that looks like a big eye in space, and Soleful Danzer can tell that I don't acknowledge some seemingly trivial fact about religious fanatics, just by my making a completely unrelated point. Amazing!
What's amazing is that the main point in this thread is about the subtleties of how images and names are "enhanced" then cast in the vein of the people who are naming these images and their interpretations of how they view these images...
but to you it's about some friggin scientist at NASA...
what's even more amazing is your use of the word "trivial".
Religion make people talk some proper shit, IMHO
Fucking eye of God picture and people chatting pure fart about the colour of it like they themslves known whatb the cunt looks like and what fucking colour gods eye actually is, carry on freaks.
This thread is alot deeper than just religion! I'm not Tony Mundaca so don't even go there. Aren't you an atheist so why do you give a fuck anyway.
Where the fuck did I say I knew what God looked like or her/his eye fucking color.
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
So Shalewa can tell that someone at NASA has internalized a white male anthropomorphic conception of God just by the name s/he gives to a picture of something that looks like a big eye in space, and Soleful Danzer can tell that I don't acknowledge some seemingly trivial fact about religious fanatics, just by my making a completely unrelated point. Amazing!
Amazing indeed.
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that, but tinting an image to make it resemble a blue eye above others is outside of reason
It is not Nasa that is circulating this image as the 'Eye of God.' That appellation is a title coined by an admirer of the photo because of it's resemblance to a human eye. What we do know is that the the Helix Nebula does not naturally appear with the colors shown above
We'll never know whether the original colors would've inspired the same sort of reverence. But I would guess not.
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Tim Martinez
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Originally posted by MYOR:
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Originally posted by Tim Martinez:
God's eye is not really blue. This is a contact lens to make it appear blue. Everyone knows that God has hazel eyes...sheeesh!
Hello I already stated God was a Changeling therefore his eyes could be any color s/he or it wants..
Hello McFlyyyyyyyyyyyyy
MYOR,
You are soooooo wrong here. God is only a 1/4 Changeling. The hazel eyes are from the mom's side of the family. Get it right.
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Monny JcIntosh
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Originally posted by Soleful Danzer:
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
So Shalewa can tell that someone at NASA has internalized a white male anthropomorphic conception of God just by the name s/he gives to a picture of something that looks like a big eye in space, and Soleful Danzer can tell that I don't acknowledge some seemingly trivial fact about religious fanatics, just by my making a completely unrelated point. Amazing!
What's amazing is that the main point in this thread is about the subtleties of how images and names are "enhanced" then cast in the vein of the people who are naming these images and their interpretations of how they view these images...
but to you it's about some friggin scientist at NASA...
what's even more amazing is your use of the word "trivial".
The main point of the thread is by the by. I was trying to understand whether Shalewa was saying something as ludicrous as it seemed she was saying.
Trivial fact: there are religious fanatics that think that God is a white male in the sky.
I can understand the metaphorical use of the title 'God's eye' just fine without having to 'internalize' any such view. So I'm not sure what other than the trivial fact you want me to acknowledge.
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Monny JcIntosh
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
So Shalewa can tell that someone at NASA has internalized a white male anthropomorphic conception of God just by the name s/he gives to a picture of something that looks like a big eye in space, and Soleful Danzer can tell that I don't acknowledge some seemingly trivial fact about religious fanatics, just by my making a completely unrelated point. Amazing!
Amazing indeed.
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that, but tinting an image to make it resemble a blue eye above others is outside of reason
It is not Nasa that is circulating this image as the 'Eye of God.' That appellation is a title coined by an admirer of the photo because of it's resemblance to a human eye. What we do know is that the the Helix Nebula does not naturally appear with the colors shown above
We'll never know whether the original colors would've inspired the same sort of reverence. But I would guess not.
Shalewa stated that the image was *not* enhanced to make it resemble a blue eye, but rather to render invisible wavelengths, and yet still inferred that the person who came up with the title had internalized the white male conception. Given the first statement, that's an invalid inference. (Which is not to say that it's not true.)
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Monny JcIntosh
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I call this one 'The Human Eye'. What must I have internalized in order to do so?
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jimmymack-2000
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
So Shalewa can tell that someone at NASA has internalized a white male anthropomorphic conception of God just by the name s/he gives to a picture of something that looks like a big eye in space, and Soleful Danzer can tell that I don't acknowledge some seemingly trivial fact about religious fanatics, just by my making a completely unrelated point. Amazing!
Amazing indeed.
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that, but tinting an image to make it resemble a blue eye above others is outside of reason
It is not Nasa that is circulating this image as the 'Eye of God.' That appellation is a title coined by an admirer of the photo because of it's resemblance to a human eye. What we do know is that the the Helix Nebula does not naturally appear with the colors shown above
We'll never know whether the original colors would've inspired the same sort of reverence. But I would guess not.
I woulda named them shits "The Eye of Sauron" or some shit
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Chris Conrad
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nasa images are routinely filtered or color enhanced because often times what you 'see' is actually invisible to the human eye or very faint...as to calling it god's eye or what not, that's a whole different argument...
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MYOR
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nasa images are routinely filtered or color enhanced because often times what you 'see' is actually invisible to the human eye or very faint...as to calling it god's eye or what not, that's a whole different argument...
I can see you didn't read the rest of the replies.. ![[Cool]](icon_rofl.gif)
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MEP
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
What must I have internalized in order to do so?
That herpes looks like an eye. ![[Idontknow]](graemlins/conf44.gif)
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MEP
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that...
Holy Shit! Inkblots?
Find a new psychiatrist ASAP!
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Soleful
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
So Shalewa can tell that someone at NASA has internalized a white male anthropomorphic conception of God just by the name s/he gives to a picture of something that looks like a big eye in space, and Soleful Danzer can tell that I don't acknowledge some seemingly trivial fact about religious fanatics, just by my making a completely unrelated point. Amazing!
Amazing indeed.
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that, but tinting an image to make it resemble a blue eye above others is outside of reason
It is not Nasa that is circulating this image as the 'Eye of God.' That appellation is a title coined by an admirer of the photo because of it's resemblance to a human eye. What we do know is that the the Helix Nebula does not naturally appear with the colors shown above
We'll never know whether the original colors would've inspired the same sort of reverence. But I would guess not.
Shalewa stated that the image was *not* enhanced to make it resemble a blue eye, but rather to render invisible wavelengths, and yet still inferred that the person who came up with the title had internalized the white male conception. Given the first statement, that's an invalid inference. (Which is not to say that it's not true.)
The words you use are way above my pay grade but...
Shalewa did not state what you say she did. The scientist on the radio show did.
What brought all this home for me is what she said here:
"I would guess the color alteration here is for similar effect and that whover named the image is clueless to why the title is culturally tone deaf (no pun intended)."
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Brut by Faberge
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Originally posted by MEP:
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that...
Holy Shit! Inkblots?
Find a new psychiatrist ASAP!
What were they called? Rorsach tests or somethin?
What do you guys use to draw out hidden psychological themes these days?
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MYOR
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I had a rare opportunity to hang out with the artist/musician/geniuis Laurie Anderson last year. She had recenlty wrapped up an artist in residency at NASA. Being a visual artist herself, she told me that she was particularly interested in the way NASA artists colored the images form the Hubble telescope.
The colors you see in those images are very very subjective interpretations by NASA artists, and the true color of these celestial bodies is much more likely to be a lot less colorful to the human eye.
Mrs. Anderson spent months trying to track down the people within NASA who actually made the decisions on coloring photos. She felt that the "Disney pallette" they were using was dangerously optimistic and reinforced the human need for the heavens to be beautiful and godlike.
When she finally spoke to the artists in question, there only response as to why they chose such bright happy colors was that "the public likes it". She asked them if they would ever choose a different pallette, such as reds and greys, for instance. Their response was "That might look like a vision of Hell. Nobody wants to see that".
This makes sense..
We do associate colore with things and moods.
I guess if they used grey it would have been the eye of satan..
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Originally posted by D J 1 3 8:
I had a rare opportunity to hang out with the artist/musician/geniuis Laurie Anderson last year. She had recenlty wrapped up an artist in residency at NASA. Being a visual artist herself, she told me that she was particularly interested in the way NASA artists colored the images form the Hubble telescope.
The colors you see in those images are very very subjective interpretations by NASA artists, and the true color of these celestial bodies is much more likely to be a lot less colorful to the human eye.
Mrs. Anderson spent months trying to track down the people within NASA who actually made the decisions on coloring photos. She felt that the "Disney pallette" they were using was dangerously optimistic and reinforced the human need for the heavens to be beautiful and godlike.
When she finally spoke to the artists in question, there only response as to why they chose such bright happy colors was that "the public likes it". She asked them if they would ever choose a different pallette, such as reds and greys, for instance. Their response was "That might look like a vision of Hell. Nobody wants to see that".
Off topic: It's very cool that you got to hang out with Laurie Anderson.
At the same time, it is disappointing to find out that those images have been doctored to be different, "Optimistic" colors.
It kind of bums me out. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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ProvocativeElement
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Originally posted by Juana:
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Originally posted by MEP:
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that...
Holy Shit! Inkblots?
Find a new psychiatrist ASAP!
What were they called? Rorsach tests or somethin?
What do you guys use to draw out hidden psychological themes these days?
ok, ok . . . no inkblots
take this test . . .
Sit down with pencil and paper. Close your eyes, and imagine what heaven looks like. Draw what you imagine.
Most people draw clouds, tall golden gates, androgynous beings in white robes and halos.
Again, sit down with pencil and paper. Close your eyes, and imagine what Africa looks like. Draw what you imagine.
most people draw a sun in a cloudless sky, a hut maybe and animal or two, maybe a fire on the ground, coupla people in loin cloths . . .
Where do these images come from? How do we get these perceptions? People gesturing while refering to God generally point at the sky (as opposed to their hearts or forehead - that's where I point)
I'm asking why? Where do we get these images from? Where do we get our symbolism?
I've seen this image several times, always forwarded to me by other people of African descent. That's really my problem with this whole thing. Like I said in my original thread, It is pathological for people of African descent (or any non European descent) to view God as an image that does not reflect themselves.
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Soleful
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Originally posted by MEP:
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
What must I have internalized in order to do so?
That herpes looks like an eye.
![[rofl5]](graemlins/rofl5.gif) Thank You!
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Monny JcIntosh
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Originally posted by Soleful Danzer:
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Originally posted by MEP:
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
What must I have internalized in order to do so?
That herpes looks like an eye.
Thank You!
Did you have to "internalize" anything about blue eyes belonging to white (males!?) to see that it looks like an eye?
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Monny JcIntosh
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
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Originally posted by Juana:
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Originally posted by MEP:
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that...
Holy Shit! Inkblots?
Find a new psychiatrist ASAP!
What were they called? Rorsach tests or somethin?
What do you guys use to draw out hidden psychological themes these days?
ok, ok . . . no inkblots
take this test . . .
Sit down with pencil and paper. Close your eyes, and imagine what heaven looks like. Draw what you imagine.
Most people draw clouds, tall golden gates, androgynous beings in white robes and halos.
Again, sit down with pencil and paper. Close your eyes, and imagine what Africa looks like. Draw what you imagine.
most people draw a sun in a cloudless sky, a hut maybe and animal or two, maybe a fire on the ground, coupla people in loin cloths . . .
Where do these images come from? How do we get these perceptions? People gesturing while refering to God generally point at the sky (as opposed to their hearts or forehead - that's where I point)
I'm asking why? Where do we get these images from? Where do we get our symbolism?
I've seen this image several times, always forwarded to me by other people of African descent. That's really my problem with this whole thing. Like I said in my original thread, It is pathological for people of African descent (or any non European descent) to view God as an image that does not reflect themselves.
This isn't a case in which someone's been asked to draw a picture of God. I don't view God as a white male in the sky, and yet I can perfectly well understand the point of calling the image 'God's eye'. It's something that looks like an eye, in space, which is where anthropomorphic God is widely represented as living - I get the reference, and that's all I need to do. His/her/its colour and sex of God needn't come into it. In much the same way, I can read metaphysical poetry and sometimes get the metaphors. I don't need to conceptualize a lover as a flea, or whatever, to understand someone's drawing the comparison.
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
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Originally posted by Soleful Danzer:
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Originally posted by MEP:
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Originally posted by Jonny McIntosh:
What must I have internalized in order to do so?
That herpes looks like an eye.
Thank You!
Did you have to "internalize" anything about blue eyes belonging to white (males!?) to see that it looks like an eye?
No. I only said eye because you entitled it "The Human Eye." I wasn't even thinking color, I immediately saw the shape.
This ironically ties into my comment about the Rorschach (?sp too lazy to look it up). Actually, if you asked me to "freely associate" I would have said it looks like a PET scan of a the AP view of a breast. Does that make me a sexual deviant? Perhaps in the absence of any other information it does but I am a female scientist who just recently had a breast scan.
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ya.. and Jesus was a tall white european..
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MYOR
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ya.. and Jesus was a tall white european..
He was a Midget.. opps Little Person..
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Originally posted by Juana:
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Originally posted by MEP:
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Originally posted by ProvocativeElement:
So if a psychiatrist uses inkblots to test our state of mind, to determine how we percieve ambiguous images, we can accept that...
Holy Shit! Inkblots?
Find a new psychiatrist ASAP!
What were they called? Rorsach tests or somethin?
What do you guys use to draw out hidden psychological themes these days?
Rorschach (I looked it up for you Juana ![[Smile]](smile.gif) )
I'm not a "draw out hidden pschological themes" kinda girl. I'm sure they have some value in today's psychiatry/psychology age but I think historically they were used to determine "psychosis." A very comprehensive medical and psychiatric evaluation and assessment can do that (I follow best medical and psychiatric standards of practice. This comes from results of randomized controlled trials).
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